The Falcon

[Suzanne78]

OOOOH!! Is that an official Falcon poster finally???

That is really cool!

[The Caped Knight]

Originally Posted by Suzanne78

OOOOH!! Is that an official Falcon poster finally???

That is really cool!

no it's a fan art.

[Majik1387]

I coulda sworn there was a Falcon poster with Sam in a Shield uniform.

[mightiest_mortal]

Originally Posted by The Caped Knight

no it's a fan art.

Are you sure? I've seen it in other languages with the other posters. It's pretty jokes if the fanart one is looking better than the others so far.

EDIT :

oh wait.. its actually a completely different poster but with the same Falcon image used. Its been pulled from jposters.com.ar at MArvel request so I guess that means something.

[Hawkingbird]

Fake or not fake, he looks great

[TeeKay]

I wanna see him in AOU!!!

[Webfoot Hero]

I'm actually surprised Marvel hasn't released a poster for Falcon, considering he's supposed to be one of CA's sidekicks in the movie and is featured fairly prominently in the trailers thus far. Wonder what the idea is to withhold a poster for him.

[TeeKay]

I'm sure they'll release one for him soon enough. He deserves one! Goddammit there's things I wanna say about him but can't.

[Smashlilman]

Originally Posted by TeeKay

I'm sure they'll release one for him soon enough. He deserves one! Goddammit there's things I wanna say about him but can't.

[Ant-manic]

Originally Posted by TeeKay

I'm sure they'll release one for him soon enough. He deserves one! Goddammit there's things I wanna say about him but can't.

soooo...he's really M.O.D.O.K in disguise?

[metaphysician]

The reason they aren't giving him bird telepathy? Well, a couple come to mind, but the number one is that its kludge-y. So, you've got a character who randomly has the ability to talk to birds. . . and also has a flying harness? The two are completely unrelated abilities, and would come off as an arbitrary theme rather than a coherent character concept. Doubly so when you presumably are adding "high end skill set" on top of that.

Combine that with how "avian telepathy" would be very easy to mock ( well, unless you use it in ways that are both alien to Falcon as he's usually portrayed, and would clash with the style of the movie ), and you have a problem.

[Stringer]

Originally Posted by TeeKay

I'm sure they'll release one for him soon enough. He deserves one! Goddammit there's things I wanna say about him but can't.

He's the first one to die isn't he?

[Smashlilman]

Originally Posted by metaphysician

The reason they aren't giving him bird telepathy? Well, a couple come to mind, but the number one is that its kludge-y. So, you've got a character who randomly has the ability to talk to birds. . . and also has a flying harness? The two are completely unrelated abilities, and would come off as an arbitrary theme rather than a coherent character concept. Doubly so when you presumably are adding "high end skill set" on top of that.

Combine that with how "avian telepathy" would be very easy to mock ( well, unless you use it in ways that are both alien to Falcon as he's usually portrayed, and would clash with the style of the movie ), and you have a problem.

How is that any different from Spider-man having a built in biological reactive spider sense, building a mechanical web shooter, and wearing a costume that has a giant webdesign on it. It's just people like you over thinking the absurdity of one character when its all absurd. It about exposing people to new character concepts and powers.

[psylockolussus]

this looks amazing!

Is this official?

[Webfoot Hero]

Originally Posted by psylockolussus

this looks amazing!

Is this official?

Don't think it is. Thought it was confirmed to be a fanart creation.

[BullMcGiveny]

I think Redwing would be pushing it.

A telepathic connection with birds doesn't fit with any other concepts present in this movie or past ones.

[mightiest_mortal]

Originally Posted by Webfoot Hero

Don't think it is. Thought it was confirmed to be a fanart creation.

Seems to be fanart but based on Marvels official art assets (they actually send them all out to pretty much everyone doing their merchandise/media).

The Red/Spanish version at the top of this page seems to be the official thing from what I can gather.

RE: REDWING. I'd imagine he's going to make an appearance.. even if it's just a flying drone that Falcon has that's called redwing.

[Hawkingbird]

Originally Posted by BullMcGiveny

I think Redwing would be pushing it.

A telepathic connection with birds doesn't fit with any other concepts present in this movie or past ones.

Drones!

[cherokeesam]

Originally Posted by mightiest_mortal

Seems to be fanart but based on Marvels official art assets (they actually send them all out to pretty much everyone doing their merchandise/media).

The Red/Spanish version at the top of this page seems to be the official thing from what I can gather.

RE: REDWING. I'd imagine he's going to make an appearance.. even if it's just a flying drone that Falcon has that's called redwing.

That, I could see.

[metaphysician]

Originally Posted by Smashlilman

How is that any different from Spider-man having a built in biological reactive spider sense, building a mechanical web shooter, and wearing a costume that has a giant webdesign on it. It's just people like you over thinking the absurdity of one character when its all absurd. It about exposing people to new character concepts and powers.

For one thing, what Sony does with Spider-man is not under Marvel Studios' control, and so has nothing to do with this issue.

For another, actually, yes, that *is* a big potential problem with selling Spider-man. There are three ways it is handled, to varying extents, when it comes to selling it to the audience:

1. Tie it together with Science! In the Raimi version, the webshooting is just another part of his powerset, so its only one extraordinary thing to sell. In the reboot, they specifically give Parker a weird science plotline, with him being a bit of a genius and interacting with said weird science in various ways. Either way, there is arguably a single source, not two totally unrelated powers.

2. Spider-man is iconic, second only to Superman and Batman. The general audience doesn't need as much selling, because they already know the concept.

3. Distraction. If people don't ask themselves these questions until after the movie, because they are focusing on the acting and drama and such? Its less of an issue.

This isn't really a usable model for Falcon. He's not iconic, he's not the focus of the movie so you can only distract from fridge issues insofar as you distract from him period, and even if you wanted to tie all his powers together with a common super science origin, you'd have a hell of a time doing it. Note that the version of Falcon who actually is a scientist is the version who also doesn't have bird telepathy; combining the two would require either answering the question "Why did the scientist give himself bird telepathy as a power?" or "What kind of science accident would let one talk to birds?"

[TeeKay]

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[Smashlilman]

Originally Posted by metaphysician

For one thing, what Sony does with Spider-man is not under Marvel Studios' control, and so has nothing to do with this issue.

For another, actually, yes, that *is* a big potential problem with selling Spider-man. There are three ways it is handled, to varying extents, when it comes to selling it to the audience:

1. Tie it together with Science! In the Raimi version, the webshooting is just another part of his powerset, so its only one extraordinary thing to sell. In the reboot, they specifically give Parker a weird science plotline, with him being a bit of a genius and interacting with said weird science in various ways. Either way, there is arguably a single source, not two totally unrelated powers.

2. Spider-man is iconic, second only to Superman and Batman. The general audience doesn't need as much selling, because they already know the concept.

3. Distraction. If people don't ask themselves these questions until after the movie, because they are focusing on the acting and drama and such? Its less of an issue.

This isn't really a usable model for Falcon. He's not iconic, he's not the focus of the movie so you can only distract from fridge issues insofar as you distract from him period, and even if you wanted to tie all his powers together with a common super science origin, you'd have a hell of a time doing it. Note that the version of Falcon who actually is a scientist is the version who also doesn't have bird telepathy; combining the two would require either answering the question "Why did the scientist give himself bird telepathy as a power?" or "What kind of science accident would let one talk to birds?"

response 1

Using that logic Captain America shouldn't have been given his Shield in Captain America: The First Avengers because it was made out of an alien metal that was imported from African and it doesn't fit with the German Scientist developed Super Steroid Serum origin of his enhanced abilities.

response 2

Dude do you even know the things that Scientist with Government/Military contracts have been up to.

Brain control Rat


Mind Control Machine: Human wags rat's tail using mind control interface


As far as the Falcon explain the power is simple. You either make him a meta human aka (mutant) that was born with those powers from the get go or you make him the voluntary subject of a government experiment "similar to Steve situation" where they gave him those abilities. Like I said before the ability to use animals as biological surveillance drones would be a very valuable ability from he military's stand point.


As for a the Bird wing Designed Jetpack wingsuit goes its just run of the mill special forces stuff. Right now Special forces are using wings suits to get even deep into hostile territory. On top of that Special forces are currently Developing Jetpack wings based off of Yves Rossy's designs to allow special forces to get even deeper into hostile territory.

Jetman Yves Rossy flies with the Breitling Jet Team over the Grand Canyon


Wingsuit jump with Army Special Ops Black Daggers


So the basic story would be that Falcon is a Meta human that joined the military or a Normal Human that was given and worked his way up into special forces and his Jetpack wingsuit design is the latest tech.

[fixxxer]

While I don't think it will happen in CA:TWS, for future Falcon appearances, they should give him a drone (something like the one pictured below), call it Redwing, and have Falcon control it either through a JARVIS-like AI or via a wristband controller of some sort. Would look cool as hell.

[The Caped Knight]

Official poster

[LEOZZTT]

Not as epic as the fanart, but still very cool.