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![]() No, it's not just you. Talia was a misfire in the story, IMO. Tate was a dull under developed character, and Talia was just the "twist" at the end, and existed all too briefly to even care about her. Btw, great posts, The Guard ![]()
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About who Ra's is and what his backstory is. The interpretation I got from Begins was that the reason Ra's joined the LoS was for the same reasons as Bruce, because he was a lost soul. Others filled in the blanks from the comics which is fine, but the information given to us in Begins is minimal and thus open to opinion as to his backstory which is perfectly fine. My issue is that Rises effectively cancelled out the ambiguity for Ra's backstory meaning people like me are left feeling like they've been told they've been watching the film wrong for 7 years.
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I would change a LOT about the movie. But the one that sticks out the most to me, is probably going to be the ending. My god, did I hate the ending. I can only assume that Batman borrowed the refrigerator from Indiana Jones, and stuck it in The Bat, so he could survive the nuke.
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Or he has a fridge of his own already in The Bat.
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The thing that I don't like about the ending is that to me that is not Batman. The thing that I have always been drawn to with Batman is that he is a tragic hero, meaning someone who is destined to be alone, and the fact that BW gets to "live happily ever after" doesn't sit well with me.
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I found the shot in Rises of young Ra's being dropped off in the middle of nowhere and then walking out into the distance to be a direct mirror of the shot of Bruce walking towards the mountains in Begins right before he picks the blue flower. Both shots start with the scenic view, with Bruce/Ra's walking into frame, both carrying a bag on their backs. Two young lost souls, looking for a path. And both end up being drawn into the League of Shadows. Also interesting to note, Bruce is walking to the left of frame while Ra's walks to the right. Considering that this very shot of Bruce from Begins was featured in the teaser for TDKR, I highly doubt this was just a coincidence. (Also cool to note, this shot was also featured in the Batman Begins teaser) Last edited by BatLobsterRises; 11-20-2012 at 01:15 AM. |
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The thought of Alfred crying like that at Bruce's grave and him actually being dead is almost too heavy for me. Alfred doesn't deserve that weight.
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I hated it when Gordon faked his death in TDK, but that was a minor plot point in the middle of the film and used to keep things moving and tensions high. In TDKR, it was much worse as it was the culmination of basically what the entire trilogy had been building up to at that point. Now, don't get me wrong, on it's own, Alfred crying at the graves and saying "I've failed you," to Thomas and Martha is one of the most beautiful scenes I've ever seen in any movie ever. Caine is absolutely heartbreaking. But on repeating viewings/when you find out that really he's been crying over nothing, it makes the whole moment feel very cheap. Imagine how it would taint that moment in Godfather II when Michale's head drops as he hears the gunshot that kills his brother and he realizes he's finally lost his entire family, if five minutes later we find out that Fredo isn't actually dead. |
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I don't know, I am perfectly fine with Bruce Wayne "living happily ever after". Much as what Kevin Smith said on one of his podcasts, this guy has gone through so much ****, it's nice to actually see Wayne get a happy ending through this journey since this will be basically be the only time we'll see him have a happy ending. Nolan took many liberties, and one of them was finally giving Bruce pure freedom.
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Lol. I can't imagine what a bat flick written by you would look like. Although I wish you'd write it because you have implied on more than one occasion Nolan really had no clue wtf he's doing.
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I would actually love to see every fanboy/girl get a chance to write and/or direct a CBM just to see how the product would be like.
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True. But the guard tries to present himself as some type of authority on the subject of good/bad writing and actually speaks as if Nolan is a hack at times. I'm actually genuinely curious at his credentials that allows him to be so critical of such a renowned director. I consider myself a good writer and I don't see anything in tdkr I'd consider hack writing. So perhaps I'm not seeing the forest for the trees and need an expert such as the guard to explain or show what good writing really is.. It goes beyond merely having gripes w the films; he flat out states Nolan and co wrote terribly bad and have no clue themselves what they were trying to get across w the story. So I am genuinely intrigued, perhaps he is an idiot savant who could lead us to the greatest bayman adaptation ever. I'd love to see him give it a shot.
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Yes, the reason is that like Gotham he is starting anew in the way that Alfred had hoped he would learn to do. It's a great way to thematically tie everything up. I don't see how people are missing this. Not liking it is one thing, but to deny its existence and its intellectual strength is poor viewing comprehension.
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People who a) realize someone will eventually figure out that they were Batman and so don't want their enemies after them, b) don't want to be arrested for being a vigilante, c) want to help their new gf get a fresh start with a "clean slate" without drawing attention to her via associating her with a living celebrity playboy.... lots of reasons.
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