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Old 07-03-2016, 10:33 PM   #76
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All I'm saying is someone like Varys could use a little soft power in pushing Gendry in the Crownlands and especially Storm's End to weaken Cersei from the inside before mobilizing. If Gendry is given the right backers, he's more understandable as King than Jon is IMO given the succession mess in Kings Landing.
It wouldn't matter how many powerful Houses backed Gendry; he has no claim whatsoever to anything in spite of being Robert's son because there's absolutely no way of establishing that he IS in fact Robert's son.

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Old 07-03-2016, 10:35 PM   #77
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He abandoned his lifelong duty on the wall.
No, he didn't.

His "lifelong duty on the Wall" ended the moment Alisair Thorne, Olly, and the rest of the Night's Watch traitors killed him.

You're making an argument that is objectively wrong.

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Old 07-03-2016, 10:48 PM   #78
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No, he didn't.

His "lifelong duty on the Wall" ended the moment Alisair Thorne, Olly, and the rest of the Night's Watch traitors killed him.

You're making an argument that is objectively wrong.
You can talk objective all you want. Whoever wrote the Night's Watch oath probably didn't have in mind a guy dying and then living again a day later. It's kind of absurd to claim absolutes in an extraordinary situation like Jon being RISEN FROM THE DEAD.

Varys knows about Gendry! The master of spies knows about him. We can make all these excuses for Jon and Cersei, but Gendry? That's just crazy talk lol

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Old 07-03-2016, 10:56 PM   #79
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^ Jon is an ACKNOWLEDGED bastard; Gendry is not.

That's the difference.

Also, you can continue to argue that Jon is a deserter until the cows come home, but that doesn't make anything you say even remotely true.

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Old 07-03-2016, 10:57 PM   #80
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I think these people that hate the wildlings don't even really know why. At this point, they are starting to realize that they were wrong about them.

There's a difference between dying and being able to be medically revived and being so far gone that you need magic or divine intervention to resurrect you.

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Old 07-03-2016, 11:16 PM   #81
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^ Jon is an ACKNOWLEDGED bastard; Gendry is not.

That's the difference.

Also, you can continue to argue that Jon is a deserter until the cows come home, but that doesn't make anything you say even remotely true.
You can say he's not a deserter until the cows come home, that doesn't make you absolutely correct. If you just keep saying I'm wrong maybe it'll make it so. If not you can refute me and argue the points.

I think we're just going in circles anyway about Jon deserting the Watch. I'll say my last little piece and let it die.

There's no reason Varys and his network couldn't present Gendry as Robert's bastard. For goodness sake Joffery had some master list of Robert's bastards and Gendry was on it. Ser Davos, the only first hand guy presumably telling these Northern lords that Jon died and came back to life and that makes him free of his Watch duties... Ser Davos has somehow the credibility to make these claims to Northern lords. But man no one can just throw Gendry out there in the middle of this succession vacuum in King's Landing. That's just too crazy. Stretch the limits of your imaginations for Cersei sitting on the iron throne and the Knights of the Vale shouting "King in the North" at Jon Snow. But any possible mention of Gendry as maybe the lost and rightful heir is just a bridge too far.

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Old 07-03-2016, 11:21 PM   #82
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I think these people that hate the wildlings don't even really know why. At this point, they are starting to realize that they were wrong about them.

There's a difference between dying and being able to be medically revived and being so far gone that you need magic or divine intervention to resurrect you.
Obviously the prejudices against the wildlings are wrong and their aggressions south of the wall are a self-fulfilling prophecy for the southerners.

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He abandoned his lifelong duty on the wall. I can understand your reading of it, but it's a loophole. It's a difference of interpretation.

If something were to happen to me, and let's say I'm clinically dead for a minute or two before being revived, does that mean I'm no longer married to my wife? Have I fulfilled my vows to her?

Either way, it is immaterial because none of the northern lords would actually believe Jon Snow was risen from the dead. To them he should just be a deserter.
It doesn't matter if the northern lords believe whether Jon Snow was dead or not; he has been crowned the King of the North. His oath is irrelevant right now.

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Old 07-04-2016, 05:16 AM   #84
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Gendry was never acknowledged as being Robert's bastard son, so his Baratheon blood means virtually nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNb6qbha5OM
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Someone sure acknowledged it.
"why do you think the goldcloaks wanted you?" Joffrey sent the Goldcloaks after him... HMMMM WHY? FOR FUN?


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Jon has at least been acknowledged as a bastard, which won't change even if/when it comes to light that Ned lied about his parentage.
Do you actually read what you type, or just try to say as much bull**** as you can to troll?

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but that doesn't make anything you say even remotely true.
I'm so glad you, of all people, said that


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Old 07-04-2016, 05:44 AM   #85
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There's something wrong with his medulla oblangata.

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Old 07-04-2016, 06:59 AM   #86
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We have completely deviated from the topic of the thread.

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Old 07-04-2016, 07:01 AM   #87
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Old 07-04-2016, 08:05 AM   #88
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Gendry was acknowledged as a Baratheon bastard by Stannis. Those within his circle knew that, and should the likes of Davos come forth with that knowledge then the Stormlords and those who particularly care about House Baratheon's existence would rally behind him.

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Old 07-04-2016, 08:20 AM   #89
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Stannis, Joffrey, Ned, Jon Arryn,

quite a few did. But digisnail will say some crap like "well Robert never said it himself" or "well in the BTS D&D didn't make a family chart and thoroughly explain it to me with details about the whore, the date of birth, the dna samples" or "Jon's not coming back. deal with it".

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Stannis, Joffrey, Ned, Jon Arryn,

quite a few did. But digisnail will say some crap like "well Robert never said it himself" or "well in the BTS D&D didn't make a family chart and thoroughly explain it to me with details about the whore, the date of birth, the dna samples" or "Jon's not coming back. deal with it".
Davos too. Arya Stark knows it as well. Melisandre is riding south and I'm thinking she's going to run into Arya and Gendry. She knows Gendry has king's blood, and her seeing Arya again was kind of foreshadowed.

Varys most likely knows too, and in the book he's the one who gets him out of King's Landing before the purge

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Gendry was acknowledged as a Baratheon bastard by Stannis. Those within his circle knew that, and should the likes of Davos come forth with that knowledge then the Stormlords and those who particularly care about House Baratheon's existence would rally behind him.
That's kind of what I'm hoping for. The Stormlands have been completely neglected and forgotten about by the show. We have no idea what's going on there. Gendry may not make it as King, but surely he can be legitimized and become Lord of the Stormlands to carry on the Baratheon name.

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^ Jon is an ACKNOWLEDGED bastard; Gendry is not.

That's the difference.

Also, you can continue to argue that Jon is a deserter until the cows come home, but that doesn't make anything you say even remotely true.
Technically he's not abandoning the post. As Lord Commander he has the power to send himself or rangers ,maesters out for training,recruiting,scouting etc. His mission is the same as the Knights Watch and that is to protect the kingdoms from the White Walkers. To do that he has to rally an army.
Now he might have said "my watch has ended" but for all intents and purposes it hasn't. Whether he wants to admit it (or anyone else) he is still on the watch. He just couldn't do what he needed to do at the Wall.

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Old 07-04-2016, 10:08 AM   #92
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Someone sure acknowledged it.
"why do you think the goldcloaks wanted you?" Joffrey sent the Goldcloaks after him... HMMMM WHY? FOR FUN?
Joffrey knew Gendry was a bastard, and chose to pull a "King Herod", but I'm talking about LEGAL acknowledgment of one's bastard status here, which Jon has and Gendry doesn't.

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Even if he's Lyanna and Rhaegar's bastard, Jon was legally acknowledged as Ned's; unless my understanding of the way that legal bastard acknowledgment works in Westeros (the world as a whole, not the continent/kingdom) is wrong, that's not going to change even if/when it comes to light that Jon is in fact the bastard son of Rhaegar.

You are clearly determined to try and pick fights with me, which says more about you than it does about me.

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You're asking for legal acknowledgement but really that's a mute point when so many important figures know he's Robert's bastard, the fact that the Stormlands have no heir, and obviously legal matters are irrelevant when you've got completely new precedents being set with Cersei being Queen and Jon passing over Sansa as Warden.

Laws are ignored or rewritten at the show runners whim

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Maybe Ser Maury Povich can host a paternity event in Cobbler's Square.

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Maybe Ser Maury Povich can host a paternity event in Cobbler's Square.

The GOT universe is too messed up for even Maury or Jerry Springer to handle.

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Joffrey knew Gendry was a bastard, and chose to pull a "King Herod", but I'm talking about LEGAL acknowledgment of one's bastard status here, which Jon has and Gendry doesn't.



Even if he's Lyanna and Rhaegar's bastard, Jon was legally acknowledged as Ned's; unless my understanding of the way that legal bastard acknowledgment works in Westeros (the world as a whole, not the continent/kingdom) is wrong, that's not going to change even if/when it comes to light that Jon is in fact the bastard son of Rhaegar.

You are clearly determined to try and pick fights with me, which says more about you than it does about me.


In order for me to have a debate/fight with someone, the other person would have to have the slightest idea as to what they are talking about. Had you not been a condescending snail so often, I might not despise you.

As for the legal crap.. the thread title is PERHAPS RHAEGAR MARRIED LYANNA. If Jon is known to be their son... and they were married. He is not a bastard.

Educate yourself before you try educating others. it gets old.

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And before someone mentions that Rhaegar was already married, the laws on monogamy were always quite fluid.

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Targaryens have married more than one person before. Not surprising since I am sure not all of them wanted to **** their sisters all the time.

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Or they didn't want to stop at sleeping with just one sister

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Old 07-04-2016, 09:06 PM   #100
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sibling gang bangs aren't unheard of..

and since Stannis was king at the time and named Gendry a bastard of Robert... I'm not sure what more 'legal' confirmation anyone would need

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