The SuperHeroHype Forums  

Go Back   The SuperHeroHype Forums > Batman > Batman Begins

View Poll Results: The Best Super hero Origin Movie ?
Batman Begins 42 56.00%
Captain America 5 6.67%
Iron Man 9 12.00%
Spider Man 5 6.67%
Superman The Movie 14 18.67%
Voters: 75. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-12-2013, 09:59 PM   #451
BatLobsterRises
Lobsterized
 
BatLobsterRises's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: NJ
Posts: 6,711
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elevator Man View Post
Count me in with those who aren't a fan of the ending of TDKRises. Even though I understood why Nolan chose to end it that way, which makes sense in the context of that whole trilogy. Plus the ending would've worked better if they hadn't killed Rachel in TDK. And having Bruce spend the rest of his life with her instead of Selina. Afterall at the end of Rises the day has come for Bruce to no longer need Batman so he and Rachel could be together. But apparantly it still does since Blake is taking over. I still wouldn't have been a fan if it went that way either, b/c I see Batman/Bruce as a tragic character. A happily ever after ending for Bruce isn't my cup of tea. Plus crime could erupt anytime in Gotham. As long as there's good there's also evil. Idk how Bruce believes Gotham's in good hands with Blake in charge. A cop without none of Bruce's training, intellect, and skills isn't enough, imo. I'd rather it ended differently without having Bruce retire twice. But it is what it is.
I think the fact that Rachel was dead made the TDKR ending better. The fact that he is able to start anew with Selina signifies that he's moved on from Rachel and can put the past behind him.

If he lived happily ever after with Rachel it'd be a bit too sugary for Batman. The fact that Rachel never lives to see the day that Bruce is able to walk away from the cowl gives the overall story a nice bittersweet touch. I think you need the sadness of Rachel's death in the middle of the story to help the happy ending feel a bit more earned.

__________________
IMAGINE THE FIRE
My TDKR Metal cover
My MOS Trailer 3 score recreation
My take on why there is no "DC Films" Division at WB:
http://forums.superherohype.com/show...&postcount=158
BatLobsterRises is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2013, 01:03 PM   #452
Squaremaster316
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 299
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Even more themes and layers getting discovered with repeat viewings

Henri Ducard: Theatricality and deception are powerful agents.

Later...

Bruce Wayne: You're not Ra's al Ghul. I watched him die.
Henri Ducard: [from behind Bruce Wayne] But is Ra's al Ghul immortal?
[Bruce turns around to face Ducard]
Henri Ducard: Are his methods supernatural?
Bruce Wayne: [to Ducard] Or cheap parlor tricks to conceal your true identity, "Ra's"?
Henri Ducard: Surely, a man who spends his nights scrambling over the rooftops of Gotham wouldn't begrudge me dual identities?


It's so awesome the way they tightly wove a theme together like this. Ghul teaches Bruce all about deception and theatrics while pulling a huge one himself, and it's only due to Bruce's time with Ghul and understanding him on some visceral level that he was able to put two and two together.

Squaremaster316 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2013, 01:58 PM   #453
Senator Pleasury
Banned User
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 2,846
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Squaremaster316 View Post
Even more themes and layers getting discovered with repeat viewings

Henri Ducard: Theatricality and deception are powerful agents.

Later...

Bruce Wayne: You're not Ra's al Ghul. I watched him die.
Henri Ducard: [from behind Bruce Wayne] But is Ra's al Ghul immortal?
[Bruce turns around to face Ducard]
Henri Ducard: Are his methods supernatural?
Bruce Wayne: [to Ducard] Or cheap parlor tricks to conceal your true identity, "Ra's"?
Henri Ducard: Surely, a man who spends his nights scrambling over the rooftops of Gotham wouldn't begrudge me dual identities?


It's so awesome the way they tightly wove a theme together like this. Ghul teaches Bruce all about deception and theatrics while pulling a huge one himself, and it's only due to Bruce's time with Ghul and understanding him on some visceral level that he was able to put two and two together.
Theatricality and deception are clearly a theme in BB, but I doubt it takes repeat viewings to find that one, since it was - as many other themes in BB - verbally explained in several occasions.

What I find is a theme that's not easy to see is 'compassion.' The way Ra's al Ghul taught Bruce about it, the ay Bruce refused to learnt Ra's lesson at first and the way he finally learnt Ra's lesson at the end of the movie.

When talking about compassion:

RA'S/DUCARD: Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share.
BRUCE: That's why it's so important. It separates us from them.

Bruce gets compassion, as not killing, is important because it separates him from the criminals.

Then, later:

BRUCE/BATMAN: I saved your life.
RA'S: I warned you about compassion, Bruce.

Ra's makes his point again when he admits having taken advantage of Bruce's compassion.

And then, on the monorail, Batman seems to be about to kill Ra's:

RA'S: Have you finally learned to do what is necessary? [he refers to killing]
BATMAN: I won't kill you. ... But I don't have to save you.

So, Batman doesn't learnt to kill his enemy, but he learns how to leave his compassion out and leave his enemy to die. A compassionate person feels they have to save people that are about to die. Specially Batman, who believes in justice and not revenge. But in this case Bruce decides to forget about his compassion, he has learnt that lesson from Ra's, although the script makes it sounds he is the same as before.

Many have argued that Batman couldn't save him. If that had been the case, he would have probably said it: I can't save you. But his choice of words reveals his true intentions: I don't have to. Grammatically speaking 'not have to' reveals that you have the chance, but it's not mandatory to do something. Of course the movie doesn't address this point as it would contradict Bruce's reluctance to learn lessons that involve another person'
s death.

Senator Pleasury is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2013, 08:54 AM   #454
the last son
Side-Kick
 
the last son's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,492
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

I absolutely loved watching that Bale audition. Just wished Nolan didn't pat himself on the back every interview for his batman. Anyways the voice was perfect in that tape.

__________________
STAY OUT OF MY TERRITORY
the last son is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2013, 04:41 PM   #455
shauner111
Side-Kick
 
shauner111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 10,250
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by the last son View Post
I absolutely loved watching that Bale audition. Just wished Nolan didn't pat himself on the back every interview for his batman. Anyways the voice was perfect in that tape.
What do you mean?

shauner111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2013, 06:03 PM   #456
the last son
Side-Kick
 
the last son's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,492
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Just acting as if he and Bale invented changing voices. It's been around since live action began for Batman.

__________________
STAY OUT OF MY TERRITORY
the last son is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2013, 06:21 PM   #457
shauner111
Side-Kick
 
shauner111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 10,250
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

I don't think he was saying they invented anything. He was saying Batman needed to have a different voice from Bruce entirely. Usually Keaton or Conroy or whoever will just lower their voice but it still sounds like Bruce...at least to me it does. Bale went the extra mile to make sure the voice was deepened more, to the point where you could never tell who it was.

That's what I got from that.

shauner111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2013, 06:42 PM   #458
Happy Jack
Onion Knight
 
Happy Jack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: The Future
Posts: 6,125
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Nolan was doing nothing but commending Bale for the voice and taking no credit for it in that video. It sounds to me like it was mostly Bale's idea.

__________________
O Captain! My Captain! Rise up and hear the bells.
Rise up, for you the flag is flung, for you the bugle trills.
For you bouquets and ribbon'd wreaths, for you the shores a-crowding.
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning.
Happy Jack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2013, 08:24 PM   #459
the last son
Side-Kick
 
the last son's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,492
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Nolan still acts as if he elevated Batman to new levels and heights that could never be reached without him. Maybe it's just the way he talks, but he just seems so full of himself. Seems like the type of guy to act as if his stories were better than the originals.

__________________
STAY OUT OF MY TERRITORY
the last son is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2013, 06:57 AM   #460
Squaremaster316
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 299
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by the last son View Post
Nolan still acts as if he elevated Batman to new levels and heights that could never be reached without him. Maybe it's just the way he talks, but he just seems so full of himself. Seems like the type of guy to act as if his stories were better than the originals.
They're at least up there with the best that has been written about Batman in the comics

Squaremaster316 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2013, 09:15 AM   #461
shauner111
Side-Kick
 
shauner111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 10,250
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by the last son View Post
Nolan still acts as if he elevated Batman to new levels and heights that could never be reached without him. Maybe it's just the way he talks, but he just seems so full of himself. Seems like the type of guy to act as if his stories were better than the originals.
But he did elevate Batman to new levels, and there's a good possibility that on film, Bats never would have reached those levels. Probably not.

He never once said his stories were better than the originals. I know it sounds like im defending everything about Chris, but I just don't know what you're talking about here.

In my opinion, his stories are just as good and worthy as some of the best in the source material.

shauner111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2013, 09:51 AM   #462
titansupes
Side-Kick
 
titansupes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,855
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

^ Correct, sir.

__________________
I NEVER WANTED YOU TO COME BACK TO GOTHAM.

titansupes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2013, 11:29 AM   #463
the last son
Side-Kick
 
the last son's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,492
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

I think his stories will be reached. Personally give us a new trilogy with heart/Mr. Freeze. crime drama/black mask, thriller mystery/riddler and action/ Joker, theres a new trilogy right there that can easily top his trilogy. Easily.

__________________
STAY OUT OF MY TERRITORY
the last son is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2013, 12:10 PM   #464
Senator Pleasury
Banned User
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 2,846
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by shauner111 View Post
I don't think he was saying they invented anything. He was saying Batman needed to have a different voice from Bruce entirely. Usually Keaton or Conroy or whoever will just lower their voice but it still sounds like Bruce...at least to me it does. Bale went the extra mile to make sure the voice was deepened more, to the point where you could never tell who it was.

That's what I got from that.
When in the bat-cave with Vicky (B89), Batman's voice sounded nothing like Bruce's. But it wasn't so overdone it sounded like throat cancer either, thank God.

This idea of the voice changing has been there for decades before Nolan came to scene.

Senator Pleasury is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2013, 03:19 PM   #465
shauner111
Side-Kick
 
shauner111's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 10,250
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by the last son View Post
I think his stories will be reached. Personally give us a new trilogy with heart/Mr. Freeze. crime drama/black mask, thriller mystery/riddler and action/ Joker, theres a new trilogy right there that can easily top his trilogy. Easily.
Sounds a little too simple to just name a few villains and say there's your trilogy...itll be just as good! It's not how it works. You have to create a story that's worth telling, that's different from what we've seen in terms of themes. What made Nolan's movies great was the directing, the cast, performances, issues they addressed, timing, etc. They CAN create a new trilogy with the characters you named and those genres...but it's extremely difficult to create a good movie out of it or something fresh. We've seen the crime drama for example.

shauner111 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2013, 04:41 PM   #466
Filmfreak
Newbie First Class
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 28
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Whenever I think of a superhero origin -in movies that is- Batman Begins is the first that always springs to mind. The way they handled the character and his motivations while did an in-depth analysis of his alter ego symbolism and his emotional state through various points in his life I think reached perfection.

But for the second one I'd go with X-Men First Class even if it's not entirely one person's origin story it captures the early stages of Xavier and Magneto and the relationship between them amazingly well. Next is Iron Man by a very healthy margin and the rest were pretty much just good for me.

Filmfreak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2013, 08:16 PM   #467
the last son
Side-Kick
 
the last son's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,492
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

I agree. I think Captain America First avenger is up there as far as character motivations. Dude has the heart of a full grown man, but the body of a small one and makes it clear even when he is small he just wants to help stop bad people. He proved he was willing to die for his cause and was awarded a super serum. I'd rank that #2 behind begins as far as motivations.

__________________
STAY OUT OF MY TERRITORY
the last son is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2013, 02:25 PM   #468
NewYorkSpider
We're Doomed
 
NewYorkSpider's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 23,353
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

I wouldn't say it's the best, but it's up there. I thought Captain America's was the best.

NewYorkSpider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2014, 02:52 PM   #469
Hordakfan
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Santa Ana California
Posts: 461
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Begins and Superman TM followed by IM

Hordakfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2014, 09:19 PM   #470
redfirebird2008
Side-Kick
 
redfirebird2008's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 15,829
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by the last son View Post
Seems like the type of guy to act as if his stories were better than the originals.
Well, maybe they were. Every interview I've seen of him, he seems pretty humbled to have had a chance to work on a character with such a strong history.

redfirebird2008 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2014, 04:48 PM   #471
The_Manhunter
Side-Kick
 
The_Manhunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 484
Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

It is close, I only like Man of Steel more. I guess you can count Avengers as well, as it is the origin of the team.

The_Manhunter is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:09 AM.

monitoring_string = "dee460792f24517621e3ca080805de7e"
Contact Us - Mobile - SuperHeroHype - ComingSoon.net - Shock Till You Drop - Lost Password - Clear Cookies - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Top - AdChoices


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SuperHeroHype.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.