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Old 01-04-2014, 03:20 PM   #301
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I think synder has a super difficult job to plead both superman n batman fans. He can't even plead the superman fans alone.
In some ways, though Batman fans are MUCH easier to please.

Give him the costume, don't have him kill, preferably make him a detective/good fighter, and that's pretty much it

Superman can't fight in urban areas (resulting in inevitable chaos), make mistakes, or even ACT SERIOUS without being criticized.

Batman has so much more leeway.

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Old 01-04-2014, 03:22 PM   #302
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Maybe Lex is just that good?

So you're saying they shouldn't fight? Or that you're in favor of something like mind control?
Lex is good, sure. But, I highly doubt he could come up with something good enough to convince Batman that Superman is a villain.

I don't want them to fight and if they do, mind control of some sort is the only thing that makes sense without making the characters look like idiots, immature, or hot tempered to me.

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I never understood why they fought in Lex Luthor: Man of Steel. It just seemed so random to me.
I liked that, Batman was clearly testing him, its strategy. Although tbh that wasn't my point just thats the way I think the fight should go.

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Old 01-04-2014, 03:30 PM   #304
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Lex is good, sure. But, I highly doubt he could come up with something good enough to convince Batman that Superman is a villain.

I don't want them to fight and if they do, mind control of some sort is the only thing that makes sense without making the characters look like idiots, immature, or hot tempered to me.
I don't want them to look immature, either, so I agree with that.

But there has to be a way to do this without mind control. I just find that so uninteresting. Superman wouldn't even be himself. He would just be a vehicle for someone else and Batman would be fighting that someone else in that case.

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I liked that, Batman was clearly testing him, its strategy. Although tbh that wasn't my point just thats the way I think the fight should go.
How was he testing him? Did I miss something? He was just hanging out on some roof and then Superman comes out of nowhere and beats him up. It just all seemed random to me.

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I don't want them to look immature, either, so I agree with that.

But there has to be a way to do this without mind control. I just find that so uninteresting. Superman wouldn't even be himself. He would just be a vehicle for someone else and Batman would be fighting that someone else in that case.
It's the only way I see them fighting working story-wise and character-wise, unless they change who they are. Given how MOS turned out, that's possible.

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I just gonna hope that, against all odds, they've found a way to do it that isn't silly and doesn't make the characters look idiotic. Maybe the fight isn't what we think. Who knows.

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How was he testing him? Did I miss something? He was just hanging out on some roof and then Superman comes out of nowhere and beats him up. It just all seemed random to me.
Well Lex convinced Batman to fight Superman to show him what a human can do, it us kind of random I suppose but Batman wants to see what Superman can do.

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I just gonna hope that, against all odds, they've found a way to do it that isn't silly and doesn't make the characters look idiotic. Maybe the fight isn't what we think. Who knows.
Well, Avengers gave us both ways. Thor and Iron Man looked dumb for fighting and Cap had to put a stop to that. Then, we had Loki messing with their minds to have them all argue and in Cap and Iron Man's case, thinking having a physical fight will solve their argument in a good way.

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Well Lex convinced Batman to fight Superman to show him what a human can do, it us kind of random I suppose but Batman wants to see what Superman can do.
The set-up just didn't work for me. I could get Lex giving Bruce the Green K as a gift or whatever. But, Superman coming out of nowhere to beat up Batman was just a head-scratcher to me. And it took getting his ass kicked and not was Lex said, to convince Bruce to give Lex what component he was missing to make Hope. Ook.

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Well, Avengers gave us both ways. Thor and Iron Man looked dumb for fighting and Cap had to put a stop to that. Then, we had Loki messing with their minds to have them all argue and in Cap and Iron Man's case, thinking having a physical fight will solve their argument in a good way.
I hope that Batman and Superman don't come off like the Avengers did. I didn't like the character fights in Avengers at all. They seemed silly in both cases. The fights seemed so...inconsequential. There was no weight to them. They were "fun" fights that the audience could enjoy because they looked cool, provided an opportunity for a couple of quips and had no fall-out/little effect on the plot. That is exactly what I don't want in this movie. This is going to be a challenge.


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Old 01-04-2014, 04:12 PM   #311
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I didn't mind the character fights in The Avengers, except for the fact that Thor legit tried to murder both Iron Man and Cap. Especially Cap. There's no way Thor thought slamming his magic hammer down was going to result in anything other than Capsmush.

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Old 01-04-2014, 05:14 PM   #312
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I definitely don't want to see a Batman versus Superman film. I remember them from reading World's Finest Comics, and they were always best friends.

Surely there is enough plot availabilities to bring Bruce Wayne to Metropolis to help rebuild the city with the assets of Wayne Enterprises. And when there, Batman's detective skills lead him to know that Clark Kent is the secret identity of Mr. Hope.

NO FIGHT PLEASE!

ps. It would have been nice to see the Dark Knight continue with what was already established in Nolan's trilogy: Bruce being with Selena Kyle; Blake taking on a role as a major protector of Gotham; Alfred, Gordon, and Fox already established. THE MAIN PROBLEM WITH THIS is that there are way, way too many people at the end of TDKR who know that Bruce Wayne is Batman! For instance, how the men & women who put together the Tumbler didn't know immediately that this was from the Wayne stable is beyond my understanding --- and this was before Fox's bunker was taken out by Bane!


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I hope that Batman and Superman don't come off like the Avengers did. I didn't like the character fights in Avengers at all. They seemed silly in both cases. The fights seemed so...inconsequential. There was no weight to them. They were "fun" fights that the audience could enjoy because they looked cool, provided an opportunity for a couple of quips and had no fall-out/little effect on the plot. That is exactly what I don't want in this movie. This is going to be a challenge.
Well, they're pretty much usually inconsequential really.

I mean, they all stem from conversations you'd have as a kid with your friends about who would in a such fights with no real concern as to why they would fight. When really, if these characters were mature enough like any other adult, it wouldn't really get to that point. They'd only fight the bad guys. And if they really went at it, I don't think their issues would really be resolved with a fight or over the course of just one film too.

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I guess confrontation is inevitable but I'd rather the two of them disagree on principle and not resort to much in the way of fisticuffs and resolve their differences early on to realise that even though their methods are different, that they are still working towards a common goal. I can certainly see Bruce bringing up how Clark dealt with Zod and would be intrigued as to how they go about dealing with the aftermath of MOS. Is it too much to ask to just have respect for both heroes and to want them both equally treated as such on screen?

Show them both in all their glorly as the awesome (World's Finest) heroes that they are I say!

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I didn't mind the character fights in The Avengers, except for the fact that Thor legit tried to murder both Iron Man and Cap. Especially Cap. There's no way Thor thought slamming his magic hammer down was going to result in anything other than Capsmush.
I'd like one small skirmish, and then have Superman grab Batman and fly straight up, and then whoosh back down and drop him inches above the ground. Having Batman be out of breath and Superman show how silly it would be to try to fight would be satisfying.

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In a lot of ways, Superman and Batman really represent each other's contradictions.lol

I mean, it's almost like impossible to make both look great within a given fight without making one of them look bad.

Superman is one of the strongest heroes in the DC Universe and to have him fall prey to Batman due to Batman's intelligence and vast resources (kryptonite) would make him look bad.....and yet in the same time, Batman is known for completely defying the odds against stronger opponents with nothing but his will and intelligence and yet you can't have him lose to Superman without making him look bad.

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In a lot of ways, Superman and Batman really represent each other's contradictions.lol

I mean, it's almost like impossible to make both look great within a given fight without making one of them look bad.

Superman is one of the strongest heroes in the DC Universe and to have him fall prey to Batman due to Batman's intelligence and vast resources (kryptonite) would make him look bad.....and yet in the same time, Batman is known for completely defying the odds against stronger opponents with nothing but his will and intelligence and yet you can't have him lose to Superman without making him look bad.
That's why I want Batman to start with the upper hand, and maintain that upper hand for a quite while, until Superman starts giving controlled, but well-intentioned bursts of power.

Batman realizes he can't beat Superman, and Superman realizes that it's pointless to fight physically. And then it should be a verbal altercation from then on.

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No offense, but you'd be kind of foolish to think they won't fight.

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Well, Avengers gave us both ways. Thor and Iron Man looked dumb for fighting and Cap had to put a stop to that. Then, we had Loki messing with their minds to have them all argue and in Cap and Iron Man's case, thinking having a physical fight will solve their argument in a good way.
I think that suited the Avengers because the tone of the movie is different. It is campy and down right silly a lot of the time. I don't mean it was not entertaining for the most part but it was a campy and very silly movie. The tone of Man of Steel was much more serious. I seriously doubt that it would fit to have the 2 characters just fight. It would have to be done in a way that Batman has just completely lost his grip on reality and had some sort of Ironman-esq suit to even compete with Superman. And even then, all the materials he could use to make the suit could be found on Earth and if it exists on Earth, then Superman could destroy it. Even then, if there was a fight it would have to be in a much more dramatic way, it would have to be that someone that Batman loves was killed and he just lost it or something. Other than that it wouldn't make much sense in a serious movie to have that happen.

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That is the only way I could see it working, but even then that would be a little far fetched.

Otherwise, if it isnt done that way by just holding on to his "Bat" ears, he'd be stuck. He can catch a bullet in mid-air, of course he could hold on to his ears and he would be stuck like a child getting held at bay by the head. Batman would look like a turtle on his back.

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I think there are plenty of way to have Batman vs Superman without hurting either of their images at all.

Quite frankly it wouldn't be a very good movie if the alien from outer space just wipes the floor with the human from Gotham and it wouldn't be much fun if Batman got a trump card similar to that crap we saw in superman returns.

I never want another superman who is a ***** with no powers, Superman should be strong and powerful even when stripped of his powers, she should just take a damn beating and not fight back.

I think it should basically be a situation where Superman is slowly reduced of his powers forcing Bats to fight a weakened but superior foe who gradually weakens to a point in which Batman wins.

Thus keeping both fan bases happy while creating an environment in which both heroes can show respect and admiration for each other, in fact both should have their asses pretty much whipped by end with a Mortal batman standing at the end but questioning what he has done and who really benefits from what he has done.

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They have to have some kind of physical confrontation.

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Superman would obliterate Batman. I don't care what convoluted explanation they come up with but I sincerely hope they avoid doing that because no ridiculous reasoning will get me to accept that fight.
You know they have fought multiple times. Batman, certainly did not get obliterated. Just slap a kryptonite ring on him and then we'll see who gets obliterated.

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They have to have some kind of physical confrontation.
No, they don't. They can be antagonistic towards each other, which eventually evolves into a mutual respect, but a physical confrontation is not needed, and is rather clich.

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^ Though it WILL happen. I'll bet money on it

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Snyder pretty much confirmed a physical confrontation in that interview/fanboy freak-out with Kevin Smith.

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I'd prefer them to "school" one another. I don't want to see batman try and punch a man who might as well be made of the hardest substance in the galaxy. Let each hero have their moment in the sun, but don't go down the road of who can k.o. The other one quicker. Make it like a game of thumb wars with no end. Superman arriving somewhere quicker, batman bugging superman without noticing, superman in the public eye, batman allowed to operate in total darkness, it's the only way to satisfy people. If it ends without superman killing batman then it's ludicrous, and before someone rants I'm a bigger batman fanthan supes. I hope batman DOES play second fiddle, because ultimately he'll still shine regardless. It's Supes turn to be top dog on film.

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