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View Poll Results: What is the bar of success for Superman/ Batman at the WW box office? | |||
$600- 699 M (The level at which a $200 M film profits) |
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2 | 2.41% |
$700-799 M |
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6 | 7.23% |
$800-899 M |
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13 | 15.66% |
$900-999 M |
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8 | 9.64% |
Over $1 Billion |
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28 | 33.73% |
Bigger Than The Dark Knight Rises (Highest grossing DC film) |
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12 | 14.46% |
Bigger Than The Avengers (Biggest Superhero movie ever) |
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13 | 15.66% |
Bigger Than Titanic (#2 film ever) |
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1 | 1.20% |
Bigger Than Avatar (#1 film ever) |
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0 | 0% |
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He's probably right about the impact of reviews, but I don't like how that works at all. I think these reviewers are given too much power.
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It is somewhat an issue, given that a spoken percentage of critics often have a prejudiced view against big budget Superhero films.
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Exactly...I really believe IM got the reviews it did because RDJ. Not that he wasn't awesome, but I don't think any critic would have given kudos to another actor turning in that same performance if it wasn't a critical darling like RDJ.
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Lots and lots of monies.
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It would suggest that a large part of B v. S's reviews will hinge on Affleck's performance. |
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This is a movie that may very well make over $200million domestically (a la The Avengers) in its opening weekend alone. The thing hasn't started filming yet so we haven't seen even a hint of the immense buzz that's going to build over the next year and a half. Honestly, if Iron Man 3 could have the box office run that it had, I pretty much have little doubt that Superman/Batman (also featuring Wonder Woman) will be even bigger.
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SvB need to hit at least 800 m.
Justice League needs to surpass TDKR.
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Yes, Iron Man would've had a different outcome sans RDJ. Though you can take any film, remove a major component, and come to the same conclusion. |
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Why would you even compare IM3's success to BvS's potential? The reason it did as well as it did is because of RDJ's immense popularity, the growing popularity of the IM character, wit, humour, and sarcasm in dialogue. BvS doesn't come close seeing as how little we know about the film. |
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If it gets similar reviews to MOS then yes I see it only doing 700-800m. It would likely do 800-900 if it came out in a year where it wasn't up against Avengers 2, Jurassic World, Independence Day 2, a Terminator reboot and Ant-Man. If it's a smash hit and the critics rave about Affleck and whoever plays Luthor's performances then it's definitely got a good shot at a billion. You have to remember that Avengers received overwhelmingly positive reviews, so did Nolan's Batman films. |
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They obviously like Ben a lot too...so I'm hoping he wins them over regardless of the rest of the films faults. ![]() |
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Look at MOS. Broke the June record (which many thought would be impossible for a reboot) and truly was set to crush all other reboots at the box office. But the film itself ended up polarizing critics AND audiences alike. Dropped to the third slot the following week, and was out of the top 5 two week after that. The result was it "only" made just under 700 million. Since BvS is already following up a divisive film, it does not have the advantage of a first film breaking out the gate. It will be carrying the baggage of MOS. More than anything Snyder and Goyer need this film to be received well. Pre-release reviews have become increasingly important and has shown to exponentially amplify box office results. Avatar and Avengers being standout examples. Should BvS miraculously pull in a 80-90% Tomatometer, it easily cements itself as either the #1 or #2 box office smash of the year. The Batman/Superman hype alone will carry this film to astronomical levels as great word of mouth increases. Anything short of that however, and I genuinely see this "struggling" for that 1 billion mark. |
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This is probably for another thread, but quick question if you don't mind me asking. I'm not a movie buff per se. I like what I like, but I spend a lot of time analyzing movies. What about Affleck as a screenwriter makes him an ideal person to look it over? I'm asking more about his qualities. I just keep hearing a lot of people saying that.
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Many said Amazing Spider-Man was going to bomb because no one wanted a reboot. It didn't perform as well as the previous installment, but still did well. 25% drop domestic, 10% drop foreign. My thought process is that the whole "Christopher Nolan" whining and ranting will only extend to these shores, and that half of the fans that would have left due to a reboot, will stick around due to curiosity over the two most famous Superheroes of all time finally duking it out, and teaming together. I see this doing roughly $400 M domestic, or about a 10% drop from The Dark Knight Rises. Foreign box-office is a different story. This is the sort of movie foreign audiences eat up. Giant, bombastic, 3-D, with two icons (one of whom, is the only eponymous film character to have 2 $1 B movies.) I'm saying the absolute floor for this is $600 M foreign. Calling this a Man of Steel II is incredibly reductive, when a Super Hero more popular than Superman is co-starring. That's why the Dark Knight/ DKR's performances matter to this film. Quote:
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Two years ago, there were people arguing The Avengers would only be marginally more successful than Iron Man 2. We saw how those predictions went; Avengers outgrossed Iron Man by nearly 900 Million. I'm arguing that the presence of Batman will add at least $350 to the box office. I don't think that's unreasonable. |
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![]() As for the BO, I do think you're right. I would say 800 million with decent reviews and a higher number with better ones. It should be interesting. |
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There's also the matter of whether or not Affleck would be allowed to officially give notes or rewrites as that would actually constitute breaking union rules for the WGA.
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I'm going to quote this in the Affleck thread because I'm curious.
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All that being said, this is def similar to the avengers paradigm where cynics or even realists simply didn't account for the power of zeitgeist and predicted numbers begetting the typical marvel ilk of that time (IM2) was their biggest going in.. Pretty sure we're going to see a similar phenomena take place here, with a controller being quality. I also think the producers probably have alot better footing given all the feed back both interms of audience and even the approach of vfx and such. Lastly, had SR not come out...and MOS was the first since Donner, things might have gone down a bit differently. Same with ASM, Begins even. Reboots are hard to extrapolate from. I personally find Days of Future past to be the hardest film to predict for.
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Spider-Man is popular anyways, so any minority that said that ASM reboot wasn't going to do well was out of their minds. And if I recall, Andrew Garfield was well-received, so that also helps. Maybe I'm a bit cynical, but I see this in at least 300M domestic, I'd need to see something for me to either increase or decrease my prediction. I'm also unsure that this is going to be the $400mil domestic kind of movie as we've yet to see anything other than the two iconic characters. How is calling this movie MOSII reductive? Just because Batman is in the film, it doesn't mean that Superman's story arc is irrelevant. I stand by calling this a Man of Steel sequel because of the following comment by Goyer: Quote:
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Take the average of an MOS sequel and a Batman reboot.
That's what BvS will make. It's not a Justice League movie.
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