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Old 07-14-2014, 03:37 AM   #426
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What have to do Captain America with Doomsday here?
He was closer to "MUH SUPAHMAN", than MoS was.
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And more important to this comment.
Why some can't understand that Clark and Steve are totally different personalities, with some similar goals but only with the set power it changes the way the people look to them (some fear superman, and what about Cap? that doesn't happen.
The fearing Superman thing is a very new concept that caught on because DC is trying to copy Marvel's success. In the Marvel Universe the heroes arent as revered as they are (or should i say "were") in the DC one.
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but the actions of Superman are the reason to be inspiring by people eventhought some people on the world will be like cautious with his powers)
He beat the bad guys of the movie, the same way every superhero does. Even Wolverine. I like Wolverine, he's cool as hell, but i dont find him a person to look up to. And i didnt find MoS Superman to be that either.
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Some just see what they want. Why not asking Caps traits showed in his sequel, in his other two movie appearences? Those in my book were almost absent in his first two appearences. That's the thing the character continues evolving. And it's unfair to want those in a origin of a character that dealed with some other things that made him the hero he is, while in others they're just happy with what they had no matter if it's not what they wanted.
Yes, i dont expect him to be perfect from day one, that's why i have no problem with Morrison's Action, where he shows him in his early days being brash, impulsive and downright arrogant at times. But he's still a good guy, who is just pissed at evil and wants to see it destroyed. He doenst mope, he doesnt wait for a lecture, he doesnt go till he's 33 to put on a cape. He doesnt need some Goyer lecture to explain why he puts on the cape.

He just takes his baby blanket, ties it around his shoulders and beats up bad guys. He's a badass. So yeah, i'll take him over 33 year old mopey, passive aggressive, daddy's boy.

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Old 07-14-2014, 03:39 AM   #427
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Here's a thematic reason for you.

Superman after MOS in the minds of the public is 50% good & 50% bad due to the destruction caused by the final battle etc..
they are going to be using this as a theme throughout the movie imo and is why Batman as yet doesn't trust him & quite rightly so.
Superman has been doing his best since the end of MOS saving people and trying to show people that he is to be trusted.
But there are still people who do not trust him, even after all these feats of heroism.
Suddenly there is this huge rage monster that is literally unstoppable and no one can take him down. Enter Superman who takes Doomsday away from the public and defeats him which ends with him sacrificing his life for the public who didn't trust him.
The public who were skeptical about him can now see that his intentions were good and he actually sacrificed himself for them and are humbled by it.
Having him just kill doomsday and not die would still make people skeptical of him but to actually sacrifice himself for humanity would convince them that this guy did have our best intentions at heart.
It's so simplistic and heavy handed.

Are you Goyer?

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Old 07-14-2014, 04:55 AM   #428
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It's so simplistic and heavy handed.

Are you Goyer?
Amazing rebuttal.

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Old 07-14-2014, 05:03 AM   #429
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Amazing rebuttal.
No, it's just an opinion.

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Old 07-14-2014, 05:04 AM   #430
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No, it's just an opinion.
Oh sorry, didn't use the arrows to go back in the conversation. Didn't realize he wasn't responding to you. My bad!

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Old 07-14-2014, 11:11 AM   #431
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Also, him drawing Doomsday away from Metropolis would be a great meta way to stick it to the MOS complainers.
Yeah that was my thinking, it would show that he has progressed as a hero by learning from his mistakes from the battle with Zod

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It's so simplistic and heavy handed.

Are you Goyer?
C'mon now, it was intentionally done that way to minimise the post and to have the theme explained in the simplest of terms.
I'm not a screenwriter as you can probably tell.

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Old 01-24-2016, 02:18 AM   #432
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I cant see Doomsday in Batman vs Superman, it's just an easter egg for the future. And quite frankly they don't even have to use him. But I would use Darkseid for Justice League, Brainiac either for a future Supeman solo movie (or Trinity). Doomsday would only work in a final Superman movie down the line or in this BvS film.

But is it too much to have him and Lex along with Supes and Bats? Im convinced Dick Grayson and Diana Prince are nothing more than a scene or two for each, without their "superhero gear". So that's fine. But im just not sure about including Doomsday so soon. So ill just say they'll probably use him eventually.
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Old 01-24-2016, 05:00 AM   #433
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Yeah that was my thinking, it would show that he has progressed as a hero by learning from his mistakes from the battle with Zod



C'mon now, it was intentionally done that way to minimise the post and to have the theme explained in the simplest of terms.
I'm not a screenwriter as you can probably tell.
The DCEU Superman we have is an alien with crazy power levels who is essentially a good person who as yet doesn't know what to do with himself.
All this garbage about a superman who doesn't do stuff because he can is garbage. I hate that idiotic unrealistic view if Superman. If he has to kill to save others then he should the same way governments choose to go to war dooming soldiers to death.

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Old 01-24-2016, 07:48 AM   #434
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Re: Snyder understanding full well that Man of Steel would be polarizing, I am struck by the very first line spoken in the first teaser trailer that we got for BvS:

Charlie Rose: "Is it really surprising... that the most powerful man in the world... should be a figure of controversy?"





In other words, Snyder had to know that by crafting a reinvention of the Superman myth that updates the character to our current world and cultural psyche there would be fans that would be opposed to it. I actually love how that fact is mirrored in BvS with the public being split about Superman. To me that is even more genius.

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Old 01-31-2016, 12:46 AM   #435
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Old 01-31-2016, 03:31 AM   #437
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The fearing Superman thing is a very new concept that caught on because DC is trying to copy Marvel's success.
Nonsense.



Literally from his first appearance and conception, Superman was perceived as someone who had to overcome our fear of him.

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Old 01-31-2016, 03:51 AM   #438
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Literally from his first appearance and conception, Superman was perceived as someone who had to overcome our fear of him.
ha! 'copying marvels success'... quite!

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My feeling is that a lot of the people complaining about "too serious/grimdark/real world" would be complaining about "too fantasy/no grit/too perfect and powerful/no drama" if they were to get what NOW they claim they want.

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DD is going to extremely powerful.

Can't wait.

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Old 02-01-2016, 11:09 PM   #441
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Anyone caught the screen cap???!!!
We might have Doomsday in the movie!!!

Sweet!!!
wow. i was right! i knew it since 2013!!!

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Despite my reservations about the look and his origin, I hope Doomsday is damn powerful like he is in the comics. Supes had a pretty even fight with Zod. I want to see him manhandling Supes and WW and giving them a bit of a beating.

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WOW! My troll senses are tingling in this thread! lol wow

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Despite my reservations about the look and his origin, I hope Doomsday is damn powerful like he is in the comics. Supes had a pretty even fight with Zod. I want to see him manhandling Supes and WW and giving them a bit of a beating.
Before the reveal in the trailer I was very much against DD appearing, feeling it was too early to use such a powerful foe. But then I realized that Snyder/WB is basically selecting what they like from a variety of source material to tell an original story. So I do not expect to see DD kill Superman, for instance. I think he'll more likely be a kind of Frankenstein monster created from Zod somehow.

But I do believe that just as in the Death of Superman comic, Doomsday will rapidly evolve to grow fully kitted out bony protrusions, etc. The glimpse we got of DD actually does resemble the creature at the start of the Death of Superman comic sans the clothing. But as we know he evolves throughout his rampage to look like the final version:






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I don't know, was never a big fan of Doomsday. Always felt like a cheap plot device instead of a real character. Lex is the villain along with Bats' and Supes' conflicting ideologies.

Braniac, Bizarro, Livewire, Parasite, and even Mxyzptlk are all more interesting.

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I don't know, was never a big fan of Doomsday. Always felt like a cheap plot device instead of a real character. Lex is the villain along with Bats' and Supes' conflicting ideologies.

Braniac, Bizarro, Livewire, Parasite, and even Mxyzptlk are all more interesting.
Doomsday was never meant to be a "character". He's a bioweapon. He was designed to be a weapon. He's not supposed to be a "character" in that sense.

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Doomsday was never meant to be a "character". He's a bioweapon. He was designed to be a weapon. He's not supposed to be a "character" in that sense.
I get that. Just stating why I don't find him interesting. Nothing against the folks who do. Just not who I would've gone with, especially since this isn't meant to be an adaptation or homage to Death of Superman.

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But I do believe that just as in the Death of Superman comic, Doomsday will rapidly evolve to grow fully kitted out bony protrusions, etc. The glimpse we got of DD actually does resemble the creature at the start of the Death of Superman comic sans the clothing.
But they'd be showing the purposefully less-cool version in an advertisement, as the very first impression everyone is getting of the character. Why do that. Especially when that "evolving" aspect would be self-imposed and was not canon of the guy to begin with. It would be bold of them and I'd dig it, it's just the wishful thinking of folks who don't seem to like the design much is the only thing sustaining it.

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It actually is canon as DD changed over the course of his fight with Superman in DOS.

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Before the reveal in the trailer I was very much against DD appearing, feeling it was too early to use such a powerful foe. But then I realized that Snyder/WB is basically selecting what they like from a variety of source material to tell an original story. So I do not expect to see DD kill Superman, for instance. I think he'll more likely be a kind of Frankenstein monster created from Zod somehow.

But I do believe that just as in the Death of Superman comic, Doomsday will rapidly evolve to grow fully kitted out bony protrusions, etc. The glimpse we got of DD actually does resemble the creature at the start of the Death of Superman comic sans the clothing. But as we know he evolves throughout his rampage to look like the final version:





Agree, I have warmed to the idea of him being used since the trailer. I just hope,plenty of his origin is in tact.

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Doomsday was never meant to be a "character". He's a bioweapon. He was designed to be a weapon. He's not supposed to be a "character" in that sense.
Agreed, though I do love his origins, a great villain origin IMO.

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