The SuperHeroHype Forums  

Go Back   The SuperHeroHype Forums > Iron Man > Iron Man Sequels

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-08-2013, 04:35 AM   #76
Dasher10
Side-Kick
 
Dasher10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 979
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Either bring back Mandarin (Killian) or use one of the following:

Ghost
Spymaster
Living Laser
Mauler
Madam Masque
Iron Monger 2.0

Or they could just bring back Justin Hammer and have him team up with Blizzard.

Dasher10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2013, 12:10 AM   #77
psylockolussus
The X-Men 5 Advocator!
 
psylockolussus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The future, where else would I be?
Posts: 17,852
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

I would like to see Madam Masque!

__________________
X-MEN RI5E' MUTANT OF THE MONTH | ICEMAN | PORTRAYED BY SHAWN ASHMORE
"Welcome to mutant high" - X1
"Call me Iceman" - X2
"Don't ever do that again" - X3
"They'll find us they'll always do" - X4
JOIN MY ADVOCACY ON www.twitter.com/xmen5movie2018/
psylockolussus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2013, 07:50 PM   #78
ericadawn16
Side-Kick
 
ericadawn16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Tampa Bay
Posts: 511
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

I'm not sure I want Madame Masque without Kate Bishop, that's an awesome storyline right now.

ericadawn16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2013, 12:53 PM   #79
BatsDC
Cold-Blooded
 
BatsDC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 907
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

I've been thinking, and I'd really like Ghost to be the main villain in IM4. He could be a background villain, seemingly a henchman to whoever's out front (Hammer, Blizzard etc.) then, toward the end of the second act, have him betray and kill (for maximum impact) the main villain, and have him reveal his own motives. Have him cold and completely unlikable, and he could be the first great IM movie villain.

__________________
A God Called Sparkles?
BatsDC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2013, 09:00 PM   #80
DrCosmic
Professor of Power
 
DrCosmic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: In the Moment
Posts: 5,597
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Ghost is so awesome. He's gotta be included, he's an incredible fight scene waiting to happen with some pretty awesome psychoses. His ability to create uber-stealth armor, and that ability/tech being mega-manned by Stark makes for a great arc/story.

Madame Masque provides a great foil to Tony, and works well as a romantic interest. Having Count Nefaria as a sick powered individual in the background works well as a follow up to the whole MCU Extremis powers issue. Hiring Ghost as her muscle, even if he betrays her, works for a great storyline... especially if that was her plan all along.

__________________
WW TV Show Ideas - X-Men TV Show Ideas -
With a Ph.D in Metascience
"Sufficiently understood magic is indistinguishable from science."
DrCosmic is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2013, 06:59 PM   #81
palewest
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 37
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by kaijunexus View Post
I personally don't think we'll be getting an Iron Man 4 until Phase 4 at the earliest. I have a feelings Phase 3 will consist of mostly new franchises.

But when Iron Man 4 does happen, and I'm sure it will at some point...I think Radioactive Man would be an interesting villain since he's already appearing in IM3 in some capacity...
Yeah, RDJ's new contract is for Avengers 2 and 3, so any new Iron Man films would happen after that at the earliest.

And Iron Man 3 set up Radioactive Man and Fing Fang Foom for possible development, didn't it?

Do you think the title will be "Iron Man 4" or will they start to use subtitles like all the rest of the characters?

What about a War Machine spin-off?

palewest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2013, 08:40 PM   #82
kaijunexus
===---- ゴジラ 2014 ----===
 
kaijunexus's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 1,405
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by palewest View Post
Do you think the title will be "Iron Man 4" or will they start to use subtitles like all the rest of the characters?
I would imagine that Iron Man 4 will have a subtitle instead of the sequel numeral. This would both keep it in line with the Marvel Studios subtitle trend for sequels while also distancing the film slightly from RDJ's Iron Man trilogy (since it's a safe bet that Tony Stark will be recast for IM4).

Quote:
What about a War Machine spin-off?
It's looking pretty doubtful at this point, I think. There's so many fresh characters that could be introduced in those coveted film slots...Rhodey is probably best utilized in the Iron Man (maybe even Avengers) films.

__________________
Phase 1 >>> IM - TIH - IM2 - Thor - CA: TFA - The Avengers
Phase 2 >>> IM3 - Thor: TDW - AoS - Agent Carter - CA: TWS - GotG - Avengers: Age of Ultron
Phase 3 >>> Ant-Man - Daredevil - Jessica Jones - Luke Cage - Iron Fist - The Defenders

ゴジラ

Last edited by kaijunexus; 08-25-2013 at 08:53 PM.
kaijunexus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2013, 07:04 AM   #83
Dasher10
Side-Kick
 
Dasher10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 979
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

I'd actually want to see Zeke Stane be the villain. There could be an interesting thread about him wanting to avenge his father's death by taking out Iron Man and he could employ Ghost to do it.

Dasher10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 03:53 PM   #84
DarthDaveBanner
Side-Kick
 
DarthDaveBanner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Lan-dahn
Posts: 1,014
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Yeeeah, definitely get Ezekiel Stane in I think. Gives us a link to the first movie (maybe finally explaining the whole story of the ten rings) plus we could get one of the lesser armoured villains in as a henchman.

__________________
You look upset. I like that.
DarthDaveBanner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 04:02 PM   #85
Lord
All Mighty
 
Lord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,560
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Ezekiel Stane and the Mandarin's return (Killian) are defenitelly things i hope to see in one of the next Iron Man movies, with all the events going on and RDJ probably being recast i think they should start to make the character more mature, this way the next actor doesn't need to try to be the quirky RDJ Tony Stark and can instead be more like his comic book version, while still keeping traces of the old Tony Stark of course.

__________________
STAR WARS
Returns 2015


Quote:
Originally Posted by childeroland View Post
Plenty of male-led action films fail, yet the actors' gender is not blamed. Why should it be different for women? Especially since far more male-led action films are made than female-led action films?
Lord is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2013, 06:16 PM   #86
Victarion
Dolt
 
Victarion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 11,893
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

I'd like to see Ghost exploiting the remnants of Mandarin's lackeys.

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin Trevorrow
But with all this talk of filmmakers “ruining our childhood”, we forget that right now is someone else’s childhood. This is their time.
Victarion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2013, 04:22 PM   #87
DaddlerTheDalek
Starship Captain
 
DaddlerTheDalek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Germany, NRW
Posts: 703
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Ezekiel would be a Badass Villain, that's true.

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tails
You're watching a Poster!
DaddlerTheDalek is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-2014, 07:52 PM   #88
JeriShowMiz095
HAIL HYDRA!
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 15
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Yeah, Zeke Stane looking for revenge and the Mandarin looking for cleaning his name. Both of them are escellent picks.

JeriShowMiz095 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2014, 11:54 AM   #89
The Overlord
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 7,306
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by JeriShowMiz095 View Post
Yeah, Zeke Stane looking for revenge and the Mandarin looking for cleaning his name. Both of them are escellent picks.
The Mandarin still has the same problems he did before, he is a villain who many see as a ethnic stereotype and would be a hard sell to the Chinese market. Also for someone who supposed to be Iron Man's greatest villain, most of the great Iron Man stories do not involve him and there is no real interesting dynamics in their rivalry.

The Overlord is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2014, 09:32 PM   #90
Ant-manic
Banned User
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 4,019
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Overlord View Post
The Mandarin still has the same problems he did before, he is a villain who many see as a ethnic stereotype and would be a hard sell to the Chinese market. Also for someone who supposed to be Iron Man's greatest villain, most of the great Iron Man stories do not involve him and there is no real interesting dynamics in their rivalry.
yeah but he's all Stark's got. he's the only Iron Man villain with the potential to be on the Red Skull or Loki's level. and ruthlessness shouldn't be an ethnic stereotype. if we're just talking about his look, that can change. nothing says that he has to wear a long flowing robe or a long mustache. he just has to be asian and be someone who could believabl kick Iron Man's rear. maybe he could, phenotypically, look asian but be a mishmash of several conquerors/generals of several cultures (like Serpentor). and you balance it out by having chinese heroes in the movie; alongside Tony.

Ant-manic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2014, 11:24 AM   #91
Fudgie
Banned User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,197
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dasher10 View Post
Either bring back Mandarin (Killian) or use one of the following:

Ghost
Spymaster
Living Laser
Mauler
Madam Masque
Iron Monger 2.0

Or they could just bring back Justin Hammer and have him team up with Blizzard.
Man I've never heard of any of those. Who's Ghost? Is he actually a ghost?

Fudgie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2014, 04:30 PM   #92
The Overlord
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 7,306
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant-manic View Post
yeah but he's all Stark's got. he's the only Iron Man villain with the potential to be on the Red Skull or Loki's level. and ruthlessness shouldn't be an ethnic stereotype. if we're just talking about his look, that can change. nothing says that he has to wear a long flowing robe or a long mustache. he just has to be asian and be someone who could believabl kick Iron Man's rear. maybe he could, phenotypically, look asian but be a mishmash of several conquerors/generals of several cultures (like Serpentor). and you balance it out by having chinese heroes in the movie; alongside Tony.
I think a Chinese villain will be a hard sell in Mainland China no matter what and was created as a Yellow Peril villain, so its been hard for him to completely remove that element from him.

I could get beyond that, if I thought Mandarin was an interesting character, but he isn't. Whenever people here talk about the Mandarin, they always talk about archetypical stuff, his fighting ability or scientific genius, but they never talk deeper character stuff: Why does he want to talk over the world? What kind of moral boundaries does he have if any? Does he have a sense of honor or is he just a pure evil monster? Why is he Iron Man's arch nemesis instead of any other hero out there?


That is the big problem with Mandarin, he has no consistent personality, is it hard for him to be an effective foil for Iron Man. Sometimes he is anti technology and sometimes he isn't, sometimes he has a noble foe with a sense of honor, other times he is a pure evil monster. So what is the Mandarin exactly?

He is such an archetype, that I can make him into a Captain America foe and barely change anything. I find there is no real interesting dynamic between Iron Man and Mandarin and they have been at this for 50 years, you think they could have given their rivalry some sort of depth or emotional resonance.

At least guys like Ra's Al Ghul and Magneto have a consistent ideology they use to justify their quests for world domination, I have no idea what Mandarin's deal is and why he wants to take over the world.

I think Spymaster has managed to hurt Tony more when killed happy Hogan.

The writers really try harder with this guy, he already has a few strikes against him due his dubious origins, so changing his personality story to story is not helping him.

The Overlord is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2014, 10:13 AM   #93
Sexy Magician
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 142
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Not sure why, but I always liked Crimson Dynamo

Sexy Magician is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2014, 12:46 PM   #94
marcvader
Lurker #1
 
marcvader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: The MIA
Posts: 8,746
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexy Magician View Post
Not sure why, but I always liked Crimson Dynamo
Me too. Of all the armored enemies, I liked him most.

__________________
* * *CAPTAIN AMERICA* * *
******THE WINTER SOLDIER******
__________________#1 CBM of 2014____________________
Twitter- @mrpink13
HAIL HYDRA!
marcvader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2014, 04:16 PM   #95
The Overlord
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 7,306
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexy Magician View Post
Not sure why, but I always liked Crimson Dynamo
The thing is, Whiplash in Iron Man 2 was a combination of Whiplash and the Crimson Dynamo, Vanko was the surname of the first Crimson Dynamo. I'm not sure how they can they can have the Crimson Dynamo in a movie, without making him seem redundant.

The Overlord is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2014, 04:31 PM   #96
Lord
All Mighty
 
Lord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,560
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Simple, as i suggested before, add in Titanium Man and Radioactive Man to form the


__________________
STAR WARS
Returns 2015


Quote:
Originally Posted by childeroland View Post
Plenty of male-led action films fail, yet the actors' gender is not blamed. Why should it be different for women? Especially since far more male-led action films are made than female-led action films?
Lord is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2014, 04:38 PM   #97
jonathancrane
I love Marvel, DC & EC!
 
jonathancrane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Caverns in Arkham Island
Posts: 6,762
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

@Lord

That would be sweet!

__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Aaron
"I've known since I first took over the series that I wanted to eventually have someone else pick up the hammer," says the writer. "It's kind of a time-honored Thor tradition at this point, isn't it? Going back to the days of Beta Ray Bill."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Johns
“At DC, we really see film and TV as separate worlds."
jonathancrane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2014, 05:43 PM   #98
The Overlord
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 7,306
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord View Post
Simple, as i suggested before, add in Titanium Man and Radioactive Man to form the

Wait, weren't they the communist super villains who helped Vietcong in the Vietnam war? Isn't that really dated?

Plus why would Radioactive Man still be a villain? That's the problem with the character, he represents China-US relations in the 1960s, instead of today. Plus do you really think Radioactive Man as some cliched bad guy would be a good way to get into the Chinese market?

Radioactive Man should be more like anti hero, he is a Chinese patriot


I don't mean to be a spoil sport, but let's face, the lame cold War propaganda tool villains are a fad that is past left in the past. They are not even good propaganda characters, I don't see how attacking Iron Man promotes a workers revolution or furthers the international dictatorship of the proletariat.

Most of them don't seem to have a personality beyond "I am a communist, so I must destroy [inset hero's name here]." Its hardly an Orwell level criticism of communism.

This why Iron Man's rogues gallery kinda sucked in the first place, it was tied to the Cold War and whenever Marvel tried to Cold war related stories, but was usually lame, viewing the cold War through a rather childish and naive lens, with unironic cliched bad guys and very simplistic black and white story telling style. That is why these characters have not aged well.

The Overlord is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2014, 03:48 AM   #99
Lord
All Mighty
 
Lord's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,560
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

Crimson Dynamo and Black Widow were also Russian, you can easily change where they're from, in this case their names aren't even racist like the Mandarin.

__________________
STAR WARS
Returns 2015


Quote:
Originally Posted by childeroland View Post
Plenty of male-led action films fail, yet the actors' gender is not blamed. Why should it be different for women? Especially since far more male-led action films are made than female-led action films?
Lord is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2014, 06:39 AM   #100
marcvader
Lurker #1
 
marcvader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: The MIA
Posts: 8,746
Default Re: The villain(s) of IM4 thread

I really wouldn't mind a Madame Masque/brains Dynamo/brawn pairing if they're not going to do Mandarin. Id even throw Living Laser in there for good measure.

__________________
* * *CAPTAIN AMERICA* * *
******THE WINTER SOLDIER******
__________________#1 CBM of 2014____________________
Twitter- @mrpink13
HAIL HYDRA!
marcvader is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:29 PM.

monitoring_string = "dee460792f24517621e3ca080805de7e"
Contact Us - Mobile - SuperHeroHype - ComingSoon.net - Shock Till You Drop - Lost Password - Clear Cookies - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Top - AdChoices


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SuperHeroHype.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.