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Old 07-13-2014, 02:31 PM   #276
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If they can change things up and not keep doing the same thing with him, then of course they should bring him back for future films. This idea that a story "isn't complete" if the villain returns later on is nonsense. Loki's story was done at the end of Thor. His appearances in TA and TDW were two DIFFERENT stories that involved the same character. That's an important distinction to make. There's no reason why they cannot do something like that with Apocalypse (they've already done it with Magneto and Stryker after all).

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If they can change things up and not keep doing the same thing with him, then of course they should bring him back for future films. This idea that a story "isn't complete" if the villain returns later on is nonsense. Loki's story was done at the end of Thor. His appearances in TA and TDW were two DIFFERENT stories that involved the same character. That's an important distinction to make. There's no reason why they cannot do something like that with Apocalypse (they've already done it with Magneto and Stryker after all).
I'm sorry, I don't think I've heard anyone say that. Not. One. Person. I've said on numerous times that he should be built up and not just a one and done villian. He could have a self contained story in one movie but for the X-men's be all baddie, that's kind of a huge let down. Where do you go from here? That's all I was saying.

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The idea that Apocalypse is the X-Men's be all villain is also a bit strange to me :S. The Avengers have been bigger villains that apocalypse in recent years > . There are hundreds of villains they can use that are huge in the XWorld. Sinister, Selene, Shadow King, a reformed inner circle, also now there is no need for xavier to be in his siblings body, cassandra nova. The Shi'ar, brood, onslaught, and a really interesting possibility would be proteus if they want moira back. And with the House of M filling out nicely, The Scarlet Witch.

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The very best movies in history all told a single story -- 150 minutes is plenty of time if the writing and directing are good.
While that is true DA, most of those movies I imagine are not based on something that has decades of history to pull from. I don't doubt they can make a great one and done movie with Apoc, but Docker2.0 is right in that Apoc deserves more. If they beat him in the 80's and lets just say the next X film takes place in the 90s, they don't have a ton of options for villains that can outdo him in the threat department.

I'm not suggesting he needs a full trilogy but if he's only going to be in one film, hopefully he's not shortchanged and we see his full potential.

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The idea that Apocalypse is the X-Men's be all villain is also a bit strange to me :S. The Avengers have been bigger villains that apocalypse in recent years > . There are hundreds of villains they can use that are huge in the XWorld. Sinister, Selene, Shadow King, a reformed inner circle, also now there is no need for xavier to be in his siblings body, cassandra nova. The Shi'ar, brood, onslaught, and a really interesting possibility would be proteus if they want moira back. And with the House of M filling out nicely, The Scarlet Witch.
Some of those threats would be ok to use after Apoc but not many. Shadowking, Sinister, Selene, Inner Circle? I don't see them being as big of a problem or threat as Apocalypse. Apocalypse is so damn powerful that he's the X-men's Thanos/Darkseid, as Docker already mentioned.


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While that is true DA, most of those movies I imagine are not based on something that has decades of history to pull from. I don't doubt they can make a great one and done movie with Apoc, but Docker2.0 is right in that Apoc deserves more. If they beat him in the 80's and lets just say the next X film takes place in the 90s, they don't have a ton of options for villains that can outdo him in the threat department.

I'm not suggesting he needs a full trilogy but if he's only going to be in one film, hopefully he's not shortchanged and we see his full potential.



Some of those threats would be ok to use after Apoc but not many. Shadowking, Sinister, Selene, Inner Circle? I don't see them being as big of a problem or threat as Apocalypse. Apocalypse is so damn powerful that he's the X-men's Thanos/Darkseid, as Docker already mentioned.
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I'm sorry, I don't think I've heard anyone say that. Not. One. Person. I've said on numerous times that he should be built up and not just a one and done villian. He could have a self contained story in one movie but for the X-men's be all baddie, that's kind of a huge let down. Where do you go from here? That's all I was saying.
You clearly misunderstood my point. I was mostly responding to DA Champion's posts about Apocalypse being one and done. I was AGREEING with you.

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You clearly misunderstood my point. I was mostly responding to DA Champion's posts about Apocalypse being one and done. I was AGREEING with you.
I got that now. Sorry bro. I had a bad day at work.

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The idea that Apocalypse is the X-Men's be all villain is also a bit strange to me :S. The Avengers have been bigger villains that apocalypse in recent years > . There are hundreds of villains they can use that are huge in the XWorld. Sinister, Selene, Shadow King, a reformed inner circle, also now there is no need for xavier to be in his siblings body, cassandra nova. The Shi'ar, brood, onslaught, and a really interesting possibility would be proteus if they want moira back. And with the House of M filling out nicely, The Scarlet Witch.
I also don't think Apocalypse is the X-Men's be all villain, but in the movie verse, they could make him appear like that but this franchise has like 3 to 5 films to go after a reboot. Who knows if there will be one. So yes, there are a lot of villains that they can use in the future movies other than Apocalypse. Omega Red, Spiral, Mojo, Shadow King, Onslaught, Aliens, Sinister.... who could also make a big impact to the X-Men.

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I would love to see Omega Red in an X-men movie

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I also don't think Apocalypse is the X-Men's be all villain, but in the movie verse, they could make him appear like that but this franchise has like 3 to 5 films to go after a reboot. Who knows if there will be one. So yes, there are a lot of villains that they can use in the future movies other than Apocalypse. Omega Red, Spiral, Mojo, Shadow King, Onslaught, Aliens, Sinister.... who could also make a big impact to the X-Men.
Well think about it, who is then? Even in the cartoons from the 90's, he was their Darkseid and they never really beat him, he just seemed to leave and come back when he felt like it. Sinister, Omega Red, Mojo, etc are great villians but Apocalypse seems above those guys. None of those guys have a chance against him and if I'm not mistaken, didn't he change Sinister to the guy we know now?

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Well think about it, who is then? Even in the cartoons from the 90's, he was their Darkseid and they never really beat him, he just seemed to leave and come back when he felt like it. Sinister, Omega Red, Mojo, etc are great villians but Apocalypse seems above those guys. None of those guys have a chance against him and if I'm not mistaken, didn't he change Sinister to the guy we know now?
Well that's one way of looking and it seems most seem to view Apocalypse that way but the cartoons aren't canon. If you look at Apocalypse's early appearances, I definitely don't see him as the BIG bad. As for his relationship with Sinister...I feel like they tried to make Apocalypse's back story bigger after popularity in the character increased.

Apocalypse appeared in the Early issues of X-Factor with the Alliance of Evil. He was defeated.

He returned with the 4 Horseman and was defeated.

He returned with the Dark Riders and kidnapped nathan christopher summers. He was "killed" by Cyclops.



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As far as accomplishments as a villain prior to his appearances in XTAS..I only really see the transformation of Angel to Archangel and infecting nathan christopher summers with the techno organic virus.

Compare to Sinister:
Responsible for Mutant Massacre where several X-Men were injured and led to the rearranging of teams. It also gave us the first battle between Wolverine and Sabretooth.

Sinister created the Goblin Queen which gave rise to the birth of Nathan Christopher Summers. Sinister took on X-Men and X-Factor with ease until Cyclops stepped up. The X-Mansion was destroyed.

In the X-Cutioner's song Sinister manipulated the 4 Horseman who he used to capture Cyclops and Jean Grey by posing as Apocalypse.

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Shot Professor X.
Created Mutant Legacy Virus.

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Created Asteroid M.
He actually has defeated/captured the X-Men on several occasions.
He's acted as a leader for the X-Men and New Mutants.
Ripped the Adamantium from Wolverine's skeleton.
Led the X-Men in AoA. Killed Apocalypse in 1 vs 1 combat.

Mystique:
Orchestrated assassination plot that would lead to the Days of Future Past alternate future.


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C'mon Legion! The guy's name is Apocalypse! If that isn't a big bad guy type of name, I don't know what is.

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Marvel 616 is maddeningly inconsistent with power levels.

Many fans idea of Apocalypse's power level is most likely due to TAS depiction of him. It was his most consistent, convincing, terrifying capable display.

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Well think about it, who is then? Even in the cartoons from the 90's, he was their Darkseid and they never really beat him, he just seemed to leave and come back when he felt like it. Sinister, Omega Red, Mojo, etc are great villians but Apocalypse seems above those guys. None of those guys have a chance against him and if I'm not mistaken, didn't he change Sinister to the guy we know now?
The way I see a "be-all villain" is the villain that ends it all, meaning he would be the last big villain we would ever see battle the X-Men and I just think with this franchise, Apocalypse won't be that "be all villain".

And like someone said, he has beaten a lot of times in the comic-books so I don't really see him "the be-all villain" even in the comic-books.

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He'll probably be motion captured like Ultron.
I'm willing to bet he'll be a normal sized guy in face paint one. The final design will probably be similar to that after credit sequence and be far removed from his traditional look in the comics.

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Marvel 616 is maddeningly inconsistent with power levels.

Many fans idea of Apocalypse's power level is most likely due to TAS depiction of him. It was his most consistent, convincing, terrifying capable display.
That's because Apocalypse is one of Marvel biggest jobbers. From his power set, he should be able to regularly trash all the X-Men except the strongest ones, and would be more of an Avengers-level threat. But either due to incompetence or "bad guy defeats", he never shows the amount of power he has the potential for.

Apocalypse isn't the X-Men be-all-end-all villain, but he could be if he remembered what he's capable of. I wouldn't mind if Singer's Apocalypse was more competent than his comic counterpart.

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I think even Selene is more powerful than him, ain't she?

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Well if Necrosha is anything to go by she is ridic.

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Anyone know what comic it was that the Avengers went up against Apocalypse? Thor? Loki?

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I know there was a little scene in the Blood of Apocalypse storyline (terrible story). I think some of the Horsemen had cross overs during the initial Horsemen story (Famine in Captain America is the only one I'm sure of). Sadly, Apocalypse hasn't really been a good villain since the Age of Apocalypse (though Apocalypse vs Dracula was fun).

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Just because he's of a certain power level in the comics does not mean that he has to be that way in the films. They could easily boost his power levels in the film and make him the X-Men's equivalent of Darkseid or Thanos. Given that Singer has mentioned "Roland Emmerich" levels of destruction in the movie, and even called X-Men: Apocalypse a "disaster movie" I'm willing to be that this will be the case.

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Just because he's of a certain power level in the comics does not mean that he has to be that way in the films. They could easily boost his power levels in the film and make him the X-Men's equivalent of Darkseid or Thanos. Given that Singer has mentioned "Roland Emmerich" levels of destruction in the movie, and even called X-Men: Apocalypse a "disaster movie" I'm willing to be that this will be the case.
It's the most likely outcome, if they really want Apocalypse to be impressive on screen. Like I said, Pocky doesn't really need a boost in power as much as he needs a boost in competence - and that would be fairly simple for Singer and co. to do.

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I'd be fine with them going with the Ultimate version regarding looks and powers.

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Yes, He has kinda an outdated look so I'd like the ultimate version route, they could even get the rock, just give him grey skin and wala

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The Ultimate version, (visually) looks good! Anyway, X-Men Legends 2 has a similar look to it.

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