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Old 07-09-2006, 05:22 PM   #1
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How did everyone get the idea that we're def. not gonna see Mandarin. Did it get confirmed or something? Why wouldn't he work?

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Old 07-09-2006, 06:11 PM   #2
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I hate Mandarin.

He has one of the worst names ever!


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Old 07-09-2006, 06:30 PM   #3
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Why? Political correctness taken to extreme lengths.

Hell, keep in mind that the Mandarin was even in the 90s animated series.

I don't know, was the cartoon being racist by using this name? You tell me.

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A Mandarin was a bureaucrat in imperial China. The term originates from the Portuguese word mandarim, meaning "minister" or "counselor", and from the older Sanskrit word mandari (commander) used to translate the Chinese word guan (官). An alternative theory is that the term comes from the Chinese phrase "Mandaren" (满大人), meaning a "Manchu official". The term is also used to refer to the northern spoken variety of Chinese because it was the language used among officials during the Ming and Qing dynasties.

In the West, the term "Mandarin" is associated with the concept of the scholar-official, who immersed himself in poetry, literature, and Confucian learning in addition to performing civil service duties.

For around 1300 years from 605 to 1905, Mandarins were selected by merit through the extremely rigorous imperial examination.

China has had civil servants since at least the Zhou Dynasty. However most high ranking positions were filled by relatives of the sovereign and the nobility. It was not until the Tang Dynasty when the final form of the mandarin was completed with the replacement of the nine-rank system. The mandarins were the founders and core of the Chinese gentry. The mandarins were replaced with a modern civil service after the fall of the Qing Dynasty.

The wardrobe of a mandarin during the Qing Dynasty involved Manchu official headwear and a mandarin square. The office and residence of a mandarin was a yamen.

In modern English, "Mandarin" is also used to refer to any civil servant, often in a satirical context.
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Old 07-09-2006, 07:15 PM   #4
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Mandarin's kind of a magical villan and Favreau wants to go for a more realistic approach ala' Batman Begins. We could see him in a sequel but he'd have to be re-vamped. I don't think PC has anything to do with this one.

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Old 07-09-2006, 08:40 PM   #5
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PC move by the studio. Hes so stereotypically asian theyre afraid of backlash. Its really a fine line when you have a character created specifically to adhere to a stereotype.

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Old 07-10-2006, 01:44 AM   #6
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Favreau got across on the myspace that they were going for the technology based villains and not the mystical ones.

He said he didn't see how he could incorporate Mandarin from his first appearance in Tales of Suspense.

I imagine the execs. think they would offend Asian viewers and don't feel the character is PC.

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Old 07-10-2006, 01:50 AM   #7
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Old 07-10-2006, 05:55 AM   #8
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I think that everyone's forgetting that the Mandarin originally was a heavily technological character. Most of his schemes involved a lot of high tech stuff, much of it derived from his rings and/or the crashed starship in the Valley of the Dragons. It wasn't until the late 90's that he rejected technology and embraced magic in it's place.

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Old 07-10-2006, 08:11 AM   #9
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I think, like has been said it has a lot to do with Political Correctness, Mandarin may not be seen in a good light in the asian markets,where these movies make there money, especailly China.
I do agree that Mandarin didn't start out Mystical until the 90's when Marvel decided to turn him that way, but in the end even his 10 rings of power where Technology based.
I think, if they use Mandarin, use him in away that show's he's causing all of Starks problems, that man behind the screens, then use him in the third film as that main villian. just an idea anyway.

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Old 07-10-2006, 12:29 PM   #10
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Well, whether he's mystical or just has alien tech., it's still not a very reality based way to go, especially when IM has so many other enemies who do fit the credibility bill that a movie will need. In a similar fashion, I'm sure they're not going to go the Secret Wars way in explaining the black costume for SM3.

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Old 07-10-2006, 03:47 PM   #11
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I bet since they're going tech. based characters than they might go the Russian spy Titanium Man. That would be a good CGI fight.

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Old 07-10-2006, 03:57 PM   #12
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If we DO get the Mandarin, I don't think he'll be presented in his Fu Manchu personna (a reason why I think a lot of people think he would be a bad idea).

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Old 07-10-2006, 06:06 PM   #13
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Favreau got across on the myspace that they were going for the technology based villains and not the mystical ones.

He said he didn't see how he could incorporate Mandarin from his first appearance in Tales of Suspense.

I imagine the execs. think they would offend Asian viewers and don't feel the character is PC.
Also because he wants to give the film a sense of realism, rather than fantasy.

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I read that too. Either alien technology or magic would be too much in the realm of fantasy. They could reinvent him some other way that's more believable and relevant.

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Old 07-10-2006, 07:44 PM   #15
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I disagree. I'd rather they do Mandarin all the way or not at all. I don't want a watered down imitation like Dr. Doom in F4.

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Then they probably shouldn't do him. IM's got plenty or other realistic enemies to choose from.

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Then they probably shouldn't do him. IM's got plenty or other realistic enemies to choose from.
I agree, he has a ton of great villians, would I personally like to see Mandarin in a film, sure, but I want to see Crimson Dynamo, Titanium Man, Spymaster, Ghost and the lot much more.

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Old 07-12-2006, 02:19 PM   #18
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How has the Ultimate universe done Mandarin, if at all?

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Old 07-12-2006, 11:39 PM   #19
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There isn't an Ultimate Mandarin.

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Maybe Mandarin could be a Chinese bussiness man looking into Starks suits and weapons. He'd try to steal them or something and somehow create or get the rings.

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This PC stuff is bull****. I have asian friends who love the character. Look at the 90s show. Was The Mandarin at all offensive? Hell no.

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The Mandarin is still being featured in current comics, but he's not so much a Fu-Manchu type anymore, just an Asian corporate type.

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No. The Mandarin is currently dead in the comics and was succeeded by his son who became the new Mandarin.

Ultimately his son decided not to uphold his father's grudge against Tony Stark after they fought for a while.

The PC stuff is bull****, but that's what Marvel thinks.

Even though most Asians probably wouldn't have a problem with it, Asian civil rights groups would still make a fuss about it.

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I think in general the Mandarin would be too offbeat a villain for the first movie --- you're already busy setting up the idea of this high tech suit of armor, the corporate landscape, so you need a more Justin Hammer-type villain that plays into these themes.

I could see him working his way into a sequel, however. I think it could probably work to play him off in a similar way to Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins, meaning that you wouldn't necessarily deny the more far-fetched aspects of the character, but they won't need to be specifically mentioned either. The rings themselves could benefit from having that sense of mystery surrounding them.

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Dont' count out the Mandarin...but also don't expect to see the character from the comics though they'll use the name they'll bear no resemblence. Oops did I just say that. Gotta run.

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