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View Poll Results: Which villain
Mr. Freeze 39 16.25%
Joker 5 2.08%
Riddler 70 29.17%
Penguin 10 4.17%
Clayface 16 6.67%
Mad Hatter 4 1.67%
Hugo Strange 34 14.17%
Poison Ivy 8 3.33%
Two Face 6 2.50%
Killer Croc 15 6.25%
The League Of Assasins 1 0.42%
The Court Of Owls 19 7.92%
Dollmaker 0 0%
Catwoman 1 0.42%
Other 12 5.00%
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Old 01-18-2014, 05:32 PM   #601
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I think clayface by himself would be a good movie. Movies tend to cram loads of villains lately, but a good writer could make clayface be enough. It would be interesting to see what origins they'd carve out for the film

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Old 01-18-2014, 05:43 PM   #602
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Although I'd think it would be interesting to have a cameo of Hugo strange, in a very small role regarding clayface as a man/woman( depending who they choose) struggling with his/her own identity, thanks to the fact he/she can assume the role of anyone. I'd imagine that would eventually break down the walls of the "self" after a while.

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Old 01-21-2014, 02:26 AM   #603
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Clayface would work but the BTAS origin for him didn't quite work for me. There was something a bit hokey about a beauty product that has "may mutate you into sentient, shape shifting mud" as a side effect.

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Old 01-21-2014, 06:36 AM   #604
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I think clayface by himself would be a good movie. Movies tend to cram loads of villains lately, but a good writer could make clayface be enough. It would be interesting to see what origins they'd carve out for the film
This. Sometimes the multiple villains works (The Dark Knight), sometimes you get Batman and Robin.

I do hope they stress the detective aspect of Batman this go around, and that, in my opinion, would work best with a single villain to track. And after typing this, I certainly want the Riddler now, he just speaks to the detective side of Batman. But not the Jim Carrey version, a dark, threatening, sadistic Riddler. Not so whiny as the Riddler in the Arkham games either.

This post was not supposed to be that long.

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Old 01-21-2014, 06:50 AM   #605
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If they write strong script I don't see any problem - why can we have one villain like The Riddler or Clayface.

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Old 01-21-2014, 07:11 AM   #606
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Hugo Strange and Clayface has always been an interesting match up idea to me.

The two of them have identity issues. They both want to be a certain thing, they both want to desperately be different people. To see calm and collected Hugo Strange influence a mentally unstable Matt Hagan, that would be pretty cool.
Clayface killing innocent people and assuming their roles in a happy household or something to satisfy his desire for bliss would be cool. A bit like what the T-1000 did in T2JD to John Connor's foster family.
Just something to give him that tragic element that he had in BTAS, because every Clayface has always had a bit of that. Throwing that hopelessness and loneliness of Preston Payne into the characterization mix. Where he desires a companion, he desires physical comfort, but ends up absorbing them into obliteration, which degrades his unstable mental health further. He then assumes that role if he chooses, living the life of that said person, out if desire and guilt. And he despises Batman for trying to put him back in Arkham. His prison of pain and isolation.

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Old 01-21-2014, 09:57 AM   #607
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Clayface would work but the BTAS origin for him didn't quite work for me. There was something a bit hokey about a beauty product that has "may mutate you into sentient, shape shifting mud" as a side effect.
Yeah it's good for that show but i think it's pretty cornball in general. There's different ways to do Clayface.

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Old 02-12-2014, 11:57 PM   #608
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I think The Black Mask would be a good choice for a Batman movie. Have the movie be about Batman trying to learn the Black Mask's identity, after several murders committed by the False Facers. The average person would have no idea who it is, and the movie could introduce both Jeremiah Arkham and Roman Sionis as possible suspects for the comic fans out there.

Anarky could be another interesting villain to see eventually, although not as the primary antagonist.

I would save the Joker for the third movie, similar to how Iron Man did the Mandarin.

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Old 02-15-2014, 05:26 AM   #609
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I say and Poison Ivy

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Old 02-20-2014, 05:19 PM   #610
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After putting some more thought into it:
Batman 1: The Black Mask, Hugo Strange and Clayface. The Black Mask and Clayface should both be defeated in this movie. Hugo Strange should stick around.
Batman 2: Court of Owls. They should be subtly hinted at in the first movie, but never shown. Having a massive secret organization as the enemy in the first movie would seem too similar to Batman Begins.
Batman 3: The Joker with Harley Quinn. Introduce Jason Todd as Robin.
Batman 4: The Joker breaks out of Akham. Cue "A Death in the Family".

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Old 02-21-2014, 02:21 AM   #611
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Freeze!

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I'd like to see Batfleck take on The Riddler, showing us the world's greatest detective side of the character.

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After putting some more thought into it:
Batman 1: The Black Mask, Hugo Strange and Clayface. The Black Mask and Clayface should both be defeated in this movie. Hugo Strange should stick around.
Batman 2: Court of Owls. They should be subtly hinted at in the first movie, but never shown. Having a massive secret organization as the enemy in the first movie would seem too similar to Batman Begins.
Batman 3: The Joker with Harley Quinn. Introduce Jason Todd as Robin.
Batman 4: The Joker breaks out of Akham. Cue "A Death in the Family".
4 movies is pushing it. We're probably only getting one.

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Old 02-21-2014, 02:27 PM   #615
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4 movies is pushing it. We're probably only getting one.
DC only knows how to make two types of Superhero movies. Batman and Superman. Even if by some miracle, they manage to succeed with the Justice League movie, I doubt they would willingly turn off the moneymaking machine that is the Batman.

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Old 02-21-2014, 02:30 PM   #616
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Of course not, but we're talking about the Ben Affleck version. If they do prequel films with another actor, then sure. We could get a new trilogy. But i dont see that happening. I think we'll get 1 solo film with Affleck where he's in his mid 40s.

If they do prequel films, it'll probably be in like 10 years time when Ben is done with the franchise.

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Of course not, but we're talking about the Ben Affleck version. If they do prequel films with another actor, then sure. We could get a new trilogy. But i dont see that happening. I think we'll get 1 solo film with Affleck where he's in his mid 40s.

If they do prequel films, it'll probably be in like 10 years time when Ben is done with the franchise.
Yeah that's pretty logical. He's an in demand actor. I'm guessing he signed on for 3 films. Superman/Batman, Justice League, and a solo Batman film. I think that's what Cavill and Gadot's contracts were too.

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Old 02-22-2014, 03:02 PM   #618
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I really want to see Christoph Waltz play Hugo Strange. I've been saying that since I saw Inglourious Bastards. I think he can make Strange one of the most iconic comic book villains in all of cinema, up there with Ledger's Joker.

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Old 02-22-2014, 06:50 PM   #619
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I really want to see Christoph Waltz play Hugo Strange. I've been saying that since I saw Inglourious Bastards. I think he can make Strange one of the most iconic comic book villains in all of cinema, up there with Ledger's Joker.


Combine these two looks. Bingo.

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^ Exactly what I had in mind.

Wow, I'm getting excited just thinking about it .

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Old 03-02-2014, 04:04 AM   #621
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Really, there are a lot of villains I'd like to see: Clayface, Killer Croc, the Riddler (done correctly this time), Hush, Poison Ivy, Deadshot, etc.

But, if I had to pick one...for now I'd go with Killer Croc. There's one villain that really deserves the silver screen treatment.

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I still don't see why people think Croc deserves the silver screen treatment more than the others. Why does he deserve it exactly? What has he done as a character to deserve a spot in a live-action movie when there's literally a dozen villains who are far more interesting.

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Old 03-02-2014, 11:54 AM   #623
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Croc would be cool as a side villain, but not as the main villain.

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Hugo Strange and Clayface has always been an interesting match up idea to me.

The two of them have identity issues. They both want to be a certain thing, they both want to desperately be different people. To see calm and collected Hugo Strange influence a mentally unstable Matt Hagan, that would be pretty cool.
Clayface killing innocent people and assuming their roles in a happy household or something to satisfy his desire for bliss would be cool. A bit like what the T-1000 did in T2JD to John Connor's foster family.
Just something to give him that tragic element that he had in BTAS, because every Clayface has always had a bit of that. Throwing that hopelessness and loneliness of Preston Payne into the characterization mix. Where he desires a companion, he desires physical comfort, but ends up absorbing them into obliteration, which degrades his unstable mental health further. He then assumes that role if he chooses, living the life of that said person, out if desire and guilt. And he despises Batman for trying to put him back in Arkham. His prison of pain and isolation.
Dude you're onto something here. That could be a great villain pairing...

Hugo Strange is known to have created his own "Monster Men", it wouldn't be much of a stretch if he was the scientist behind Clayface's creation.

Maybe Hugo Strange knows Bruce Wayne is Batman, and has Clayface impersonate Bruce Wayne.. maybe this could be a streamlined adaptation of "Bruce Wayne: Murderer?/Bruce Wayne: Fugitive" storyline from the 2000s. Not an adaptation per se, but they could take elements from that storyline.

Hugo Strange shouldn't trust information like Batman's identity to Hagen/Clayface, Hagen could just be used to frame Bruce Wayne for murder

I'm really liking this idea. I struggled to think of a villain for Clayface to work well with, and i think Hugo Strange is perfect for this.

The BTAS Clayface origin works well within the context of an animated series, but for film, Hugo Strange could create him.

Christoph Waltz for Hugo Strange
a lot of people could work for Clayface/Matt Hagen

I still really want Mr. Freeze to be the next villain of a Batman movie. How would you guys feel about this:

Batfleck 1: Mr. Freeze, Catwoman and Penguin
Batfleck 2: Hugo Strange and Clayface
Batfleck 3: Joker, Harley, Scarecrow, Killer Croc, and Bane are unleashed when Joker takes over Arkham

Riddler is noticeably missing, as is Two Face

I think Riddler will work best if he's portrayed in a similar way to how he's utilized in some of Batman's best stories. In the Long Halloween, Dark Victory, and Hush, Riddler has a tiny but crucial role. He's never the principal bad guy, and i think he works best that way.

People keep clamoring for a movie where Riddler is the principal villain, and that never really appealed to me. It could work though, it'd be a lot like Saw with the elaborate death traps, unless they decided not to go the gritty route. That doesn't sound bad, and based on Riddler's portrayal in Arkham City, i could see him working on film, but I really would prefer him as a side character.

Another villain that doesn't really appeal to me as much as some other villains is Black Mask. He's commonly suggested to be a movie villain, and i think that's partly because of the Nolan effect. He's pretty realistic and would be really easy to pull off on film because he's essentially just a sadistic gangster with a black skull face. There's nothing there that would be fresh or new. . I'd also rather see a villain that's more important to the Batman mythos than Black Mask. Black Mask isn't a bad character, the Batman rogues gallery is pretty damn solid. but his rogues gallery is so great that there are a number of better villains than a genuinely interesting villain like Black Mask.


I still think it would be cool if Ra's Al Ghul, Talia, and Lex were working together in Batman vs Superman. I think we deserve the real R'as Al Ghul on film.

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Old 03-02-2014, 02:14 PM   #625
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Freeze or the Strange/Clayface idea. They're the best so far.

Penguin, Riddler and even Joker can be used as side characters. Two-Face and Catwoman dont need to be shown but they could have cameos (i feel the same way about Joker honestly).

Croc and Black Mask are also good as side characters. Sionis could be shown alongside Cobblepot as the current gangsters of Gotham City. Black Mask is the crimelord and Penguin is not as high up, he's an arms dealer who runs his own casino/club. With that you can give them a couple of scenes and move on. Croc could also be used as a bodyguard for Black Mask. This shows the audience how organized crime has evolved in Gotham City over the years, now that Batman is in his mid 40s.

Whether it's in a seperate universe or not, Penguin and Riddler will have their time on Fox's new show. So having them play smaller characters in the films won't piss off the fans. I dont think.

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