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Sanctimonious,argumentative Ben Parker |
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8 | 17.02% |
Twitchy Stuttering Peter |
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12 | 25.53% |
Goomba Lizard |
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15 | 31.91% |
Peter Promise-braker |
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14 | 29.79% |
"Hilarious" misuse of powers (Subway,bathroom,ect) |
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7 | 14.89% |
Skateboarding to Coldplay |
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8 | 17.02% |
Ben Dies over Chocolate Milk |
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16 | 34.04% |
Other |
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17 | 36.17% |
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Oop, someone's pissy. Gotta work on that tolerance, hoss.
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Let's keep the resentment to a minimum, shall we, guys? This is just a silly movie we're discussing here.
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I always hated how Peter casually took advantage of his powers at school (chucking a football at the crossbar and breaking the basketball net, which are both impossible, not to mention he did it in-front of the whole school, not a very bright choice for a supposed bright kid who makes his own Spidey suit and web-shooters).
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I'm not pissy, I'm just admitting that there is no point in arguing. We're literally going in circles, man.
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The basketball scene wasn't filler comedy. It was showing Peter using his powers irresponsibly and setting off the events that would later lead to his Uncle Ben's death.
The football/goal post scene? Yes, THAT was filler comedy.
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On the other hand, it is pretty unfair and ungracious to dismiss my opinion entirely to someone who doesn't know me just because I'm criticizing something you like. Discussion is what I come here for. If you don't like it, you should either not engage in reading it, or do, but try to take it like a champ.
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Peter's contact with the spider is always motivated by his scientific curiosity. In the comics, it's because he is interested in radiation and now it's because he is interested in that specific experiment as it's part of his father's research. Only the origin of his motivation changes but not his natural scientific curiosity, nor the extraordinary nature of the accident. In neither case, Peter is aware that he's going to be bit by a radioactive spider (the event is equally unexpected). And in both cases, he's a good-hearted kid, shy, curious and nerdy; the essence never changes. Quote:
That sounds like putting one movie above the other (no matter if you said it in one or more posts, but they were two). Now, there's no problem whatsoever if you prefer SM1 over TASM. The problem is when you state something without backing your statement up (Peter's parents storyline "interferes with the character's essence") or when you criticize in one movie the very same things you don't in the one you think is much better. Quote:
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Again, the scene is not about how the father knew that his plan was going to work, but that he had to do something to help the man who saved his son. Normally, Spider-man has to "fall" on building walls. With his leg hurt that becomes a problem. And people appearing from nowhere just because Spider-man needed to be saved in that exact moment, that's the definition of forced. Quote:
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That said, taking advantage of his powers is what he does, it's part of the story. It's like when Peter fought Flash in Raimi's movies. Now, what he did with the football went unnoticed. And the basketball thing was like Peter beating Flash Thompson (the strongest bully around) in front of the whole school, moving and jumping like he did, even punching the bully good 20 meters and after the school saw spider-webs coming from his wrists! Well, coming from a Raimi trilogy where that kind of humor was the star time and time again, I'd say we're improving. |
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I enjoyed the Flash fight in Spider-Man because it was during Peter's final days in high-school, which gave the kids something to remember Peter by (similar to Spider-Man 2, I imagine that it's a secret they pass amongst themselves that they know who Spider-Man really is because of that incident). Flash himself pays his respects to Harry, who he bullied too, at the end of Spider-Man 3, which I thought was a nice inclusion. The football didn't go unnoticed. Remember the coach looks at him up on the rafters and Peter acknowledges him? Even the trailers have the coach asking Peter "Wanna play football?" after he does it or something along those lines. I thought the Raimi trilogy had a much better sense of humour about it. It didn't take itself too seriously, at least, like this recent update has. While I'm excited for the sequel, nothing will ever change my mind about this film. I still think The Lizard is a poorly-written villain, I'm still disappointed at the lack of great action scenes (besides the excellent school fight scene) and it tries too hard to cram in too much into one film, which makes it feel pretentious at times (especially when Gwen reveals to Peter that she basically knew exactly what Capt. Stacy told him on the roof, just seemed very odd and out-of-character). A lot of this film makes no sense to me, like when Capt. Stacy finally finds out about The Lizard after the school attack and yet still insists on going after Spider-Man instead (even after The Lizard turns a couple of officers into lizard-people).
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In TASM, this goes out the window. There's now an element of predestination around him that, like I said earlier, is not only foreign to the character's appeal to begin with (did someone give two ****s about his parents during those first Lee/Ditko issues?), but is very evidently an attempt to cultivate sequels. Nothing wrong with that in principle, but a) Not only does it not develop satisfactorily, and it keeps the movie from standing on its own; and b) Like I explained above, it interferes with the "essence" of the character... or my take on what that is, you can take it or leave it. I brought up SM1 as an example of how needless it can be to reach for such foreign -shoehorned, I would call them- elements. That movie told a story about the character by the end of which you didn't care about his freaking parents or why they died, but you did know who Spider-Man was and what he was about. TASM didn't have to go for the exact same, but what it did choose to go for was the wrong choice IMO. Discussing it so extensively makes it sound like I have a bigger problem with it than I actually do... but if we're comparing the two, when it comes to a purer, more distilled portrayal of the character and the themes that surround him... SM 1 wins hands down. I can smell your disagreement from here, but that is my argument. I hope it's clearer now. Quote:
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I think the better question is, why WOULDN'T Norman attack the people on the bridge?
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Should have added "Constantly removing his mask all the freakin time."
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The only time that bothered me was when he took off his mask after the high school battle. That was just totally unnecessary.
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Wasn't their more times Tobey had his mask off and some of them were more unnecessary as well. I understand they want to give the actors facetime since it's harder to get emotions under a mask like the Raimi and the first Webb Spidey costume but still.
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I think the studio is afraid of the audience not being able to connect with him under the mask, but I don't know.
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There was a lot of stuff cut I feel should have Ben left in but I would have. Hanged the following...
Peter dunking on Flash was good. But I would have pulled back on his jump so it wasn't so huge. After that in real life, the team would hound him for their team at the least, his secret blown at the worst. Peter denting the goal post in front of everyone with a football. Connors would be more sympathetic so when Spidey was fighting the Lizard, you as a viewer would still be concerned for Connors the man. Uncle Ben's killer should have been CAUGHT. I hate after 2 movies he's still out there. Harry would have been introduced here as well.", or at least mentioned. JJJ should have made an appearance.
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I probably should've put Dennis Leary's Capt. Stacy,who bore no resemblance to the original comic incarnation whatsoever,in the poll.Just seeing his "ghost" in TASM2 reminded me how obnoxious his character was.Frankly,alot of the characters in this film came across as obnoxious to me.
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I think that's because he's pretty much TASM's version of J. Jonah, although they're expecting us to take him seriously. I think he got some character development near the end, but since they killed him off so we won't see more of that.
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How do you figure that? He's got a totally different dynamic in his relationship with Peter, and Spider-Man, compared to JJJ.
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They both have a foaming hatred of Spider-man and want to turn society against him. Both him and JJ argued with Peter about whether Spider-man is a menace.
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I didn't get any impression that Captain Stacy hates Spider-Man or wanted to turn the city against him. He is a police officer and Spider-Man was taking the law into his own hands. He wanted to have Spider-Man arrested. That is similar to JJ sure, but he has totally different reasons. JJJ has irrational, actual hatred for Spider-Man. He doesn't trust him, because of the mask. And he's trying to sell papers. Captain Stacy was not actively trying to turn the public against Spider-Man like Jonah.
Plus once Captain Stacy learns who Spider-Man is, and that he is the only one capable of stopping the threat they are dealing with, he changes his mind. I guess they both serve a similar purpose in their respective movies; to convey the ambiguous nature of Spider-Mans actions and how differently the citizens of the city react. |
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