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Considering that Batman is inherently fantastical, yes.
I find it humorous that people find Batman to be more realistic than Superman due solely to the fact that Batman is human. Realism in any sort of speculative fiction basically comes down to believability, and Batman's world is far less believable than Superman's.
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![]() They do nothing to really further Bruce's evolution. They're always there as a villain of the week (the monsters, the robotic villains), or some experimental cross-over where Batman has a chance to fight aliens or gods. The latter is usually an enemy to another Justice League member.
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Deadly serious.
Nope, not joking at all. When reading a Batman comic, you need to accept that a human being (something that exists in reality) is able to be as physically capable, skilled, knowledgeable and determined as Batman is all at once while still being in a nebulous 30-something age range. Adding the never-ending strangeness of even his most "realistic" enemies, the free range the law gives him, and the fact that he is able to be active for a number of years without eating a bullet strains the suspension of disbelief to a baffling degree. When reading a Superman comic, you need to accept that there is a godlike alien that appears human but is pretty much invincible, has superhuman physical abilities, can fly and shoot lasers from his eyes. Adding even the most far out of his enemies, the free range the world's governments give him and the concept that his glasses can hide his identity from those closest to both his alter-egos won't strain your suspension of disbelief considering that you've already accepted Superman himself.
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And even Batman's human rogues are pretty surreal and unusual, such as Two-Face with his perfectly divided face, the Joker with his clown-like features from falling in chemicals and evergreen hair. The primary interpretations depict these "scars" as too perfect and flawless and it's only ever intentionally-realistic reinterpretations that make Two-Face's "faces" not so perfectly divided or the Joker's face not so white or his hair not so green. |
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I think if Superman represents God Lex Luthor is the rebellion of the human race against it, and if Batman represents the human order the Joker is the rebellion of the human individual against it. Curiously both Lex Luthor and Bruce Wayne are millionaires, but the first is considered a villain and the second a hero ![]() |
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Batman, at his core, is a man who through sheer determination, trained himself to the peak of mental and physical condition, learned mastered hundreds of varying skill sets and martial arts, devised numerous contingency plans for all sorts of scenarios (up to and including contingency plans for his contingency plans), and uses it all to further a single-minded focus to fight crime, and does this while still being young enough to look good in tights. In no way is that realistic.
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I am hoping not only for more fantastical villains but more unused villains Nolan hopefully taught us with good story telling any villain can be a good villain.
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I say embrace the fantastic and add a touch of plausibility. My favorite example for this one is Poison Ivy. Make her the head of a South American drug cartel that experiments on some kind of mutagenic plant virus thing. She can use it to create plant-human hybrids that can disguise themselves as humans. These are her heavies, the muscle she uses to get a foot in the door in Gotham's drug trade. She can be developing plant toxin based bioweapons on the side, using her drug trade to fund the research. There, you've got something very science fiction-y blended with something that's more realistic. Take this principle and apply it to Batman's more fantastic rogues.
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Nevermind that, realism has little to do with what's real. It's more about simulating reality, and Superman's mythos does that better. Batman's treads to close to the Uncanny Valley and thus it comes out less realistic.
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Dude, you're sounding crazy. Batman comes off less realistic? I dont understand a single thing you're saying. Your reasons make no sense.
I have never understood when some people say that batman would only last a day or two? How is that? Batman would not be able to last anywhere near the time he does in the comics. But he could probably last a pretty long time.
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And I agree with Shauner: the training of Bruce Wayne is a mix of real martial arts and other fight and camouflage technics, I don't understand why people insists it isn't realistic. Obviously he wouldn't last 40 years acting like Batman, but 4 or 5 (depending his luck) for sure. |
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Batman isn't realistic at all. Batman could not exist in the real world, even if he's as rich as Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and Richard Branson combined. Anywayyyy I'd like to see a more stylish take on Batman. I like the Nolan trilogy, I LOVE the first two films. But if you're going to reboot or re-imagine something, do it differently, don't try and imitate what came before. Whoever makes the next Batman films (my choice is Alfonso Cuaron) they need to bring their own style and sensibilities, just like what Burton and Nolan did. Last edited by The Endless; 02-01-2014 at 06:26 AM. |
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The tragedy and the characterisation itself might be realistic. There are crazy people out there. I could totally buy someone becoming obsessed with fighting crime after witnessing a tragedy. It's probably already happened many times before. And they are probably now 6 foot under and pushing up daisies. But if a billionaire watched his parents get gunned down and tried to come back as a vigilante, no amount of training and gadgets would allow him to survive longer than a week. Messing around with real criminals like gang bangers etc would see him shot in the face with a shotgun. Or he'd go leaping from rooftop to rooftop and plummet to his death. Anyone who thinks Batman isn't fantastical is obviously not living in the real world themselves. I think SuperFerret is trying to say that the world Batman is in, where his main enemies are mobsters etc, a grounded world, Bats does look the odd one out. Whereas the world Superman is in, with intergalactic warlords and super advanced AIs, he isn't the odd one out because it's all consistent. Last edited by The Endless; 02-01-2014 at 09:52 AM. |
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See i think Batman is pure fantasy too. The thing that makes him unrealistic is that he is all those things in one package.
Of course it's possible to be one or maybe two of those things. But it is physically impossible to be that strong, that agile and that fast all in one package. Then a Einstein level genius and Sherlock Holmes like detective? And a master of dozens of different martial arts? Come on man lol. Being Batman is like a teenagers fantasy. Well, any mans fantasy. That's exactly what he is; fantasy. |
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Even if you say it's a fantasy. Fine. But it's a much more relatable fantasy than Superman that's for damn sure. He's human. Clark is an alien. End of story.
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Should the new Batman movies go fantastical? Yes and no. Instead, they should work to establish a perfect balance between fantasy and reality.
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I'm not saying Superman is more realistic than Batman. I'm simply saying Batman is unrealistic and is still very much in the realms of fantasy, just like Superman.
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You guys need to look up what the Uncanny Valley is. Superman being wholly fantasy makes him more realistic than Batman is.
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