Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back - Page 11

Red Mask · 08-19-2006, 10:46 PM

V for Vendetta was a backup? No way. It was made because the Wachowski brothers et al. loved the concept so much. They didn't care if the audience wasn't familiar with the graphic novel. Promotions would get them to watch it.

Marvel doesn't have to worry about exhausting their 'flagship' characters anymore than Warner Bros. WB has used Bugs Bunny many times. And Marvel can tell different stories with their different characters. WB can do the same with DC's characters if they showed more enthusiasm.

XCharlieX · 08-19-2006, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Mask

V for Vendetta was a backup? No way. It was made because the Wachowski brothers et al. loved the concept so much. They didn't care if the audience wasn't familiar with the graphic novel. Promotions would get them to watch it.

Marvel doesn't have to worry about exhausting their 'flagship' characters anymore than Warner Bros. WB has used Bugs Bunny many times.

lol comparing franchises to bugs bunny is just... wrong lmao

Main names of marvel may be used up since 2000's blitz kicked off things with X-Men, and they could fade away soon having run its course or mismanaged, so in that vein, id say they do have to worry, if they plan on making their miscellaneous titles just action spectacles and nothing else.

And i dont know how you misinterpreted "backup" and got offended lol. In terms for dc, it was a supporting film for the main two flagship franchises of Batman and Superman. Its always good for a lesser known DC film to come and knock one out of the park. In that way, its a backup, a reinforcement.

Red Mask · 08-20-2006, 06:05 AM

That's sad. Other comic book films should never be seen as a backup or support of more popular franchises. That includes Constantine. If these films were just action spectacles then they wouldn't be worth producing. You might say the same for DC's other heroes like Green Lantern and Flash. They don't much to offer if you put it that way. They're not even that unique with their different versions.

Finally, Superman and the Justice League are just as much a product as the Looney Tunes. If you'd visit the Warner Bros. stores you'd see how much they've treated them that way. T-shirts, mugs, toys, etc.

Erzengel · 08-20-2006, 07:27 AM

I don't know why it has to always be about Marvel vs. DC. I'm very critical of the latest releases from both Brands.

Sabretooth · 08-20-2006, 09:06 AM

While I wasn't that dissapointed with X3 and SR,I definitely fear for both Marvel and DC's futures. If this Green Lantern movie gets made,all hope is lost and DC will be shooting themselves in the foot. Ant-Man? I think he's an underrated character but I don't think he needs a movie just yet. And Hulk 2 is looking like quite the pile.

Kmack · 08-20-2006, 11:29 AM

Both companies are slipping in the creative department.

Chris Wallace · 08-21-2006, 10:08 AM

The reason why I keep going to box office is because that, unlike anything else that can be said on this thread, is a proveable fact. Whether or not X3 was better than Superman Returns is a matter of opinion. I throughly enjoyed X3. I also liked FF. The last Marvel movie that disappointed me was Elektra. I also enjoyed both V & Batman Begins. But guess what? That's MY personal opinion. It means nothing to ANYONE but me. As far as I'm concerned, Marvel hasn't "lost their edge" as long as I like the movies they put forth. As for DC/WB, until I enjoy something of theirs from somebody who DOESN'T wear a black cape, I can't say that they have much of an edge either.

Red Mask · 08-21-2006, 11:25 AM

It's the cape. People loooove black capes.

Chris Wallace · 08-21-2006, 11:27 AM

Hence the popularity of Zorro, Dracula & Darth Vader.

Mike059jig · 08-21-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kmack

Both companies are slipping in the creative department.

Yes they are.....Last great marvel movie was Spider-man 2...DC last great one was Batman Begins.....X3 was Junk,FF and Hulk was overwhelmly negative and not good films and is deemed by holywood as one of the worst superherofilms....Singer missed a beautiful opportunity to start the Superman franchise over but tried to make a film for his child hood hero rather than a Superman movie..which was dumb....All Hail Spider-man & Batman....

HighVoltage · 08-25-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike059jig

Yes they are.....Last great marvel movie was Spider-man 2...DC last great one was Batman Begins.....X3 was Junk,FF and Hulk was overwhelmly negative and not good films and is deemed by holywood as one of the worst superherofilms....Singer missed a beautiful opportunity to start the Superman franchise over but tried to make a film for his child hood hero rather than a Superman movie..which was dumb....All Hail Spider-man & Batman....

Spider-Man 2 is superior to Batman Begins, because Dc has a good film, this does not mean, that Batman Begins is similar or in the same league to another film, Batman Begins was a good film for Dc, but only for Dc, because Batman Begins is still an average comicbook movie.

Red Mask · 08-25-2006, 10:02 PM

Define 'average'. Remember, Batman doesn't have super powers.

brainchild81 · 08-26-2006, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by HighVoltage

Spider-Man 2 is superior to Batman Begins, because Dc has a good film, this does not mean, that Batman Begins is similar or in the same league to another film, Batman Begins was a good film for Dc, but only for Dc, because Batman Begins is still an average comicbook movie.

Ditto. Boo for those lousy fight scenes!!!!

Mike059jig · 08-30-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HighVoltage

Spider-Man 2 is superior to Batman Begins, because Dc has a good film, this does not mean, that Batman Begins is similar or in the same league to another film, Batman Begins was a good film for Dc, but only for Dc, because Batman Begins is still an average comicbook movie.

Umm No its not....Maybe thats a good thing to know that a Sequel is just a tab better than a Origin story...Spider-man 2 is great and on Par with Batman Begins...we haven't hit the sequel to BB yet and that says alot....Maybe you should match BB and Spider-man 1...and Since when is Batman Begins an average Film?....

Chris Wallace · 08-31-2006, 10:10 AM

Since people started forming their own opinions rather than let others tell them what to think.

Red Mask · 08-31-2006, 08:22 PM

Once again: Define 'average' superhero.

CaptainStacy · 09-01-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Wallace

The reason why I keep going to box office is because that, unlike anything else that can be said on this thread, is a proveable fact. Whether or not X3 was better than Superman Returns is a matter of opinion. I throughly enjoyed X3. I also liked FF. The last Marvel movie that disappointed me was Elektra. I also enjoyed both V & Batman Begins. But guess what? That's MY personal opinion. It means nothing to ANYONE but me. As far as I'm concerned, Marvel hasn't "lost their edge" as long as I like the movies they put forth. As for DC/WB, until I enjoy something of theirs from somebody who DOESN'T wear a black cape, I can't say that they have much of an edge either.

Agreed on all points.

Movies205 · 09-01-2006, 07:28 PM

Superman Returns sucked, it's disappointing BO showed the rest of AMerica agree so at this point, I think we can all agree that DC and Marvel are tied for huge amounts of suckage

brainchild81 · 09-02-2006, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Wallace

The reason why I keep going to box office is because that, unlike anything else that can be said on this thread, is a proveable fact. Whether or not X3 was better than Superman Returns is a matter of opinion. I throughly enjoyed X3. I also liked FF. The last Marvel movie that disappointed me was Elektra. I also enjoyed both V & Batman Begins. But guess what? That's MY personal opinion. It means nothing to ANYONE but me. As far as I'm concerned, Marvel hasn't "lost their edge" as long as I like the movies they put forth. As for DC/WB, until I enjoy something of theirs from somebody who DOESN'T wear a black cape, I can't say that they have much of an edge either.

Good post. Wolverine 3 sucked though

DACrowe · 09-03-2006, 03:41 PM

People need to chill as DC tends to be only doing two heroes and Marvel as of right now is only doing one hero well.

Weadazoid · 09-03-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DACrowe

People need to chill as DC tends to be only doing two heroes and Marvel as of right now is only doing one hero well.

really don't know how you can say that when DC only has Batman locked in while Marvel has um lets see

Ghost Rider, Spiderman 3 (which given the release date could shatter records) FF2, Iron Man and The Increadible Hulk all lined up

Erzengel · 09-03-2006, 05:38 PM

He's just voicing what quite a few people have been saying. Yes DC/Warner Brothers have to get off their ass and release more movies besides Superman and Batman.

But Marvel's movies since Spiderman 2 left something to be desired. It's great that they have a bunch of movies lined up but I'm starting to go into Marvel's movies with a lowered sense of expectations after the last 2 years.

brainchild81 · 09-03-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DACrowe

People need to chill as DC tends to be only doing two heroes and Marvel as of right now is only doing one hero well.

But DC's only doing an adequate job w/Batman. Supes Returns was a waste of time & money

DACrowe · 09-03-2006, 08:04 PM

Well I thought Superman Returns was decent and lightyears ahead of X3.

Sure Marvel has FF2 coming out and Incredible Hulk but both of those movies look like they are going to suck something major. While Iron Man can go either way and we'll see in 2008 how that pans out.

Marvel had the X-Men franchise but then they let Tom Rothman run that franchise into the ground and ruin it. So now they have Spider-Man and DC has Batman.

I'd say they're pretty even then.

Weadazoid · 09-03-2006, 08:17 PM

WHy is it do you think that FF2 will suck? I admit I am iffy on the Hulk but hey I liked the first one and really want to see the CGI back in place and better for a 2nd time around.

But with FF2 they have the silver surfer and a strong actor behind him, they have more money in the budget and a fan base established. Despite the terrible reviews FF had a fun factor that will have people back in the seats, and IMO it will crush Transformers if Transformers is hel bent on oeping in the same weekend.

08-19-2006, 10:46 PM	#251
Red Mask Human Killing Machine Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,684	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back V for Vendetta was a backup? No way. It was made because the Wachowski brothers et al. loved the concept so much. They didn't care if the audience wasn't familiar with the graphic novel. Promotions would get them to watch it. Marvel doesn't have to worry about exhausting their 'flagship' characters anymore than Warner Bros. WB has used Bugs Bunny many times. And Marvel can tell different stories with their different characters. WB can do the same with DC's characters if they showed more enthusiasm. __________________ The swordsmanship's first achievement is the unity of man and sword. Once this unity is attained even a blade of grass can be a weapon. The second achievement is when the sword exists in one's heart. When absent from one's hand one can strike an enemy at paces even with bare hands. Swordsmanship's ultimate achievement is the absence of the sword in both hand and heart. The swordsman is at peace with the rest of the world. He vows not to kill. Last edited by Red Mask; 08-19-2006 at 10:50 PM.

08-20-2006, 06:05 AM	#253
Red Mask Human Killing Machine Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,684	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back That's sad. Other comic book films should never be seen as a backup or support of more popular franchises. That includes Constantine. If these films were just action spectacles then they wouldn't be worth producing. You might say the same for DC's other heroes like Green Lantern and Flash. They don't much to offer if you put it that way. They're not even that unique with their different versions. Finally, Superman and the Justice League are just as much a product as the Looney Tunes. If you'd visit the Warner Bros. stores you'd see how much they've treated them that way. T-shirts, mugs, toys, etc. __________________ The swordsmanship's first achievement is the unity of man and sword. Once this unity is attained even a blade of grass can be a weapon. The second achievement is when the sword exists in one's heart. When absent from one's hand one can strike an enemy at paces even with bare hands. Swordsmanship's ultimate achievement is the absence of the sword in both hand and heart. The swordsman is at peace with the rest of the world. He vows not to kill.

08-20-2006, 07:27 AM	#254
Erzengel \|-o-\| (-o-) \|-o-\| Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 58,773	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back I don't know why it has to always be about Marvel vs. DC. I'm very critical of the latest releases from both Brands. __________________ What SHH Class Are You?

08-20-2006, 09:06 AM	#255
Sabretooth Banned User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 18,280	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back While I wasn't that dissapointed with X3 and SR,I definitely fear for both Marvel and DC's futures. If this Green Lantern movie gets made,all hope is lost and DC will be shooting themselves in the foot. Ant-Man? I think he's an underrated character but I don't think he needs a movie just yet. And Hulk 2 is looking like quite the pile.

08-20-2006, 11:29 AM	#256
Kmack Cheers! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wouldn't you like to know Posts: 26,049	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back Both companies are slipping in the creative department. __________________ Shut your eyes. avatars by CConn/hunter rider

08-21-2006, 10:08 AM	#257
Chris Wallace LET'S DO A HEADCOUNT... Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 35,580	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back The reason why I keep going to box office is because that, unlike anything else that can be said on this thread, is a proveable fact. Whether or not X3 was better than Superman Returns is a matter of opinion. I throughly enjoyed X3. I also liked FF. The last Marvel movie that disappointed me was Elektra. I also enjoyed both V & Batman Begins. But guess what? That's MY personal opinion. It means nothing to ANYONE but me. As far as I'm concerned, Marvel hasn't "lost their edge" as long as I like the movies they put forth. As for DC/WB, until I enjoy something of theirs from somebody who DOESN'T wear a black cape, I can't say that they have much of an edge either. __________________ Michael Joseph Jackson 1958-2009. Gone Too Soon. May he finally find the peace that eluded him in life. TOP COMIC BOOK MOVIES 1. AVENGERS 2. CAPTAIN AMERICA 3. THOR 4. SPIDER-MAN 2 5. INCREDIBLE HULK 6. IRON MAN 7. SPIDER-MAN 8. X2 9. V FOR VENDETTA 10. X-MEN FIRST CLASS

08-21-2006, 11:25 AM	#258
Red Mask Human Killing Machine Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,684	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back It's the cape. People loooove black capes. __________________ The swordsmanship's first achievement is the unity of man and sword. Once this unity is attained even a blade of grass can be a weapon. The second achievement is when the sword exists in one's heart. When absent from one's hand one can strike an enemy at paces even with bare hands. Swordsmanship's ultimate achievement is the absence of the sword in both hand and heart. The swordsman is at peace with the rest of the world. He vows not to kill.

08-21-2006, 11:27 AM	#259
Chris Wallace LET'S DO A HEADCOUNT... Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 35,580	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back Hence the popularity of Zorro, Dracula & Darth Vader. __________________ Michael Joseph Jackson 1958-2009. Gone Too Soon. May he finally find the peace that eluded him in life. TOP COMIC BOOK MOVIES 1. AVENGERS 2. CAPTAIN AMERICA 3. THOR 4. SPIDER-MAN 2 5. INCREDIBLE HULK 6. IRON MAN 7. SPIDER-MAN 8. X2 9. V FOR VENDETTA 10. X-MEN FIRST CLASS

08-25-2006, 10:02 PM	#262
Red Mask Human Killing Machine Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,684	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back Define 'average'. Remember, Batman doesn't have super powers. __________________ The swordsmanship's first achievement is the unity of man and sword. Once this unity is attained even a blade of grass can be a weapon. The second achievement is when the sword exists in one's heart. When absent from one's hand one can strike an enemy at paces even with bare hands. Swordsmanship's ultimate achievement is the absence of the sword in both hand and heart. The swordsman is at peace with the rest of the world. He vows not to kill.

08-31-2006, 10:10 AM	#265
Chris Wallace LET'S DO A HEADCOUNT... Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 35,580	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back Since people started forming their own opinions rather than let others tell them what to think. __________________ Michael Joseph Jackson 1958-2009. Gone Too Soon. May he finally find the peace that eluded him in life. TOP COMIC BOOK MOVIES 1. AVENGERS 2. CAPTAIN AMERICA 3. THOR 4. SPIDER-MAN 2 5. INCREDIBLE HULK 6. IRON MAN 7. SPIDER-MAN 8. X2 9. V FOR VENDETTA 10. X-MEN FIRST CLASS

08-31-2006, 08:22 PM	#266
Red Mask Human Killing Machine Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,684	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back Once again: Define 'average' superhero. __________________ The swordsmanship's first achievement is the unity of man and sword. Once this unity is attained even a blade of grass can be a weapon. The second achievement is when the sword exists in one's heart. When absent from one's hand one can strike an enemy at paces even with bare hands. Swordsmanship's ultimate achievement is the absence of the sword in both hand and heart. The swordsman is at peace with the rest of the world. He vows not to kill.

09-03-2006, 03:41 PM	#270
DACrowe Side-Kick Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: No longer NC Posts: 24,745	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back People need to chill as DC tends to be only doing two heroes and Marvel as of right now is only doing one hero well.

09-03-2006, 05:38 PM	#272
Erzengel \|-o-\| (-o-) \|-o-\| Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 58,773	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back He's just voicing what quite a few people have been saying. Yes DC/Warner Brothers have to get off their ass and release more movies besides Superman and Batman. But Marvel's movies since Spiderman 2 left something to be desired. It's great that they have a bunch of movies lined up but I'm starting to go into Marvel's movies with a lowered sense of expectations after the last 2 years. __________________ What SHH Class Are You?

09-03-2006, 08:04 PM	#274
DACrowe Side-Kick Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: No longer NC Posts: 24,745	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back Well I thought Superman Returns was decent and lightyears ahead of X3. Sure Marvel has FF2 coming out and Incredible Hulk but both of those movies look like they are going to suck something major. While Iron Man can go either way and we'll see in 2008 how that pans out. Marvel had the X-Men franchise but then they let Tom Rothman run that franchise into the ground and ruin it. So now they have Spider-Man and DC has Batman. I'd say they're pretty even then.

09-03-2006, 08:17 PM	#275
Weadazoid Side-Kick Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Illadel Posts: 4,030	Re: Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back WHy is it do you think that FF2 will suck? I admit I am iffy on the Hulk but hey I liked the first one and really want to see the CGI back in place and better for a 2nd time around. But with FF2 they have the silver surfer and a strong actor behind him, they have more money in the budget and a fan base established. Despite the terrible reviews FF had a fun factor that will have people back in the seats, and IMO it will crush Transformers if Transformers is hel bent on oeping in the same weekend. __________________ 100 chimps working in unison to create the next great American Novel... It was the best of times it..... it was the blurst of times??? You have to love Mr. Burns.

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