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Old 02-02-2014, 06:14 AM   #51
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Ok but when i started this thread i was talking about using such characters as Killer Croc or Clayface. Or even Mr. Freeze. Not Batman himself, who i agree is kinda fantastic too.

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Old 02-02-2014, 07:28 AM   #52
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But depending on what your beliefs are, there is probably more chance of their being an alien species out in the vast expanse of the universe than there is of a human being being on the level of comic book Batman
Yeah, it's more probable the existence of something we don't know if exists or not that the existence of something for sure exists, perhaps not exactly like shown in the comics but yes in its concept. Brilliant reasoning, yes.

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Batman, for maybe a day or two before he winds up like his parents. Also, he'll only have a fraction of any quality that the comic Batman has, to the point where he'd be more like Phoenix Jones than Batman.

Nevermind that, realism has little to do with what's real. It's more about simulating reality, and Superman's mythos does that better. Batman's treads to close to the Uncanny Valley and thus it comes out less realistic.
So you're giving me the reason: Batman can exist, Superman (for what we know about the universe) not. And I'm not talking about the specific stories of the comics (most of which are mediocre for me), but about the character's concept.

And about the Uncanny Valley, I think I understand what you mean: Batman mythos is more difficult to believe than Superman's because it consists in grotesque characters in a realistic context, while Superman is pure fantasy and for that reason is more consistent. It's an interesting point, but I don't agree because you're missing the key point: Batman talks about reality, Superman not. Batman is an exaggerated hyperbole about society, and each villain (because I consider Bruce Wayne himself is a villain) represents a kind of real violence: Batman the violence of police, Joker the gratuitous violence, Two Faces the violence of legal system, Penguin the violence of greed... This is what makes him far more realistic not just than Superman but than all superheroes.


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Old 03-11-2014, 07:17 AM   #53
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It isn't. It makes it hyper realistic. What makes it unrealistic is that he's everything at once. But the things he masters in can all be accomplished. A few of those things can even be accomplished at the same time. It's not anywhere near as fantastical as an alien from some planet who can fly and do the things he does.

Even if you say it's a fantasy. Fine. But it's a much more relatable fantasy than Superman that's for damn sure. He's human. Clark is an alien. End of story.

Or Clark is an everyman farm boy and Bruce is a insanely rich kid
Myself being from a small town, adopted and trying to be basically a decent guy, I always related to Superman much much more. I still love Batman though.

I think Batman fits fine into the world of crazies and gothic noir he immersed. If properly done, it creates a nice dark believable reality. Superman's takes a little more suspension of disbelief but no more than many popular SF and fantasy franchises.

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Old 04-23-2014, 09:17 AM   #54
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I loved Clayface's depiction in BTAS, Mr. Freeze's too. I really do enjoy the dark tone present in the Nolan trilogy though.

I'll probably be happy with whatever route they decide to go with, Batman's Batman.

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Old 04-23-2014, 09:22 AM   #55
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I loved Clayface's depiction in BTAS, Mr. Freeze's too. I really do enjoy the dark tone present in the Nolan trilogy though.

I'll probably be happy with whatever route they decide to go with, Batman's Batman.
Agreed, as long as they don't go camp.

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Old 05-04-2014, 12:54 PM   #56
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This is a fantastic thread. Best read I've had on here in a long time. To answer the original post: I am totally ready for Batman to go fantastic, supernatural. I'd love to see a Batman who reacts to the newfound strangeness in the world, in his life. The TDK trilogy has it's moments but for me they are fleeting. I can appreciate the first two films, but I'm ready for some fantasy mixed in. I hope this is the path taken. Make it a real world setting. I remember the huge gothic statues, crazy buildings and structures that made up Gotham in the Schumacher films. Too much, too campy by far. Nolan gave us a believable Gotham, much like the world in MOS was very believable. Bring the freaks into that. Give me the Monk, Hugo Strange and his genetic freaks, a Man-bat, I'm ready for some comic book thrills.

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Old 05-04-2014, 01:49 PM   #57
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This is a fantastic thread. Best read I've had on here in a long time. To answer the original post: I am totally ready for Batman to go fantastic, supernatural. I'd love to see a Batman who reacts to the newfound strangeness in the world, in his life. The TDK trilogy has it's moments but for me they are fleeting. I can appreciate the first two films, but I'm ready for some fantasy mixed in. I hope this is the path taken. Make it a real world setting. I remember the huge gothic statues, crazy buildings and structures that made up Gotham in the Schumacher films. Too much, too campy by far. Nolan gave us a believable Gotham, much like the world in MOS was very believable. Bring the freaks into that. Give me the Monk, Hugo Strange and his genetic freaks, a Man-bat, I'm ready for some comic book thrills.
Thanks. And i totally agree with your post!

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Old 05-04-2014, 02:05 PM   #58
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I doubt the Batfleck universe will have things like monsters, Man-Bat, Clayface and all that stuff.

We'll have to wait til at least the mid-2020's for something like that. The Re-Re-reboot!

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Old 05-04-2014, 02:26 PM   #59
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I doubt the Batfleck universe will have things like monsters, Man-Bat, Clayface and all that stuff.

We'll have to wait til at least the mid-2020's for something like that. The Re-Re-reboot!
Yeah, somehow i dont think those things are gonna make it in the Ben Affleck-era. Oh, well you can hope. I still think that a cameo scene in Arkham Asylum would be the best way to include some of the more fantastic characters.

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Old 05-04-2014, 02:35 PM   #60
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Here's a few quotes from a discussion i had about Clayface with Nam rorriM, it's from the Story Ideas thread http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=461873

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I've been thinking...One way to cover Batman villains is to have a quick cameo of them in Arkham Asylum. Surely better than nothing? Just a quick glimpse of Clayface in a padded cell would be cool, the general audience would be like "WTF is that?! " but us fans would know.
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I suppose that way they could gauge the publics response to certain villains and then go down that avenue if they wanted. Time to give the joker a ten year holiday ....
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Just imagine batman passing batman in a cell, for it to shift back into clayface for a close up scare as he pounds the window..
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Old 05-04-2014, 06:10 PM   #61
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I don't know if "fantastical" is the right word, but I wouldn't mind incorporating the sci-fi elements so we could get villains like Freeze and Poison Ivy. Just to add some spectacle and variety to it.

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Mr Freeze and Clayface are the two I want to see most... I can't wait for the next Batman solo film... Hopefully Affleck does at least one

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Old 05-05-2014, 08:46 AM   #63
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I don't know if "fantastical" is the right word, but I wouldn't mind incorporating the sci-fi elements so we could get villains like Freeze and Poison Ivy. Just to add some spectacle and variety to it.
Well, Clayface is pretty fantastical.

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Old 05-05-2014, 09:53 AM   #64
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I dont think they'll do Freeze or Clayface within this universe. Unfortunately we'll have to wait a really long time before WB starts accepting those kind of batman villains again. Affleck is just not the type of director, stylistically, to tap into such visuals anyhow.

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I dont think they'll do Freeze or Clayface within this universe. Unfortunately we'll have to wait a really long time before WB starts accepting those kind of batman villains again. Affleck is just not the type of director, stylistically, to tap into such visuals anyhow.
Yeah, unfortunately i have to agree with that.

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I'm curious, if they did go with Clayface, how should he be introduced in a semi-believable way?

I'm thinking nanites could be a cool direction to go in.

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Would love to see characters like Man-Bat, Clayface, Killer Croc, and Mr. Freeze.
I don't know if Man-Bat could carry a Batman movie alone, but I would love to see him maybe with Hugo Strange. I would love to see Croc as he was introduced in the 1980's (almost like Bane, and has brains, he wouldn't come off as a Lizard rip off). Mr Freeze like BTAS would be awesome.

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