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[MarvelMovies]

Yay for BIGGUN!



Debunking the rumor!

[FlameHead]

I have no fear right now that Nic will not be doing this movie. I dont' think I ever did. Whether it's now or later, Nic will be involved. It better by now and not later, but you understand what I'm saying. The only thing that has been a constant all these years in Nic Cage... and I'm sure he'll always remain a constant.

You mentioned Blade: Trinity MM and how much money it didn't make so far. There's a very good reason for that though. It has nothing to do with the amount of money that they spent. The reason why the movie did not succeed is because it was a bad movie. I've been refraining from talking about it because I've been taught to not say anything at all if you have nothing good to say. I watched it twice in theatre and I have very few nice things to say about it. The only positive I seen was Hannibal. Ryan was great but he even got annoying after a while. The only line I liked was the one about vampires turning into mist "I don't think so". That was a nice payment to us King fans. Other than that, the movie sucked and I got the feeling that they did that just to piss Snipes off for being such an ******* (for lack of a better term). I mean, you can't make a great action flick when a man only wants to take one take. Yes, you're a method actor Snipes but there's also a method to makeing films.... one which you seem to forget. Not every first take is a good take and fight scenes need a lot of work. Not two or three slashes with a sword (fighting DRACULA no less) make a good fight. Crap, Crap, Crap. I don't know how it made 70 million.

Don't get me wrong, I'll buy the DVD... but I wont be happy about it. Anyway, this isn't a form for Blade... so I'll stop before I get carried away.

All I'm saying is that if a movie of that caliber spent 65 million dollars, then I have no hope for Ghost Rider... except it being a diferent directer than Goyer... who still has a bit of experience to go to being a great director. He's a terrific writer and embassador of comics but he just didn't impress me as a director.

Anyway folks, the countdown is on. Like 24 days until production is slated to start. It better start and we hopefully will hear news before them. This waiting game sucks.

Here's a pic that seems pretty relevent right now...

[BIGGUN]

Heh.....END? indeed....hopefully its the end of waiting and not the end of the production for the movie.
i agree FH...i didnt really get into Trinity either. it was a letdown. i hate to say it but unless the directors cut dvd shows a vastly different movie i wont be buying it when it comes out. lots of plotholes, poor characters and story, underused head villain and goofy vampire cronies, ect ect ect. even the music was forgettable in this one! i loved the electronic/rap soundtracks for Blade 1 and 2 but i swear the songs in Trinity were so...bland i completely forgot it had a soundtrack. kept looking at my watch to see how much longer it would be until it ended....
again this reaffirms my belief that Ghost Rider is better off w/out Goyer writing or directing. he had some good ideas but that should be the extent of his involvement. i do hope he fares better w/ Batman and the Flash though...

[Hunter Rider]

Originally Posted by BIGGUN

Ahhh....another rumor! this time instead of posting one myself i think ill bust this one....heh
this actually isnt even a rumor.....and its not true either (well i guess it could be but Cage never said anything about it). go to this site: http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/news/nov04/94.html
the site MoviePoopShoot got the info on "V" from Variety...if you notice Cage isnt mentioned anywhere in that article....but he is on the article's title. this is MPS's little idea of humor. they post comic books to film updates under the gag title "I hear Nicolas Cage wants to play ______ " <(insert comic book title here).
they do this alot....they had "I hear Nicolas Cage wants to play Grendel" a while back. this is a joke about how Cage is always wanted to play a comic book character...like every time someone tries to make a comic into a movie Cage wants to be in it.
so no, Cage is not gonna play in "V for Vendetta"....unless of course he and his agent have been keeping this from everyone for months and just pretended to want to be in Ghost Rider...heh

but its understandable that we might get alarmed when coming across that title. GR is right now soo damn close to being made....the closest its ever been. its rather nerve wracking too as there is a nasty habit (or curse?) of GR getting so close to actual production something happens to stall it out and put it on Marvel's backburner for the next few years.
it almost like we are so used to delays and cancellations we are expecting this movie to crash and burn.
hopefully this time will finally be the real deal and the production can go ahead as planned.... just gotta be patient.

*wipes sweat from brow*PHEW!!....sorry to alarm you guy's i didn't get in from the article it was some of the guy's on the V thread........anyways it's not true so hopefully in a couple of weeks we should get some confirmation on other casting

[Retroman]

Thanks for clearing that up BIGGUN. Question remains where are the Ghost Rider announcements? In less than 3 weeks the shoot starts.

[WarBlade]

Originally Posted by MarvelMovies

Source: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...E27258,00.html

The budget has possibly increased to $51 million.. which is $20 million higher then Punisher.. and $15 below Blade.

That's an Australian news site you linked.

*me waits for the penny to drop*

[BIGGUN]

Originally Posted by Retroman

Thanks for clearing that up BIGGUN. Question remains where are the Ghost Rider announcements? In less than 3 weeks the shoot starts.

No problemo, just doing my job..heh.
actual filming may start on Feb 14....which would be a 2 week delay. there was an article from a Australian news source that said Cage would be flying down to Melbourne in early Feb to prepare for GR and that actual shooting will start on the 14th. however, this was the only source to state the new start date so its not official.
im hoping that Arad and company already have the cast signed and locked only waiting until all the hoopla for Elektra dies down. then they could give a brief announcement who is starring and then maybe have an official press conference in early Feb once Cage gets down there.

[FlameHead]

They may start shooting other things before Cage arrives. That is a possibility, I guess. Hopefully anyway. Even a 2 week delay at this point would be kinda dissapointing.

Today's pic

[darthhalen]

Does anyone know if Avi mentioned Ghost Rider at the recent Elektra premiere?
Sometimes he will give little updates on Marvels current slate while answering questions. Maybe there will be some kind of update tomorrow.

[BIGGUN]

Originally Posted by darthhalen

Does anyone know if Avi mentioned Ghost Rider at the recent Elektra premiere?
Sometimes he will give little updates on Marvels current slate while answering questions. Maybe there will be some kind of update tomorrow.

i was thinking the same thing DH....it seems Avi always gives a quick update on whats going on Marvel movie wise. in fact im sure he would have to since MSJ is also one of the producers for Elektra as well. the GR question will have to come up. last time was at the Blade premiere and it seemed it was about a 3-4 day delay before we heard anything. we may hear something early/mid week.....hope its good news.

Go here: http://www.universohq.com/cinema/ima...iderCannes.jpg

[Nero_Ordin]

This Is An Old Poster And I Wonder If Gr Will Look Like That.

[BIGGUN]

Yup...that was made a few years ago....think it showed up at a Cannes film festival 1st then it started making the rounds to other Marvel trade shows and cons. just a promo to let people know it was being developed.
and supposedly GR will be very similar to the pic in the poster as MSJ described to me in a PM a few months ago "Don't worry about the look of G.R. He's hard core classic, just like Tex drew him."
so expect his outfit to be very close to how he appeared in the 90s series....BUT some other info from a conference in Australia was that his outfit would "evolve". im thinking they may use the idea from Goyer's script that GR's outfit would be dependant on what Blaze was wearing at the time he transforms...only it will be exaggerated w/ spikes and black leather. im guessing that maybe the traditional GR outfit may not appear until near the end of the film.
this i dont mind as it will mean....Mo' Ghost Rider action figures

Originally Posted by rasputin386

Who would you all prefer, Nicholas Cage or Kiefer Sutherland?

-The Heroic Hemophiliac

They're both a little to old for the part really. Jonny Blaze should be about 18 to 20 when he became Ghost Rider.

[<Mr.Spider>]

I'm with biggun on those figures

[Retroman]

I would love to get a copy of that poster. Wonder if I get one from Marvel.......

[Retroman]

This weird - We're a couple of weeks before the shoot starts and still no announcements.

[Retroman]

Found this mini sypnosis:

GHOST RIDER - Spring, 2005 - Melbourne, Australia; Details Are only Available By Subscription.. STORY: In order to save his dying father, young stunt cyclist Johnny Blaze sells his soul to Mephistopheles and sadly parts from the pure-hearted Roxanne Simpson, the love of his life. Years later, Johnny's path crosses again with Roxanne, now a gogetting reporter, and also with Mephistopheles, who offers to release Johnny's soul if Johnny becomes the fabled, fiery Ghost Rider, a supernatural agent of vengeance and justice. Mephistopheles charges Johnny with defeating the despicable Blackheart, Mephistopheles's nemesis and son, who plans to displace his father and create a new hell even more terrible than the old one. (Posted: November 8, 2004. Revised: December 21, 2004)

http://www.myentertainmentworld.com/...ction_P.2.html

[BIGGUN]

Nice
ony problem is the date they listed it starting under....March 2005. it was updated last month too....another 2 week delay? hoping that is a mistake.

Getting the impression that the origin will be a bit different but it seems i was right about Mephisto "hiring" Blaze to kill his son Blackheart. Glad that Mark decided to go w/ that idea....it can be a really cool story element.
Blaze will do anything to save his father and girlfriend, whereas Blackheart will do anything to get rid of his father.
not so sure about Roxanne being a "gogetting" reporter though...heh. but at least it seems MSJ wanted to flesh out her character some more than it was in the comics. there was actually a blonde female reporter who stayed w/ the Quinten Carnival for some of the last issues of the 70s series. she was there i think to write a story about the carnival and the people who worked there. Maybe he took some elements from that character and added them to Roxanne...interesting.

[MarvelMovies]

Originally Posted by FlameHead

You mentioned Blade: Trinity MM and how much money it didn't make so far. There's a very good reason for that though. It has nothing to do with the amount of money that they spent. The reason why the movie did not succeed is because it was a bad movie. I've been refraining from talking about it because I've been taught to not say anything at all if you have nothing good to say. I watched it twice in theatre and I have very few nice things to say about it. The only positive I seen was Hannibal. Ryan was great but he even got annoying after a while. The only line I liked was the one about vampires turning into mist "I don't think so". That was a nice payment to us King fans. Other than that, the movie sucked and I got the feeling that they did that just to piss Snipes off for being such an ******* (for lack of a better term). I mean, you can't make a great action flick when a man only wants to take one take. Yes, you're a method actor Snipes but there's also a method to makeing films.... one which you seem to forget. Not every first take is a good take and fight scenes need a lot of work. Not two or three slashes with a sword (fighting DRACULA no less) make a good fight. Crap, Crap, Crap. I don't know how it made 70 million.

Don't get me wrong, I'll buy the DVD... but I wont be happy about it. Anyway, this isn't a form for Blade... so I'll stop before I get carried away.

You really didn't like Blade 3?

I liked the movie.. I think it was missing something, but I liked it better then Blade 1.. and Blade 2 was a great movie..

1. Blade 2 - 52 - http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/blade_2_bloodhunt/
2. Blade 3 - 27% - http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/blade_trinity/
3. Blade 1 - 55% - http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1083484-blade/

By critic's standards though... Blade 3 was definitely lacking as shown above..

Elektra is getting demolished by critics.. 7% at RT.. although I'm not sure what its budget was..

I think $51 million is a budget more then asked for.. since it has been) $0 million for the past many years..

I think with a quality story though.. Ghost Rider will succeed... such as.. a story completely different from the one I read in the Goyer script, because that seemed JUST like the Elektra movie..

The scenes with the main character (Ghost Rider, Elektra) were FANTASTIC, but the supporting characters.. I just didn't care about (Abby and Mark in E, and Rain and Nomi in GR).. I wanted them both to die or just get the heck out of the script.. since they were the most annoying and worst parts of the script..

Blade 3's story was weaker then 1 & 2 I thought... since at the beginning it was Blade vs Cops.. but then after the first 20 min or so.. they completely abaddoned that idea, and you never saw another cop hunting Blade..

Instead, it went on to the whole Dracula story which was good.. although again, some other minor characters were quite annoying and I just didn't care about them..

Although, in Blade's case.. Hannibal King was fantastic, and Whistler's daughter (forget her name) were interesting characters.. and the bad guys are the ones I didn't care about..

I think the movie fails on the story side of things.. and not on the budget side.. since Blade 3 had the budget, but didn't have a good enough story.. it had an okay story.. but not.. Great..

Elektra will probably fail b/c of story.. and thus bad critic reviews.. and Goyer's Ghost Rider script would've been the same way I think..

Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 had fantastic, excellent stories.. where I cared about all the characters.. minor and major.. good and bad... so after having a great story.. it got a great budget.

Ghost Rider (By MSJ now) I think will have a great story.. and thus will succeed..

Anyways..



To sum up..

Story > Budget
Characters - Need not to be annoying.. and worthless..

[MarvelMovies]

Originally Posted by BIGGUN

Nice
ony problem is the date they listed it starting under....March 2005. it was updated last month too....another 2 week delay? hoping that is a mistake.

Getting the impression that the origin will be a bit different but it seems i was right about Mephisto "hiring" Blaze to kill his son Blackheart. Glad that Mark decided to go w/ that idea....it can be a really cool story element.
Blaze will do anything to save his father and girlfriend, whereas Blackheart will do anything to get rid of his father.
not so sure about Roxanne being a "gogetting" reporter though...heh. but at least it seems MSJ wanted to flesh out her character some more than it was in the comics. there was actually a blonde female reporter who stayed w/ the Quinten Carnival for some of the last issues of the 70s series. she was there i think to write a story about the carnival and the people who worked there. Maybe he took some elements from that character and added them to Roxanne...interesting.

After reading the story a couple of times.. since at first.. I was like.. what is going on..

I think it would make more sense for Johnny to sell his soul to Mephisto to save Roxanne, and not his father.. which is one thing I liked from the Goyer script..

I think, for some parts, Goyer got the origin right..

Blaze loves Roxanne, and wants to be with her.. but he is sucked back in to do something wrong (train robbery in this case) and then gets almost caught.. so decides to run with Roxanne..

They get into a car accident.. Roxanne is near death.. Blaze makes a deal with Devil to save her... but in exchange, he gets to be Ghost Rider..

Roxanne is saved.. but Blaze is tricked, when Roxanne is in a coma.. so alive like the deal promised.. but unable to move or speak to Blaze..

I liked that back story about the script.. although, not too sure about Johnny being a thief.. but it adds some backing to his character and how he's not always on the good side of the law..


Back to MSJ version as described in plot summary above...

Saving his father takes out some from the romance factor b/t him and Rox.. although, he does become the Ghost Rider to return to be with Roxanne.. which is not too bad of an idea..

I think it is a much needed improvement over the Goyer script, in that there is no Nomi, Rain, or ancient indian tribal meeting council monkey business of the past..

I dislike it when, for some odd reason.. they throw in an ancient indian spirit into the mix..

However, the entrance of Ghost Rider was purely geekgasmic.. with him coming in on his bike in slow motion.. flames blazing.. and then just plain kicking @$$ afterwards...

That scene, I hope is in there somewhere.. b/c how I pictured it in my head.. was amazing when I read it..



Going to post that story now..

[MSJ]

Hey guys!

Sorry it's been so long since I've checked in, but we start shooting in about four weeks so you can imagine how busy things are! Jesus. Four weeks out. Hard to believe, eh? Especially for those of you, like myself, who have waited for this movie for such a long time. These updates are always hard to write as I have to toe the line between wanting to tell you everything while having to keep the details under wraps.

So, first off. Casting. Mr. Cage will be Johnny Blaze. Take it from me. That's a done deal. And I could not be happier. Nic is in the shape of his life. Lean and mean, like a motorcycle stunt rider should. I've cast a few more parts but I should wait until the official announcements come (very soon). But safe to say, when in doubt? Listen to Biggun!

The Budget. Nice to see that we've been "upgraded" from a $40 million dollar movie to a $51 million dollar movie! Maybe that's enough for a Dazzler movie but not for a Ghost Rider movie! Seriously, this is an event movie. And Sony knows how to make them right. Rest assured. That is not the budget. Not by a long shot.

Johnny vs. Danny. The great thing about making a Ghost Rider movie is that I get to take the best from both the Johnny Blaze and the Danny Ketch versions of the comic. So even though I am telling the Johnny Blaze origin story, there are elements of the Danny Ketch stories that I love and will include in the movie (so don't worry, Flamehead! Your beloved Danny Ketch will be there in spirit!). Caretaker will be there. And Blackheart. But so will Mephisto and Roxanne and the Quentin Carnival.

The script. People have mentioned the old David Goyer draft. Goyer wrote two really interesting versions of a Ghost Rider movie. I'd go to see either one of them. But my version is my own. The script is much closer to the comic. But at the same time, it's much more of a Western. A Supernatural Western is, I think, about the coolest idea ever. The Ghost Rider needs that open road as well as the city. I feel that is what makes him unique -- that he's a rider. Think Mad Max. Unforgiven. We have huge battles in the city but, ultimately, they will end up out in the desert.

The Hellcycle. Well, it's simply unbelievable. It's sculpt is finished and it went into the molds last week. It's the Chopper from Hell. No doubt about it. This is the coolest thing I have ever seen in my life. The toys and the video game are already in the works and they are going to kick ass!

Better go. Sunday morning here and I have to get back to work. Will check in again later and soon, hopefully, with some artwork. Thanks for all your kind words and thoughts and criticisms. I'm making this for us!

MSJ

[Hunter Rider]

WOW nice to see you again on the hype MSJ,thanks for the update,glad to here that sony are making GR an event movie and that the budget is bigger than we thought by a long way,i like the fact your mixing the ketch/blaze stories together and i love the sound of huge city battles and supernatural western.

Can't wait to see the artwork and look forward to casting announcements.
Maybe a teaser with FF in July? LOL
*sits back and awaits the arrival of BIGGUN and Flame*
I dont about you guys but this news made my month

[BIGGUN]

Originally Posted by MSJ

Listen to Biggun!
And
I'm making this for us!

MSJ

See...these are the 2 things that are the most important to me

im all for the "us" bit....this is something ive been waiting for since it was talked about in 1983. thanks Mark for the hard work!!
glad to hear that filming does indeed start on Feb 14th and Caretaker is in the script? hmmm...thats going to be interesting.
and yes thanks again Mark for clearing up the budget issue...i knew (as well as some others) that 40-51mil couldnt be the final budget...
cant wait to see the Hellcycle!

[Isildur´s Heir]

I didn´t liked Daredevil that much, but one thing is certain, MJS is tha man

I hope all the best for you and Ghost Rider MSJ