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Old 04-22-2014, 07:53 PM   #751
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I personally had no problem with the colors, save for a couple of scenes, but I do hope they are ever so slightly more saturated in BvS. I am in no way a fan of the over saturated looks of TA and TASM2, but there's some middle ground to be had between those and MOS. And it is gorgeous on bluray Harley

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Someone gets to explain VLC to me .
A DVD playback software with lots of codecs (including BluRay, I heard). You can download it here. http://www.videolan.org/index.html

Just click tools-effects and filters-Video Effects.

Then adjust the brightness/saturation/gamma until Supes looks like a normal Caucasian male in terms of skin tone

These are my settings.



And go from here..



To here.

The outdoor scenes are beautiful to watch, though the explosions are a little too bright and the flares are a bit more noticeable. Though seeing Superman's cape as bright red and his costume as dark blue is worth it

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Yeah, if you simply adjust whatever you're using to watch the film, everything looks better. People don't look like they rarely see the sun or are sick.

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A DVD playback software with lots of codecs (including BluRay, I heard). You can download it here. http://www.videolan.org/index.html

Just click tools-effects and filters-Video Effects.

Then adjust the brightness/saturation/gamma until Supes looks like a normal Caucasian male in terms of skin tone

These are my settings.



And go from here..



To here.

The outdoor scenes are beautiful to watch, though the explosions are a little too bright and the flares are a bit more noticeable. Though seeing Superman's cape as bright red and his costume as dark blue is worth it
Is your copy of the DVD bad or something?

This is what the same scene looks like on mine without any hue or saturation changes. Of course, the final screenshot you posted is brighter, but the original is not as dull as the one you posted


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A DVD playback software with lots of codecs (including BluRay, I heard). You can download it here. http://www.videolan.org/index.html

Just click tools-effects and filters-Video Effects.

Then adjust the brightness/saturation/gamma until Supes looks like a normal Caucasian male in terms of skin tone

These are my settings.



And go from here..



To here.

The outdoor scenes are beautiful to watch, though the explosions are a little too bright and the flares are a bit more noticeable. Though seeing Superman's cape as bright red and his costume as dark blue is worth it
You have now convinced me to use VLC to watch DVDs more often.

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Ok this is getting ridiculous,

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Amir did a great job and is legendary. There will be some of his influence present, plus some extra surprises!

Larry Fong is 50 percent troll and legit commentator. But this is one tweet I'm really excited about

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They are all trolls, and they are all enjoying it.

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I liked the naturalistic photography of MOS. Rewatching it, the way the camera moves in tighter like someone walking towards someone gives it a sense of immersion most CBM's cannot touch. Though he did go whipzoom crazy on Krypton

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I liked the naturalistic photography of MOS. Rewatching it, the way the camera moves in tighter like someone walking towards someone gives it a sense of immersion most CBM's cannot touch. Though he did go whipzoom crazy on Krypton
I agree. I even liked some of the zooms:



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Someone needs to explain why Snyder wanted those blah colors in MOS to me.
I don't know for sure what his reasons were. My educated guess is that he, along with others involved in the film's production, felt non-fans and once-in-a-while fans would only take Superman more seriously if the character was grounded in a very specific type of reality, one that is both dark and gloomy.

This endeavor sort of backfired, though. Like I was recently explaining to someone in another thread, it's part of the reason why MoS took a lot more criticism for showing stuff that other superhero films generally get away with. Now, I'm not suggesting Snyder should strive to make all of his comic-to-film adaptations more comedy-oriented (like Thor 2), but let's be honest: most people, I think, want to leave a film based on Superman (one of the most altruistic characters of all time) feeling uplifted, and creating a mood that's too dark takes away from that to some extent.

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I'm going to stop posting tweets after this, because I don't want to stink up the forums with bull*****.

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Someone should tell him Eisenberg is in New Orleans filming a movie right now.

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I don't know for sure what his reasons were. My educated guess is that he, along with others involved in the film's production, felt non-fans and once-in-a-while fans would only take Superman more seriously if the character was grounded in a very specific type of reality, one that is both dark and gloomy.

This endeavor sort of backfired, though. Like I was recently explaining to someone in another thread, it's part of the reason why MoS took a lot more criticism for showing stuff that other superhero films generally get away with. Now, I'm not suggesting Snyder should strive to make all of his comic-to-film adaptations more comedy-oriented (like Thor 2), but let's be honest: most people, I think, want to leave a film based on Superman (one of the most altruistic characters of all time) feeling uplifted, and creating a mood that's too dark takes away from that to some extent.
Funny enough, I think MOS should have started as an uplifting film, with sequels that gradually got darker (with higher stakes) as they went along.

Now I hope they have a more balanced tone, but I think the "not enough humor" complaint kind of stems from preconceptions of what the superhero genre SHOULD be. Yes, I think MOS could have benefited from a few more funny moments. But should a film be considered bad for not being funny enough outside of the comedy genre?

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Funny enough, I think MOS should have started as an uplifting film, with sequels that gradually got darker (with higher stakes) as they went along.

Now I hope they have a more balanced tone, but I think the "not enough humor" complaint kind of stems from preconceptions of what the superhero genre SHOULD be. Yes, I think MOS could have benefited from a few more funny moments. But should a film be considered bad for not being funny enough outside of the comedy genre?
A little humor is fine, but I think it should be applied in moderation. Like you said, the key is to achieving a "more balanced" tone. If you're looking for your film to stand out based on the performance of one or more serious leading characters, I think it helps if you make use of other art forms (e.g., music, color, etc.) to lighten the mood a bit. When everything seems to point in one direction, though, it can feel a little overwhelming.

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1) Probably so it didn't look like yet another tv movie, but rather something distinct if not over done.

2) Cue the many scenes in which MOS didn't have the 'blah' colour palette.
The thing that bothers me about complaints of this nature with any film is that any movie worth it's salt tends to have a wide variety of colour palettes as the films rolls through, often times specific to mood or location. See begins, see blade see Xmen, see bay, see cameron....etc.

For example

Why he chose to pull a Begins and shoot his winter scenes in such a way...who knows, perhaps it's a visualist thing. Number one criticism with MOS criticism, 'generalization'.

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I don't know for sure what his reasons were. My educated guess is that he, along with others involved in the film's production, felt non-fans and once-in-a-while fans would only take Superman more seriously if the character was grounded in a very specific type of reality, one that is both dark and gloomy.

This endeavor sort of backfired, though. Like I was recently explaining to someone in another thread, it's part of the reason why MoS took a lot more criticism for showing stuff that other superhero films generally get away with. Now, I'm not suggesting Snyder should strive to make all of his comic-to-film adaptations more comedy-oriented (like Thor 2), but let's be honest: most people, I think, want to leave a film based on Superman (one of the most altruistic characters of all time) feeling uplifted, and creating a mood that's too dark takes away from that to some extent.
You are correct. I think certain things about MOS, like the colors and the presence of Nolan as a producer, caused a gut reaction and/or over-reaction in some folks with these "They made Superman into batman" or "superman never smiled/moped the whole time" comments. Both are unfounded and yet people are utterly convinced. There are some other (more legit) factors that could be considered dark (harshness of superman's upbringing/his parents fears, etc.), but complaints about those are mixed in with the unfounded "superman never smiles" type complaints.

I prefer a more serious tone that only the last few DC films have provided, so I don't want any Thor 2 type humor. However, serious doesn't have to be grim. Something can be both serious and uplifting. I also hope for some non-cheesy humor in this film by way of Daily Planet and Clois scenes that I really hope they include.

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I liked Mokri's cinematography in MOS, it was refreshing to see something different, something naturalistic, only issue i have is the over use of hand held shakey cam.

If Larry Fong can bring in some elements of Mokri's filming style (minus shaky cam) I will welcome it.

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This one worked great in context, but wow it looks hilarious in this gif.

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1) Probably so it didn't look like yet another tv movie, but rather something distinct if not over done.

2) Cue the many scenes in which MOS didn't have the 'blah' colour palette.
The thing that bothers me about complaints of this nature with any film is that any movie worth it's salt tends to have a wide variety of colour palettes as the films rolls through, often times specific to mood or location. See begins, see blade see Xmen, see bay, see cameron....etc.

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Why he chose to pull a Begins and shoot his winter scenes in such a way...who knows, perhaps it's a visualist thing. Number one criticism with MOS criticism, 'generalization'.
Many shots in MOS still looked beautiful, even with less than perfect saturation choices. This shot is a great example. It's awesome, but I still think the film could have looked better with more saturation overall. It's not that MOS looked bad; it's that it wasn't as great as something greater.

Check out the difference between these two (awesome) shots:


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Many shots in MOS still looked beautiful, even with less than perfect saturation choices. This shot is a great example. It's awesome, but I still think the film could have looked better with more saturation overall. It's not that MOS looked bad; it's that it wasn't as great as something greater.

Check out the difference between these two (awesome) shots:

That gif reminds me why Cavill was the perfect choice to embody Supes. Dude completely owns the role. And yep, I hope we see a bit more color in BvS than in MoS.

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