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I'm not saying he should have been an expert at it or anything, but I don't think he needed to be quite so incompetent or easily defeated. Unless we want to open up the "Kevin Costner was a horrible father" can of worms, which I don't quite yet.
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He acted as if he had never been in a situation like that before, which he wasn't. He was just inexperienced. That's more realistic. I found that to be a breath of fresh air.
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It just baffles me that for the first time like ever in superhero cinema we finally get a truly epic looking superpowered battle and people do nothing but complain about it. Its entertainment, people. Sit back and enjoy it. Snyder did one heck of a job constructing a visually stunning brawl between two super powered beings. I would LOVE to see what he could do with a Superman vs Darkseid battle. Last edited by kguillou; 04-20-2014 at 10:25 PM. |
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Like i said, i dont like grades but if i had to give a 10, then the only movie i can think of is Blade Runner.
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If you meant to say something other than the above to reflect how you got Sucker Punch according to what Zack stated he was trying to do with the film, then I am sorry I missed wherever you typed such a thing. This is not directed to you specifically, most of the non-likers posted similar quick dismissals of the movie for very superficial reasons, showing they did not get the film at all. The best I can offer is how I saw the film, if that helps seeing the various points of view on the subject. I saw Sucker Punch as the story of a girl who failed in an effort to protect her sister from a sexually abusive father figure that was thrust upon them by tragic circumstances. She was not only blamed and institutionalized by that abusive father figure, but also self-blamed for her sister's end. To cope with the horrible world within the institution of more abusive males in charge, and also to cope with what she has lived through so far, her mind creates quite fantastical layers of imagination that her and her new cohabitants exist within. Her fantastical imaginary world even within a slightly imaginary world, is displayed to us in an amazing visionary I see as a live action version of some pretty cool anime at that last layer of coping. One coping world is the implied sex club(just a tad step up from the institution, so level 1 of coping), which actually is not fully shown thankfully due to the interjection of the next coping world done in the anime style. The skimpy outfits, schoolgirl(which is befitting a very young looking little girl nicknamed BabyDoll) or otherwise, are very superficial to what each of those characters accomplish in that last layer imaginary world, where they can be at their most confident and powerful. ----interjection----- As you I'm sure know women at their most confident and secure level in their own bodies will wear things much more revealing compared to when they are at a lower confidence. As much as some prefer to superficially focus on outfits in the movie, I do not view that as a problem...there was not one bit of actual nudity or sex even displayed in this movie. And frankly the outfits of the final heroine level were more tasteful than plenty of Wonder Woman outfits that have been penned. In the world of movies, tv, and media in general, EVERYONE prefers to look at aesthetically pleasing people. Man or woman, doesn't matter... and it is proven in studies that even women will gaze longer at an aesthetically attractive woman as long as any man would, if not longer. ------------------- In the end the girl, coping in a horrible world with various levels of imagination, finally does sacrifice/redeem herself in saving one of her newly adopted sisters in situation. Her imaginary layers of worlds is ended by the lobotomy, but even in that state we still get to see a tidbit of retribution on another abusive male in the horrible "real" world, as well as a helping hand bus driver to the saved "sister" who just so happens to be a "real" world representation of her only good father figure deep in the most fantastical layer of coping imagination. That's what I got out of it, and that is why I liked Sucker Punch. I don't intend to force my view of it on anyone, I'd just prefer if someone asks if they should watch it, that they get more than a quick superficial retort as to why they shouldn't waste their time from only the people who didn't seem to get it the same way I did. |
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I think Snyder did great at showing how badly an inexperienced fighter would do up against someone with honed skills approaching a similar power level. By your theory, you should be able step into an MMA ring with a jiujitsu expert the same size as you, having never actually fought anyone in your entire life and end up winning by choking him out in two rounds because you happening to watch kung-fu theater as a kid on Sundays. If you watched the movie without any prejudice you may have seen the rest of his life showing how much fighting he never did until the moment krypto-fu was laid upon him. I agree with the folks here stating the movie showed Superman did the best he could against the foes in this one. |
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Just FYI Zod let Superman kill him.
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Yeah, I'd agree with that to a point... he probably could've reversal-ed that and kept going, but he had no purpose anymore anyway and still needed to go out on a glorious battle high note thanks to his breeding.
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This. It's amazing how people missed this subtle detail. He wanted the Kryptonian council to kill him, only to have him banished to a prison (meaning he witnessed the destruction of his planet and its people...which makes him purposeless to an extent). Kal-El denied his wish to have Krypton revived (meaning that Zod witnessed the destruction of his only hope of reviving Krypton and the death of his fellow members, making him fully useless...so much so that he'd rather die than live with no purpose).
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"There is only one way this ends, Kal, either you die or I do." He definitely wanted to die. Probably would have killed himself anyway if he managed to kill Superman. His sole purpose at that point was to destroy Superman, maybe he realized that making the boy scout kill was another way of destroying him. |
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![]() That would be a hilarious alternate ending... Zod reversals on Supes, beats him, wipes out everyone else, then snaps his own neck...the end. Nobody could argue their "tone" issues anymore at that point. |
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Got it... sorry I misread.
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NEVER FORGET... IT'S ALWAYS DARKEST BEFORE THE DAWN! #TheDawnIsComing #UniteTheSeven "I think the whole thing with Kryptonite is that it's an easy way out, but if you want to destroy Superman, you BREAK his heart" -Hans Zimmer Last edited by John-An; 04-27-2014 at 09:03 PM. |
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There's already a thread on the topic.
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So this movie is leading directly into Justice League.
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Maybe they'll go the Pirates of the Caribbean/The Hobbit route and shoot Justice League 1 and 2 back to back. |
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With Affleck's age in mind, and Batman being such a central character to the Justice League. I can't see JL being a trilogy like the Avengers. Perhaps WB just wants to get the DCCU over with Man of Steel, BvS, and the Justice League (with origin movies). So, in other words, it would be equivalent to Marvel's Phase I.
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YES!! I will finally see the Justice league one day. lol
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i really hope Affleck will direct a hero movie one day
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