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Old 03-20-2017, 02:44 AM   #1
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Default Mystique gave Wolverine to Caliban like she did Nightcrawler

I rewatched the scene with Caliban and it's implied that this isn't the first time she's brought him Mutants.

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Old 03-20-2017, 10:58 AM   #2
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Where does this speculative suggestion get us though?

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Old 03-20-2017, 12:45 PM   #3
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well he didn't do a very good job of helping him if he still ended up with Stryker

although, this would explain how Logan knew him, and why he would turn to him to help again in the future


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Old 03-20-2017, 12:51 PM   #4
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well he didn't do a very good job of helping him if he still ended up with Styker
She technically was saving him from drowning, not really from stryker.

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Old 03-20-2017, 04:16 PM   #5
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Stryker simply had to be Stryker at the end of DOFP if the intent was always for Wolverine to end up in Weapon X.

You wanted Mystique saving other mutants have her save someone else, not Wolverine.

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Its weird how people have always assumed stryker got wolverine against his will by either having someone take him to stryker or by capturing him but in X2 it was stated wolverine volunteered and thats why origins had to find a reason to have Logan volunteer.

In the long run there was a 10 year gap inbetween DOFP and Apocalypse so it doesn't really matter.

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Old 03-20-2017, 04:30 PM   #7
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In the long run there was a 10 year gap inbetween DOFP and Apocalypse so it doesn't really matter.
It does matter when they made a point of saving him in the previous movie.

Excusing bad writing and bad continuity.

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It does matter when they made a point of saving him in the previous movie.

Excusing bad writing and bad continuity.
Saved him from drowning with a fake out.

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It does matter when they made a point of saving him in the previous movie.

Excusing bad writing and bad continuity.
You could argue bad writing but not bad continuity. Considering we now know that Logan met Stryker through the military and volunteered like in the old timeline through the latest film(he had the "Wolverine" military identification tag).


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Old 03-21-2017, 12:52 PM   #10
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In the long run there was a 10 year gap inbetween DOFP and Apocalypse so it doesn't really matter.
It's weird that you invoke the 10 year gap for this but when this same reasoning is used for other potential events, you cry foul.

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It's weird that you invoke the 10 year gap for this but when this same reasoning is used for other potential events, you cry foul.
Well there is desire and there is common sense.

You can use the 10 year excuse for anything but sometimes quicksilver will sit in his mums basement for 10 years and sometimes a character will move on to other things, it just depends on the probability.

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She technically was saving him from drowning, not really from Stryker.
I meant Caliban not her

if after she saved him from drowning she then brought him to Caliban to provide him a new identity an safe passage to wherever

I did get the feeling in Apocalypse that Mystique and Stryker had more history then just what we saw in DOFP, so I would assume she's rescued other mutants from him between the events of the two movies

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Its weird how people have always assumed stryker got wolverine against his will by either having someone take him to stryker or by capturing him but in X2 it was stated wolverine volunteered and thats why origins had to find a reason to have Logan volunteer.

In the long run there was a 10 year gap inbetween DOFP and Apocalypse so it doesn't really matter.
I guess it is possible that the younger Logan remembered the flashback that future Logan had when he first saw Stryker agian(in the past), and was seeking answers for the messing gap of time between when his future self took him over and waking up in the water... and the only thing he remember was Stryker was in the room, and that someone that looked like him was the one who got him out of the water... so he was the one who found Stryker

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Well there is desire and there is common sense.

You can use the 10 year excuse for anything but sometimes quicksilver will sit in his mums basement for 10 years and sometimes a character will move on to other things, it just depends on the probability.
So where does your proposed "Mystique staying for 10 years in the mansion to still lead the X-men" fall?

You know, known lone-wolf and independent woman Mystique.

Is this desire on your part or is this (lack of) common sense?

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