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I wouldn't mind them using Justin Hammer for another film but I kinda think it won't happen.
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Yeah, Marvel retroactively dismissing a really great and creative adaptation of a character in Iron Man 3 simplifies things a lot.
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Marvel retroactively dismissing a twist that didn't work because the actual villain was less interesting/menacing than the drunk actor who was pretending to be the villain would be more accurate. If Killian would have been interesting, then the twist would have been fine, but he wasn't. Kingsley was a much better villain, and he wasn't even really the villain.
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He was yet another rival businessman who wore a suit and had a grudge, just like the villains in the first two movies. So no, he wasn't that interesting.
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There was a lot more to him than that. You're mostly talking about the surface stuff. Killian, on a narrative and thematic level, was a very interesting foil to Tony Stark. A man who started with nothing, took power he did not earn, and is motivated by a desire to reinvent himself as a great man and take everything he feels he is entitled to. It's a nice contrast to Tony Stark. Stane and Hammer weren't like that, and Hammer wasn't even the main villain in Iron Man 2, Vanko was. Besides some superficial similarities he wasn't much like any of those characters at all.
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Killian wasn't the Mandarin. You're taking the context of his one line wrong. He was just Killian, head of AIM.
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Nope. That's nonsense.
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Or...Marvel did an alteration of a previously stated fact in a fictional work that modifies established continuity...and retconned a fact.
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Or, you misinterpreted a line a dialogue. Highly successful movie studio with long term planning and multi-layered storylines trumps disgruntled fan over misinterpretation every day of the week. Twice on weekends.
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Oh you're right
So when Killian said "I AM THE MANDARIN" it meant "I'm just the dude who hired another dude to disguise himself as another dude while I blow your house up" I guess when Tony Stark said "I AM IRON MAN" it means "i'm just some dude who makes suits for the real tony stark" okay lol |
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We're all equally disgruntled fans on this issue. That doesn't mean seeing Killian as The Mandarin wasn't a completely valid interpretation of the film. It also doesn't mean that Poni Boy's argument makes any sense. Which I really don't think it does.
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I always took the I am the mandarin line as simply an egotistical madman who has just straight up lost his mind. And in the end he was the man behind everything in Iron Man 3. He was the mastermind behind everything that happens to Tony and to the country in that film, and the one shot doesn't change that at all. The one shot doesn't really change anything from Iron Man 3, it adds to it. I mean it actually helps things make even more sense if anything. That Killian used a pre-existing myth and didn't just pull the mandarin name out of thin air, making it even easier for people to not even suspect that it was all a lie. Then the myth turns out to not only be real but still alive and growing back to what it was before Tony hurt them so much in the first Iron Man. I don't know. I don't see any bad in this at all. Everything I loved about the Iron Man 3 twist is still there. It still exists. If Kingsley ended up being the mandarin all along then I could see the whole what's the point of Iron Man 3 thing, but that doesn't feel like the case at all at the end of the one shot film.
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Does it really matter? It's not like we are going to see the "real" Mandarin or 10 Rings come up again.
So why couldn't they come up with a better story for the genuine article in Iron Man 3? Seems to me this is a consolation prize for people that didn't like the Mandarin twist but it ultimately won't matter in the long run.
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I don't need Fu Manchu Mandarin, but I hated that IM3 Mandarin was basically just a disgruntled fan. Tony Stark initiated the birth of the Mandarin, simply because he didn't meet someone on the roof. Some may like that concept, I simply hated it.
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^I don't see the whole disgruntled fan bit. His overarching scheme had nothing to do with Tony in any way, shape, or form. Heck, the only reason he attempted to bring Tony onboard in the first place is because Maya spilled the beans that he could probably stabilize Extremis. IMO, if Killian was just a bitter fanboy, everything he did would have tied back to either surpassing or embarassing Tony Stark, and most of all, explicitly letting Tony know that it was him all along. He went to pretty great lengths to stay behind the scenes, so it definitely wasn't that. If anything, he was a bigger 'fan' of Pepper than he ever was of Tony; his feelings/desires for her were the only emotions he harbored towards anyone.
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Thanks to the one-shot, I'm able to enjoy the reveal that the 1st Mandarin was just Trevor Slattery a lot more. Knowing that the actual Mandarin is still out there, really helps a lot. Especially since the one-shot allured that he's a more larger than life character. Not just a nerd turned rich, evil playboy.
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Killian's parallel story arc to Tony's, and the whole damn theme of the movie. At the end of the film, Tony Stark basically says to the camera that Iron Man isn't defined by the suit and the gadgets, that ultimately he is defined by who Tony is as a person. He says at the end "I am Iron Man," meaning that with or without the suit, thats who he is as defined by the core of his character. Just like how The Mandarin isn't defined by the rings and the robes and the funny accent, he's defined by who he is, and as Killian says, at the core of his character he is The Mandarin. Killian fills The Mandarin's role in the story and shares most of the same character beats, motivation, MO, and general personality. Even though he lacks the surface resemblance (until the shirt comes off and we see the dragon tattoos anyway, another clue as to him genuinely being The Mandarin), the film's own theme is that it's what's inside that counts, and deep down Killian is The Mandarin. He's certainly much more like the actual character of The Mandarin than some immortal Chines sorcerer like people keep suggesting.
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No. They didn't just do this for nothing.
Look at all the clues, There's more to it. This was ALWAYS ALWAYS the intent. The after credit scene wasn't just for giggles. It was a clue. That the entire movie was Stark's recollection of events. And he was in therapy. There was always going to be more to the Mandarin twist. Trevor was always intended to be the Mandarin, Kingsley. And some way or another, he will still turn out to be the Mandarin
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