![]() |
|
View Poll Results: What was worse? | |||
Sanctimonious,argumentative Ben Parker |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
8 | 17.02% |
Twitchy Stuttering Peter |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
12 | 25.53% |
Goomba Lizard |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
15 | 31.91% |
Peter Promise-braker |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
14 | 29.79% |
"Hilarious" misuse of powers (Subway,bathroom,ect) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
7 | 14.89% |
Skateboarding to Coldplay |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
8 | 17.02% |
Ben Dies over Chocolate Milk |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
16 | 34.04% |
Other |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
17 | 36.17% |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 47. You may not vote on this poll |
![]() |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
![]() |
#101 | ||
Side-Kick
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland
Posts: 2,664
|
![]() Quote:
Actually we do see a lot of Peter's personality despite him not saying much unless in certain specific moments(I never count skateboarding as a personality trait and more as simply a mode of transportation because as he only really shows any skill after he got his powers and was testing it out in the warehouse) He doesn't really act out or shown to be outgoing until we see him as Spider-Man or Gwen learns his true identity but I feel like we do see a fair amount of the person Peter is like and that's what makes him relatable because I was like that in a sense in a few years of middle school and when I first moved to a new high school before I found clubs/friends I could hang out with but Peter had to literally create a new identity that allows him to do more which then influences him to become more outgoing and lively as Peter Parker starting with when Gwen finds out his secret identity and then at the end of the movie after Captain Stacy got Peter to make that promise as he was dying and he heard Uncle Ben's voice message/last words. Peter is used to being a punching bag/loved to stay in the background:Look at the way he took it in stride when Flash hit him with a basketball on purpose and shrunk back when Flash pretended to be about to hit him, and look at that part where he had to squeeze past a couple blocking his locker (who completely ignored him). Everything in his body language got across that this is a guy who is used to being treated like garbage. or how everyone except Flash and Gwen seemed to avoid him after his uncle died, usually sitting in the back quietly. You don't see Peter studying or know what his grades are like in school and except for two teachers(one who tells him not to skateboard and one who berates him for being late)we don't see his relationships with his teachers and to be fair we didn't see it in the Raimi movies either. We just see Peter moving through school just another fly on the wall in a sense. (until others get bullied): Peter telling Flash to put the kid down. After powers, Amazing Peter Parker didn't do anything to Flash until Flash picked on some girl (Peter might have been so eager because he's partly getting a little sweet revenge for himself and having fun showing off, but still). Awkward in social situations: struggling to ask Gwen out and explaining why he had Gwen on his computer, picking at the fish while the Stacy family is laughing and being social, instead of being able to properly tell Dr.Connors how he figured out the decay rate algorithm instead of giving a proper answer he simply taps his head with a pencil,his conversation with Sally Avrill who asked him to take pictures of her boyfriend's car, his clothing looks like they are meant to blend in as opposed to the brighter primary colors he wears as Spider-Man and the clothings he wear after Captain Stacy's funeral and listening to Uncle Ben's message. Even with his Aunt May and Uncle Ben he can act quiet and awkward. quips: Quote:
jokes he made after Gwen found out he's Spider-Man:"You should see the other guy. The other guy, in this instance, being a giant mutant Lizard." (when he entered Gwen's room injured from the fight with Lizard in the sewers) Talking to Gwen on the football stadium about the spider that bit him "yeah it got a hell of a bite there", "chocolate house?". as Spider-Man "Uh hum a little advice if you want to steal cars don't dress up like a car thief" "Really? You seriously think I'm cop? In a skintight red and blue outfit. You got the mind of a scholar. I was thinking more of the guys who do the luge. good thinking. Good thinking. Get out the window. " "Crotch/look out." When he hits the car hacker with his crotch and flips him to the ground When he hits the car thief with webbing "it's webbing I developed myself. I don't think you really want to know what's in it." The fake sneeze hitting the car thief with the webbing "Oh boys in blue here", "really I did 80 percent of your job and this is the thanks I get."" no one seems to grasp the concept of the mask." "Hey I'm swinging here. I'm swinging here!" when he was swinging under the bridge while dodging the cops Bridge scene "do me a favor and hurry up a bit" when he was saving jack from the burning car high school fight scene:"that is disgusting: when the ripped off Lizard tail is on him, "Alright you don't want to talk (webs Lizard mouth shut) there you go", "uh oh looks like somebody's been a bad lizard" The library/Stan Lee scene when he was dodging the Lizard he was also throwing books at him as well before he caught the desk as it was about to hit Stan/The Librarian and threw it back at the Lizard as the sneakers he threw at the Lizard when he changed into Spider-Man in the chemistry lab Genius besides him creating the web shooters: the scene between Uncle Ben and Peter where he was able to figure out how/why the pipes and basement flooded , the electric lock on his door, in some interviews/viral campaigns they revealed he writes scientific equations on his skateboard, him being able to figure out the password from a distance (which is the most farfetched part in the movie), attaching a police scanner to his phone/ipod, his work in the lab with Dr.Connors figuring out a way, using a giant web in the sewers in order to track the Lizard using vibration in a way similar to not only how spiders track their prey (as well as a move he used in a comics called Spider-Man:the other where he used that trick to find a little girl in an apartment building that collapsed on itself) As for the Lizard/Dr.Connors, his motivation was a more extreme version of what he wanted in human form but honestly I only feel like besides a few missing scenes that could have better helped/defined his character, he was a mostly solid foil to Spider-Man and really close to some portrayals of the original Lizard in a lot of ways.
__________________
"Nazi zombies don’t wanna eat you just ‘cause they’re craving the protein. They do it ‘cause…they do it ‘cause they hate Americans, man. Talibans. They’re the Talibans of the zombie world." thanks TheNextNolan22 for reminding me how awesome Badger is |
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#102 | |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland
Posts: 2,664
|
![]() Quote:
Andrew was pretty faithful to the ideas of Spider-man and a pretty good idea of why Peter needs Spider-Man and did develop pretty well throughout the movies(felt like a nicer more restrained version of the original Ultimate Spider-Man in the first 4 arcs and Stan Lee/Steve Ditko Peter: http://comicsalliance.com/50-years-l...ider-man-1-50/)
__________________
"Nazi zombies don’t wanna eat you just ‘cause they’re craving the protein. They do it ‘cause…they do it ‘cause they hate Americans, man. Talibans. They’re the Talibans of the zombie world." thanks TheNextNolan22 for reminding me how awesome Badger is |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#103 | ||
Prepare to be Assimilated
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 17,944
|
![]() Quote:
![]() It really bugs me when people say that Peter didn't learn anything in TASM1, or didn't go through any changes.
__________________
Quote:
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#104 | |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland
Posts: 2,664
|
![]() Quote:
But for some reason I feel like they can't call him a nerd or geek or isn't the Peter they're used to(more specifically Tobey Maguire/Sam Raimi Peter for the most part), they describe him the most typical insults: "Emo Punk", "Jerk", "Hipster", "Twilight kid", etc when nothing about it even close to fit Andrew portrayal of Peter Parker. It's like comparing Tobey Maguire Peter Parker to the "Revenge of the Nerds" or Screech from "Saved by the Bell" when all just feels like superficial similarities(barely any at all) but they are completely different takes all together.
__________________
"Nazi zombies don’t wanna eat you just ‘cause they’re craving the protein. They do it ‘cause…they do it ‘cause they hate Americans, man. Talibans. They’re the Talibans of the zombie world." thanks TheNextNolan22 for reminding me how awesome Badger is |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#105 | |
Easy, miss. I've got you.
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Quito, Ecuador
Posts: 4,620
|
![]() Quote:
Now, the WORST scene... I watched a bit of the movie again the other day, and I could not help but grimace at the bullying scene at the beginning. Not only is Flash a total sociopath, but then the whole friggin school joins in with the chants of "FIGHT!"... God, that's painful. No one interferes, no one tells a teacher, no adult sees anything... and the worst part: when Gwen steps up (the ONLY person, other than Peter; the level of douchery in this school alone is beyond unrealistic) they could have gone for a big "There's something about Mary"-style grilling of Flash, something to make him feel emasculated and foolish and humiliated... and what she does is talk to him about her tutoring? Wtf? Is she afraid Flash might hit her too or something? Why couldn't they use this opportunity to establish Gwen as a brave, take-no-nonsense girl? That whole scene is so damn bad.
__________________
Tuuuuu-turu-tu-tuuuuuuuuuuu
TUUUU-TUUUU-TUUUUUUUUUUU... |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#106 |
Easy, miss. I've got you.
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Quito, Ecuador
Posts: 4,620
|
![]()
Oh, and when the random guy kicks aside Peter's camera... yikes. I'm willing to bet that Webb sees those scenes now and just facepalms himself.
__________________
Tuuuuu-turu-tu-tuuuuuuuuuuu
TUUUU-TUUUU-TUUUUUUUUUUU... |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#107 | |
Prepare to be Assimilated
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 17,944
|
![]()
I'm sorry, but have you never been to high school before? On a regular basis at my school, there would be fights that don't get reported because people are afraid to "step in." Especially during lunch periods or before class started, kids got away with crazy things because no one reported any of it. Its not that unrealistic in that sense.
__________________
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#108 | |
Prepare to be Assimilated
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 17,944
|
![]()
Gwen mentioned tutoring to put Flash in his place.
__________________
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#109 | |
Easy, miss. I've got you.
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Quito, Ecuador
Posts: 4,620
|
![]() Quote:
__________________
Tuuuuu-turu-tu-tuuuuuuuuuuu
TUUUU-TUUUU-TUUUUUUUUUUU... |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#110 | |
Prepare to be Assimilated
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 17,944
|
![]()
Most of the kids who start fights in schools aren't gang members. I went to school in NYC, so I do have personal experience. The way it was presented wasn't exactly "realistic," but its not as far fetched as you're making it out to be. But then again that's no surprise coming from Nemeres.
__________________
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#111 | |
Easy, miss. I've got you.
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Quito, Ecuador
Posts: 4,620
|
![]() Quote:
__________________
Tuuuuu-turu-tu-tuuuuuuuuuuu
TUUUU-TUUUU-TUUUUUUUUUUU... |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#112 | |
Prepare to be Assimilated
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 17,944
|
![]()
"has the gall to be funny about it…"
Huh?
__________________
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#113 | |
Easy, miss. I've got you.
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Quito, Ecuador
Posts: 4,620
|
![]() Quote:
__________________
Tuuuuu-turu-tu-tuuuuuuuuuuu
TUUUU-TUUUU-TUUUUUUUUUUU... |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#114 | |
Prepare to be Assimilated
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 17,944
|
![]()
Ehh, its a very minor flaw.
__________________
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#115 |
Easy, miss. I've got you.
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Quito, Ecuador
Posts: 4,620
|
![]()
Comparatively, yes. You know what, I take that back, it's not the worst scene in the film, but it's probably the most overtly ridiculous one, along with the cranes. These criticisms aren't meant as an attack on your patience (you shouldn't let them be that), but hey, one thinks what one thinks. I'm not stretching to dislike something. Come on, I'm sure TASM 2 will be better.
__________________
Tuuuuu-turu-tu-tuuuuuuuuuuu
TUUUU-TUUUU-TUUUUUUUUUUU... |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#116 | |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland
Posts: 2,664
|
![]() Quote:
At the most the closest comparison to it is that "Natural Selection" of Spectacular Spider-Man when Peter is attacked with water balloons by Flash Thompson and his sidekick Kenny Kong, (which he dodges until he realizes it might reveal his secret identity as Spider-Man) before Gwen steps in and gets everyone to laugh at Flash instead where no teacher or adult stepped through either. Yes Gwen humiliated Flash better but Gwen just needed to find a way to stop him from targeting Peter. Or the two times MJ stop Peter in Spider-Man 1, and the one time she couldn't because she got a ride with her friends when Peter missed the bus. Like Senator Pleasury said, Gwen(or MJ) tries to find a way to stop Flash picking on Peter while a crowd just watches on and doesn't do anything(who in TASM was stopping Flash from picking on someone else). In the movies she's stops him by targeting his intelligence/grades, In Spectacular Spider-Man she targets his athletic ability and a loss of Midtown high, In Spider-Man the movie, Mary Jane was the only one who told the bus driver to stop, MJ was the only one asking someone (Harry) to defend Peter against Flash.
__________________
"Nazi zombies don’t wanna eat you just ‘cause they’re craving the protein. They do it ‘cause…they do it ‘cause they hate Americans, man. Talibans. They’re the Talibans of the zombie world." thanks TheNextNolan22 for reminding me how awesome Badger is Last edited by ironman29758; 01-24-2014 at 01:59 PM. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#117 | |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland
Posts: 2,664
|
![]() Quote:
But at the end of the day the theme is pretty much the same: It's Peter trying to figure something no one ever explain fully how or why it happened but tries hard to discover it anyway: the people who were most important to him left and never really explained why. What happened to his parents. This would influence parts of his life growing up and understandably so. Yes Peter searching for why his parents life left to him get his spider and starts him on the bigger mystery of what Oscorp is doing. But it does examine why Peter is a hero and what it means being responsible and using your gifts nonetheless in a different way but it still works at least for me but obviously not for you. It's not actually capturing the murderer and realizing his part in Uncle Ben's death that made Peter a hero but the Lizard which he had a part in creating, Captain Stacy and what happened on the bridge ending with listening to Uncle Ben's last words/voice message that turned him into a true hero(in fact in the first few issues Peter was a little more selfish and self centered even after learning "with Great power"). Yes Uncle Ben had a big influence and a big part of Peter becoming Spider-Man but he isn't/was never the only influence in Peter's life to me. While yes the Raimi Spider-Man was in essence an "everyman" displaying how Spider-Man basically affects Peter social and work life(Sometimes playing it up hard for my tastes but it did it right) but it's more focused was on Peter/MJ/Harry relationship. With Peter's relationship with MJ I thought it was more played up than what could have been. Everything important in Spider-Man 1-3 was either was mainly connected to MJ or Uncle Ben(Uncle Ben made sense to me because he's dealing with the grief of Uncle Ben throughout the trilogy before he finally makes peace with his death in a sense in the third movie even though it's a bit lackluster). Peter got bit because he was taking pictures of MJ. Peter only became a wrestler which was what led to Uncle Ben death because Peter needed money to get a car to impress her. MJ just happened to be dating the son of Peter's boss. Doctor Octavius and Rosilia and to a lesser extend Eddie Brock and Gwen's relationship were suppose to be compared to Peter and MJ's relationship. At times It felt like everything kind of revolved around MJ(even the opening narration supports this). I know she is the main love interest but still I like how this movie is looking at a different parts of Spider-Man life/universe than the Raimi trilogy did. Like I said and Senator Pleasury that even without his powers Peter was fairly different from other kids. Yes he has everyday problems, he is a genius who creates web shooters, spider tracers, etc. Mark and Webb Andrew Garfield take on Peter is still an everyman but in a sense closer to the comics in sense while Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire took other everyman qualities more specifically how Spider-Man affected Peter's life for the better or worse. He still get bitten by a spider but the circumstances behind it are different(closer to Ultimate Spider-Man comics).
__________________
"Nazi zombies don’t wanna eat you just ‘cause they’re craving the protein. They do it ‘cause…they do it ‘cause they hate Americans, man. Talibans. They’re the Talibans of the zombie world." thanks TheNextNolan22 for reminding me how awesome Badger is Last edited by ironman29758; 01-24-2014 at 02:05 PM. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#118 | ||||||
Banned User
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 2,844
|
![]() Quote:
That said, the everyman aspect is as much here as it was there. Or it's not (depending on your view ), but the same way. Peter Parker is far from being the everyday man (even when you can relate to him). He has always been remarkably intelligent. Garfield's Peter is still a "normal, good-hearted kid" that gains spider-powers and has to do something with them. But Peter Parker has always been a kid above normal, one who can build web-shooters. Well, except when Raimi considered that Peter shouldn't be that capable and smart, because for a kid who gained super-powers from a spider, that wouldn't be very believable. But still, peter has traditionally been above normal, but with normal problems in his personal life (have to pay bills, make money, be on time, get the girl, etc). Now, the "this could happen to anyone"? You mean, like in any person's daily visit to a scientific experiment with radiation that happens to affect one spider? That's far from being something that happens to anyone, and it doesn't change here. Quote:
So yes, in TASM the bully still bullies, but this time Flash Thompson at least had more than that one dimension. Quote:
Now, about Gwen and Flash. Yes. Very smart of her to make him look bad in front of others. Yes, you can punch someone, how about your grades, can you beat a book as well? That's brave, no matter what verbal strategy she used, it's still facing the bully in front of the rest. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
||||||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#119 |
I love Marvel, DC & EC!
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Caverns in Arkham Island
Posts: 7,567
|
![]()
I am getting somewhat tired of how New Yorkers are getting portrayed as the best people on the planet.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#120 | |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland
Posts: 2,664
|
![]() Quote:
__________________
"Nazi zombies don’t wanna eat you just ‘cause they’re craving the protein. They do it ‘cause…they do it ‘cause they hate Americans, man. Talibans. They’re the Talibans of the zombie world." thanks TheNextNolan22 for reminding me how awesome Badger is |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#121 |
Side-Kick
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland
Posts: 2,664
|
![]()
It works when done right. Sometimes it's great seeing the people got the superheroes back or the Superhero being patriotic in a sense but sometime you just facepalm when's played hard and is unnecessary to the movie or scene in question(Man of Steel when Clark tells the government agents he's been on Earth for 33 years and he landed in Kansas when he's trying to keep his identity secret when he could have just said I've been on this planet for a long time without revealing secret details in order to gain their trust, some of the bystanders reaction in Spider-Man 2, etc).
__________________
"Nazi zombies don’t wanna eat you just ‘cause they’re craving the protein. They do it ‘cause…they do it ‘cause they hate Americans, man. Talibans. They’re the Talibans of the zombie world." thanks TheNextNolan22 for reminding me how awesome Badger is |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#122 | |||||||
Easy, miss. I've got you.
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Quito, Ecuador
Posts: 4,620
|
![]() Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Tuuuuu-turu-tu-tuuuuuuuuuuu
TUUUU-TUUUU-TUUUUUUUUUUU... |
|||||||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#123 | ||
Prepare to be Assimilated
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 17,944
|
![]() Quote:
![]() ![]()
__________________
Quote:
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#124 | ||||||
Banned User
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 2,844
|
![]() Quote:
But I did admit that distancing themselves from the Raimi movie was a problem. Yet, if anything, it gave a reason as to why Peter and that spider crossed paths, beyond mere coincidence. I'm not saying it's better this way. Quote:
What happened to him is, by any standard, extraordinary. It couldn't happen to anyone. Quote:
You criticized the bullying scene in TASM detail by detail as one of the worse things in the movie when, in fact, every aspect you criticized was present in Raimi's first spider-movie: bully beats someone and nobody interferes, the rest are amused by this, the girl is the only one who stops him, a random student attacked Peter for no reason. The only difference is that Webb's Peter did something about it, he didn't just accept the abuse. Oh,m and the bully having more than one dimension. Quote:
But after Raimi's one dimensional cliche, it was a vast improvement. Because Flash doesn't just change in one scene, by the end of the movie, he gets that what Spider-man represents can be an aspirational style. Quote:
I think you compared it to Raimi's movie enough times to say that you were talking TASM exclusively here. Quote:
And exactly, for how many people does the scene fail so we can't ignore it? The scene does explain the actions of the crane guy as directly derived from Spider-man's heroism and he does get to help him back. But giving actions a background is falling flat. It's not just random people coming from nowhere, throwing sticks and cheesey lines to a villain that, for absolutely no reason whatsoever, decides to stay still for the first time ever, and NOT attack back even when he has every reason, opportunity and ability to. In TASM you get a story behind the scene. **************************** Thanks, Picard S. |
||||||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#125 | |
Prepare to be Assimilated
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 17,944
|
![]()
No problem. I think we've come to the point where we can say arguing with Nemeres is pointless.
__________________
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|