Captain America 2: News and Speculation - - Part 15

[TeeKay]

Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

Not really, there was very little reaction time to Loki's death in particular.

It wasn't after 30 seconds like you're saying though, that's why I said you exaggerated.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

I really don't want to talk about this here. But lets just say the first Thor film had plenty of comedy, but it also understood when to take itself seriously. Imagine the Thor/Loki confrontation, arguably the best scene in the MCU, with a more... humorous tone.

Movies like Iron Man, TFA, Thor and the Avengers for the most part understand the mood. When to crack a joke, when to play up the action, when to acknowledge the drama.

That is what I want from TWS.

Couldnt agree more with Darth on this, especially about Thor 1.

[Huddsy]

Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

I have said it before and I will say it again, why even hire the GoT guy if you arent going to let him do his thing?

Just doesnt make sense to me, and the movie was the poorer for it.

GoT is the very definition of a hiring hired guns. Benioff and Weiss run the show, and the directors show up, film some things and go home while the big guys are running from set to set to make sure everything is working.

Taylor isn't a vision guy. He's almost exclusively been one of HBO's puppets. Not that it's a bad thing because it's led to very good TV on GoT, Sopranos, Sex and City, etc. but I can understand why Marvel might have got involved.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Originally Posted by TeeKay

It wasn't after 30 seconds like you're saying though, that's why I said you exaggerated.

45 then maybe? After Loki actually dies Thor screams, then says 3 or 4 lines in the gave and then we get the comedy scene with Jane's phone call.

Its barely a minute at best.

[TeeKay]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

I really don't want to talk about this here. But lets just say the first Thor film had plenty of comedy, but it also understood when to take itself seriously. Imagine the Thor/Loki confrontation, arguably the best scene in the MCU, with a more... humorous tone.

Movies like Iron Man, TFA, Thor and the Avengers for the most part understand the mood. When to crack a joke, when to play up the action, when to acknowledge the drama.

That is what I want from TWS.

You're going to be happy, or at least I hope so.

Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

45 then maybe? After Loki actually dies Thor screams, then says 3 or 4 lines in the gave and then we get the comedy scene with Jane's phone call.

Its barely a minute at best.

Over a minute, I'm watching the scene as we speak.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I didn't say that they're never hands on. Please read what I'm posting. They're hands on when things aren't working. When things are going smoothly they let the filmmakers do their thing.

None of the dark elf stuff in Thor 2 works, so I'm not surprised that Marvel pushed Taylor to add more comedy. And brought in new editors, and added that Loki ending at the last minute

That would be because it was written paper thin, and what little meat there was, they removed from the film. As I have said before, you had the perfect reasoning for Thor to abdicate. You had the perfect arc for Thor. Play up what ruling does to man, what they become. You have the perfect examples in Bor, Malekith, Odin and Loki.

But nah, lets do a bit of crappy exposition at the end. Lets contradict the first film plenty. Lets not write any significant moments and scenes with Thor and his mother. Lets have Thor's big plan be all about saving Jane Foster and ignoring that to save the universe, he would have been best listening to his father.

But at least there is Loki.

[MahvelBaby!]

Originally Posted by TeeKay

You're going to be happy, or at least I hope so.



Over a minute, I'm watching the scene as we speak.

Can't get over how much of a missed oppurtunity TDW was Hopefully it will grow on me when I watch it again on blu-ray, they told me in Thor thread it does.

[Crimson King]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

That Taylor had disputes over what was and wasn't cut, the comedy and composer, I'd say they were hands on. That is the very definition of hands-on.

With TDW it isn't that they didn't find the right guy to direct. It is that we will never know, because Marvel wouldn't stop touching. The script situation is the biggest red flag you can have. It was the "Marvel" vision, not Taylor's.

Now I am not saying they don't have the right to do that, and in some cases such things help a production. But that isn't hands off.

Actually, Taylor was the one that retrofitted a lot of the scenes with humor. He thought they needed them to match the Marvel template. Not a good call, to say the least.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by TeeKay

You're going to be happy, or at least I hope so.

Everything I have read and seen indicates this is going to be the great film I have been waiting for from MS. I hope that turns out to be the case.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

That would be because it was written paper thin,

Yes, as I said it was a problem at the script level. No runtime will fix that. That was literally the point I was making

They "meddled" to try and make what they had palatable. But what they had wasn't quite strong enough.

For Thor 3 what they need is a filmmaker with a strong vision for the film, and a much better script. I think we both agree on that

Anyway, sorry for the thread derail. Back to Winter Soldier!

[TeeKay]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

That would be because it was written paper thin, and what little meat there was, they removed from the film. As I have said before, you had the perfect reasoning for Thor to abdicate. You had the perfect arc for Thor. Play up what ruling does to man, what they become. You have the perfect examples in Bor, Malekith, Odin and Loki.

But nah, lets do a bit of crappy exposition at the end. Lets contradict the first film plenty. Lets not write any significant moments and scenes with Thor and his mother. Lets have Thor's big plan be all about saving Jane Foster and ignoring that to save the universe, he would have been best listening to his father.

But at least there is Loki.

I'm watching the film now, Thor says to Odin he'll take Jane to TDW and have Malekith pull the aether from Jane and he'll destroy it. I'm pretty sure he just wasn't thinking about Jane all the time, otherwise we wouldn't have had that confrontation with Malekith at the end. But I agree with you, I would have liked to see more of Thor and Frigga, they actually cut out a scene where the two of them are conversing after she was talking to Loki in prison.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by Crimson King

Actually, Taylor was the one that retrofitted a lot of the scenes with humor. He thought they needed them to match the Marvel template. Not a good call, to say the least.

I have a hard time believing that the Darcy stuff in the final act was his idea, and his idea alone. He has mentioned a tug-o-war on the subject of humor. Considering how he carried tone with his previous work, it makes no sense. I can see him and the crew improvising stuff like Thor not knowing where to put his hammer or the general tone of the opening battle, as it fits. The Darcy stuff is completely detached.

Originally Posted by TeeKay

I'm watching the film now, Thor says to Odin he'll take Jane to TDW and have Malekith pull the aether from Jane and he'll destroy it. I'm pretty sure he just wasn't thinking about Jane all the time, otherwise we wouldn't have had that confrontation with Malekith at the end. But I agree with you, I would have liked to see more of Thor and Frigga, they actually cut out a scene where the two of them are conversing after she was talking to Loki in prison.

Last bit of discussion on the topic. What is safer for the universe, to let the once in many thousand years event pass without putting the Aether in Malekith's hands, or taking the Aether to him right before he might need it?

You sit Jane in the throne room surrounded by Odin and Thor, who know the Dark Elves are coming, and they aren't getting the Aether. No fear of darkness.

Thor's brilliant play placed the universe in danger on two levels. He gave Malekith the Aether and he released Loki back into the wild. Fool.

[Joeyjojo72]

Enough guys. Jebus. Just stop.

[Huddsy]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

I have a hard time believing that the Darcy stuff in the final act was his idea, and his idea alone. He has mentioned a tug-o-war on the subject of humor. Considering how he carried tone with his previous work, it makes no sense. I can see him and the crew improvising stuff like Thor not knowing where to put his hammer or the general tone of the opening battle, as it fits. The Darcy stuff is completely detached.

That was made by Hemsworth. He completely did it out of the blue while on set and it stuck.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by Huddsy

That was made by Hemsworth. He completely did it out of the blue while on set and it stuck.

Nailed it. Damn I am good.

[TeeKay]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

Everything I have read and seen indicates this is going to be the great film I have been waiting for from MS. I hope that turns out to be the case.

Imo it is, well at least what I saw. Given the recent run time, they cut out a few things. Let's see if it holds up to the version I saw anyways.

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

Thor's brilliant play placed the universe in danger on two levels. He gave Malekith the Aether and he released Loki back into the wild. Fool.

Come on cut the guy a break. What you wrote had me rolling man. Fair enough.

[Crimson King]

Originally Posted by Huddsy

That was made by Hemsworth. He completely did it out of the blue while on set and it stuck.

Outside of LokiCap, that was the funniest thing in the movie, IMO.

[Huddsy]

Originally Posted by Crimson King

Outside of LokiCap, that was the funniest thing in the movie, IMO.

I'd love to see the most random nod to it in a future movie. Thor just walks into Stark...er... Avengers Tower and hands the hammer to the girl at the front desk.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by Huddsy

I'd love to see the most random nod to it in a future movie. Thor just walks into Stark...er... Avengers Tower and hands the hammer to the girl at the front desk.

Do you want the poor girl to die?

[TeeKay]

Her arm would probably just fall off.

[Huddsy]

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker

Do you want the poor girl to die?

DARK HUMOR.

[TJByrum]

Originally Posted by Crimson King

Outside of LokiCap, that was the funniest thing in the movie, IMO.

Agreed... but let's get back to Cap shall we?

I read the article up above and....

Now I know how Cap lands... there's no freaking way. That's just so much noise.

[R_Hythlodeus]

This is the worst start for a new thread I've ever seen...

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by TeeKay

Her arm would probably just fall off.

Considering blood loss and shock, dead in seconds.

Originally Posted by Huddsy

DARK HUMOR.

That is Coen brothers dark.

[DarthSkywalker]

Originally Posted by TJByrum

Agreed... but let's get back to Cap shall we?

I read the article up above and....

Now I know how Cap lands... there's no freaking way. That's just so much noise.

Well considering it is Cap, he could land pretty far away and swim to the ship in no time. So I don't think that would be much of a problem.