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Old 06-22-2014, 11:44 PM   #876
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Say what you will about Bane's portrayal in B&R, but visually he was much closer to the comics than Tom Hardy's Bane:


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Old 06-22-2014, 11:48 PM   #877
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Detective Comics #511

(Yes, even the infamous bat credit card was in the comics)

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Old 06-22-2014, 11:51 PM   #878
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That does not look like a Bat credit to me. I see no bat symbol or even the word bat on it.

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Old 06-23-2014, 07:01 AM   #879
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Yeah, its not like it says "Batman Forever" and Batman smileys to the camera and says "NEVER LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT!!!!"

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Old 06-23-2014, 08:56 AM   #880
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Old 06-25-2014, 04:18 PM   #881
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It was a decent movie. Still classic but not very good jokes or acting. Not the best choice for Batman either. I liked Micheal Keaton and Adam west better. Adam West actually had a reason to be cheesy cause it was in a way different time. The puns where just awful and the villains could have been portrayed better. Although, I admit bane in that movie was loyal to the the comics than the new version. Overall I give it a six out of ten and that's pretty generous considering i'm not a movie critic.

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Why was Orlok banned? He was never rude to anyone. I guess he was a previously banned member.

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Although, I admit bane in that movie was loyal to the the comics than the new version.
I know Nolan took liberties with Bane in TDKR, but how does Schumacher/Swenson's Bane acting like a mentally challenged parrot and lapdog to Poison Ivy more loyal to the comics than Nolan/Hardy's version? Besides the venom and his alias there isn't much in common with comics.

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Apart from looking kinda like comic Bane, Schumacher's Bane has more in common with angry Hulk than with comic Bane.

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Old 06-26-2014, 08:10 AM   #885
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I'll be honest. When this film first came out, I thought it was a travesty. Unlike many here, I was not a kid when it came out. I was already in my early 30's, so my perspective was not going to allow for a kid-moment in the franchise. But my own kids have grown up watching it, and now even my grand son is watching it (and they all love it). So I've been able to see it through their eyes and that's allowed me to bridge that gap and just appreciate it on it's own terms. Also through watching it soooo much with each child, I've noticed this installment is actually the most watchable, despite it's flaws.

I've concluded that while the film's dialogue and script may be a work out on the brain, it's visuals are extremely easy on the eyes. It's a good looking movie for it's genre', and therefore a very easy film to sit through. My grandson will go through binges where he'll want to watch this movie every day for a week. He'll take a break and then months later he'll want another dose. And I think therein lies the secret to why it's never entirely cast aside by even the most critical of fans. It's an all out attack on the visual senses and there's something redeeming about that. No other movie remotely looks like that. And the fact it doesn't take itself serious pretty much keeps the movie timeless.

That movie looks as good today as it did in 1997. Yes, I still cringe at some of lazy editing done on this film. The back looping of Robin in the water is amateurish. When Robin came up out of the water, they could have moved to Batman cutting the vines and then gone back to Robin going back under and there would have been no need for the reversal. Very sloppy. And the poor camera angles on the wire work is completely on Schumacher. He got lazy, but once again, simple editing could have fixed all of that. So when I pull back and look at the totality of everyone's contributions, there were allot of talented people bringing their 'A' game to the project. But what hurt them was the utter failure of others, like Schumacher, to do their part correctly.

But for all it's faults, I accept and respect it's treatment. It speaks to generations of kids (past & present). And although some have grown out of it as they have gotten older, others can still retain their fascination for why they liked it as kids. Plus I have the unique position of seeing that same excitement with new generations like my grandson. So there's definitely a redeeming quality to the film that other movies in the franchise can not offer. At the end of the day, I think this movie is perhaps the most honest for just looking at the concept for what it is - It's a guy dressed up as a bat using bat-themed devices to fight crime. How serious should you really take that concept if you can't have fun with it as well? I think Schumacher made an indelible impression on the character that will one day find majority acceptance for what it is and not what some wanted it to be.

So while the dark and gritty Batman certainly has it's place in Batman lore, I think there's still plenty of room (and audience) for the lighter side of the concept. It's probably the most often quoted film in the series. And if people hated those lines THAT much, they wouldn't remember them.

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I'll be honest. When this film first came out, I thought it was a travesty. Unlike many here, I was not a kid when it came out. I was already in my early 30's, so my perspective was not going to allow for a kid-moment in the franchise. But my own kids have grown up watching it, and now even my grand son is watching it (and they all love it). So I've been able to see it through their eyes and that's allowed me to bridge that gap and just appreciate it on it's own terms. Also through watching it soooo much with each child, I've noticed this installment is actually the most watchable, despite it's flaws.

I've concluded that while the film's dialogue and script may be a work out on the brain, it's visuals are extremely easy on the eyes. It's a good looking movie for it's genre', and therefore a very easy film to sit through. My grandson will go through binges where he'll want to watch this movie every day for a week. He'll take a break and then months later he'll want another dose. And I think therein lies the secret to why it's never entirely cast aside by even the most critical of fans. It's an all out attack on the visual senses and there's something redeeming about that. No other movie remotely looks like that. And the fact it doesn't take itself serious pretty much keeps the movie timeless.

That movie looks as good today as it did in 1997. Yes, I still cringe at some of lazy editing done on this film. The back looping of Robin in the water is amateurish. When Robin came up out of the water, they could have moved to Batman cutting the vines and then gone back to Robin going back under and there would have been no need for the reversal. Very sloppy. And the poor camera angles on the wire work is completely on Schumacher. He got lazy, but once again, simple editing could have fixed all of that. So when I pull back and look at the totality of everyone's contributions, there were allot of talented people bringing their 'A' game to the project. But what hurt them was the utter failure of others, like Schumacher, to do their part correctly.

But for all it's faults, I accept and respect it's treatment. It speaks to generations of kids (past & present). And although some have grown out of it as they have gotten older, others can still retain their fascination for why they liked it as kids. Plus I have the unique position of seeing that same excitement with new generations like my grandson. So there's definitely a redeeming quality to the film that other movies in the franchise can not offer. At the end of the day, I think this movie is perhaps the most honest for just looking at the concept for what it is - It's a guy dressed up as a bat using bat-themed devices to fight crime. How serious should you really take that concept if you can't have fun with it as well? I think Schumacher made an indelible impression on the character that will one day find majority acceptance for what it is and not what some wanted it to be.

So while the dark and gritty Batman certainly has it's place in Batman lore, I think there's still plenty of room (and audience) for the lighter side of the concept. It's probably the most often quoted film in the series. And if people hated those lines THAT much, they wouldn't remember them.
Great post. It's totally understandable that you didn't like this movie at first. Most people didn't.

what counts, imo, is that we moves past the initial rage. Mostly because most of us moved from the "teh dark is teh only acceptable way, everything has to be grim'n'gritty" and we can appreciate most takes on the character.

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I saw something watching the movie today
The face of Shaggy (from Scooby-Doo) in graffiti

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I'll be honest. When this film first came out, I thought it was a travesty. Unlike many here, I was not a kid when it came out. I was already in my early 30's, so my perspective was not going to allow for a kid-moment in the franchise. But my own kids have grown up watching it, and now even my grand son is watching it (and they all love it). So I've been able to see it through their eyes and that's allowed me to bridge that gap and just appreciate it on it's own terms. Also through watching it soooo much with each child, I've noticed this installment is actually the most watchable, despite it's flaws.

I've concluded that while the film's dialogue and script may be a work out on the brain, it's visuals are extremely easy on the eyes. It's a good looking movie for it's genre', and therefore a very easy film to sit through. My grandson will go through binges where he'll want to watch this movie every day for a week. He'll take a break and then months later he'll want another dose. And I think therein lies the secret to why it's never entirely cast aside by even the most critical of fans. It's an all out attack on the visual senses and there's something redeeming about that. No other movie remotely looks like that. And the fact it doesn't take itself serious pretty much keeps the movie timeless.

That movie looks as good today as it did in 1997. Yes, I still cringe at some of lazy editing done on this film. The back looping of Robin in the water is amateurish. When Robin came up out of the water, they could have moved to Batman cutting the vines and then gone back to Robin going back under and there would have been no need for the reversal. Very sloppy. And the poor camera angles on the wire work is completely on Schumacher. He got lazy, but once again, simple editing could have fixed all of that. So when I pull back and look at the totality of everyone's contributions, there were allot of talented people bringing their 'A' game to the project. But what hurt them was the utter failure of others, like Schumacher, to do their part correctly.

But for all it's faults, I accept and respect it's treatment. It speaks to generations of kids (past & present). And although some have grown out of it as they have gotten older, others can still retain their fascination for why they liked it as kids. Plus I have the unique position of seeing that same excitement with new generations like my grandson. So there's definitely a redeeming quality to the film that other movies in the franchise can not offer. At the end of the day, I think this movie is perhaps the most honest for just looking at the concept for what it is - It's a guy dressed up as a bat using bat-themed devices to fight crime. How serious should you really take that concept if you can't have fun with it as well? I think Schumacher made an indelible impression on the character that will one day find majority acceptance for what it is and not what some wanted it to be.

So while the dark and gritty Batman certainly has it's place in Batman lore, I think there's still plenty of room (and audience) for the lighter side of the concept. It's probably the most often quoted film in the series. And if people hated those lines THAT much, they wouldn't remember them.
Love this and well said! We have got to remember we need the kid friendly versions to get younger viewers. Long before Batman was dark I grew up on the Adam West 60's series, Superfriends, and The New adventures of Batman. Yes, I love the dark Batman, but Batman has been interpreted many ways.

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damn it...this is what I get for copying and pasting from IMDB.

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Ugh.

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Guys, I'm in an argument on FB on Graham Nolan's page about Batman and Robin. It's too funny. I'm the only one defending the movie haha.

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I feel like the detractors for B&R focus more on the Bat nipples than Joel Schumacher himself.

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It could have been worse. What if they focused on Schumacher's nipples?

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"I heard you were blue". Hah.

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