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Old 08-16-2017, 06:02 PM   #101
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I assume Benjen has been shadowing the army of the dead. Thats probably one of the things hes been doing since he was resurrected. Following it without drawing attention to himself. If he was then he would have seen what was happening and when he saw Jon climb out of the water and the wights go after him he had to intervene or allow Jon to die.

If we hadnt seen him last season it would seem way too random and wouldnt hold up to scrutiny at all, but with what we know from his conversation with Bran it makes sense that he would be near the army of the dead.

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Old 08-16-2017, 06:11 PM   #102
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I assume Benjen has been shadowing the army of the dead. Thats probably one of the things hes been doing since he was resurrected. Following it without drawing attention to himself. If he was then he would have seen what was happening and when he saw Jon climb out of the water and the wights go after him he had to intervene or allow Jon to die.

If we hadnt seen him last season it would seem way too random and wouldnt hold up to scrutiny at all, but with what we know from his conversation with Bran it makes sense that he would be near the army of the dead.
I'm sure that's the idea, but I dunno, it would've felt less like a cheat to me if we had SEEN him shadowing them this season, like in that shot in Episode 1 of the army of the dead headed toward Westeros. Just one shot of Benjen watching them or something at that point would've made this payoff feel more satisfying to me. But oh well, it's just a nitpick.

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Old 08-16-2017, 06:13 PM   #103
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OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD.

I've been completely avoiding leaks and spoilers until now but OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD. I need some time to breathe.

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Old 08-16-2017, 06:18 PM   #104
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I'm sure that's the idea, but I dunno, it would've felt less like a cheat to me if we had SEEN him shadowing them this season, like in that shot in Episode 1 of the army of the dead headed toward Westeros. Just one shot of Benjen watching them or something at that point would've made this payoff feel more satisfying to me. But oh well, it's just a nitpick.
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Agreed. We should have seen him on a ridge overlooking the army. Like a sniper in a ghillie suit watching his target.

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Old 08-16-2017, 06:31 PM   #105
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This episode put me through the motions! One thing I wished though...Dany should've showed more emotions afterwards. And they had Rhaegal totally disappear for some odd reason afterwards.


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Old 08-16-2017, 06:33 PM   #106
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I was referring to what Beric and Jon discussed. Killing the NK will destroy the whole army because the NK created all the White Walkers.






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Later in the episode, Beric tells Jon that the NK created all the Whote Walkers so if they kill him it will destrpy the whole army of the dead. So that seems to be how D&D intend to have the heros defeat the army of the dead.
A common trope in horror/science fiction. The White Walkers are too good for that. Damn shame.

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Old 08-16-2017, 07:32 PM   #107
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I thought she maybe could no longer physically have children after what happened during the ritual where she lost her baby with Khal Drogo, or is that not the case and she simply doesn't want to have anymore children?

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Old 08-16-2017, 07:48 PM   #108
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Daenerys is under the assumption that she's incapable of having children.

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Old 08-16-2017, 07:50 PM   #109
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LOVED daenerys winter clothing. So beautiful. HATED arya in this episode. she is such a weirdo. Needs to be slapped imo

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I gave in to temptation and watched it. Holy ****ing ****. Definitely the best of the season so far. I don't know if I'd call it the best of the series but it's up there.

Viserion's death made me sad even though he was always more of a "backup dragon", but that resurrection gave me chills. Tormund's close call scared the hell out of me. I also really thought NK was going to take Jon captive before Benjen Ex Machina showed up. But the thing that hyped me most was that the Hound is on his way to King's Landing. CLEGANEBOWL, BABY!!!!!


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Old 08-16-2017, 07:58 PM   #111
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It was hella predictable but I enjoyed almost every minute of it.

Did wish there were more significant human deaths.

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Old 08-16-2017, 08:02 PM   #112
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Did wish there were more significant human deaths.
Thoros's death wasn't shocking at all, but I'm shocked that Beric made it out alive. Tormund almost bit it and out of the more popular characters who went on the trip he was the one I thought they may kill off since Jon and the Hound have unfinished business and they only just brought back Jorah and Gendry.

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This episode put me through the motions! One thing I wished though...Dany should've showed more emotions afterwards. And they had Rhaegal totally disappear for some odd reason afterwards.
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She teared up when she was with Jon. They havent completely opened up to each other so it makes sense that she wouldnt completely break down in his room. I would have liked a scene with her and Jorah. Him hugging her and her just crumbling in his arms. But at this point I think Dany's experiences have made her emotionally tough. Shes hurting a lot, but shes trying to keep her composure around others.

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I feel like Dany was more than a little bit in shock.

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I just wanted her to shout out when it happened. Hopefully this leads her to show more interest in someone besides Drogon though.


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Old 08-16-2017, 08:22 PM   #116
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It would have been hard for them to take it all in when it was happening in the moment. Thousands of wights descending on them, Jon's fighting wights by himself, three insanely tough massive dragons are burning hundreds of wights, Dany's trying to get everyone onto Drogon's back, up until that point the dragons had no real natural vulnerability so she wasnt worried about their safety much, and then out of nowhere Viserion is screaming, fire and blood is pouring from his side, and he's falling out of the sky. And then Jon is yelling to flee and he gets pulled under the water. Silent shock was an appropriate reaction in the moment. None of them really had the time or the ability to think through the events at that moment.


Jon's glare at the NK tho...if looks could kill...

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Ah, but what is dead may never die.

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I'm hoping that next time they contact with one another that they still have a connection that causes a surprise betrayal.

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Daenerys is under the assumption that she's incapable of having children.
And its looking like she's in for a surprise

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There are three instances where they talk about babies/the next gen

1. Jon offers Longclaw back to Jorah. Jorah refuses and says it belongs to Jon now and LC should go to Jon's children.

2. Tyrion and Dany have a conversation about who will succeed Dany on the throne. She says they'll talk about it once she has the throne...but Tyrion makes a good argument that "breaking the wheel" will most likely take one than her reign. And they need to find a way for the wheel to not come back and since she cant have kids they need a plan.

3. Dany tells Jon that the Dragon's are the only children she'll ever have and if he understands/ok with that.

ANd if the leaks are correct for next week, the two discuss it again. You don't bring it up THAT many times unless something is gunna happen.

A lot of people are guessing that #EPICBOATSEX ends up actually being #EPICBOATCONCEPTION




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Given the nature Necromancy...most corpses are being powered by the magic of another and sustain off it. Take away the magic...no power. But that's just me
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Dope episodes. I really liked the interactions between Jorah, Beric, Thoros, Tormund, Sandor etc. Just makes me lament what Suicide Squad could've been.

But otherwise, still a dope episode. The Night King is one BMF.

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Kind of weird... cause if thats the case... shouldn't Beric have died when Thoros did?


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Old 08-16-2017, 09:52 PM   #124
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Kind of weird... cause if thats the case... shouldn't Beric have died when Thoros did?


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Regarding Beric vs wights in regards to your point, the "fire wights" are clearly animated by more than pure magic; even the most wrecked and rotted version from the books is clearly still driven by some revenant of the person's soul. The ice wights are brainless automatons with only the barest hint of their own will. And the fire wights seem to clearly still carry most of the traits of the living, while the wights are just lich zombies.

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Kind of weird... cause if thats the case... shouldn't Beric have died when Thoros did?


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Different kind of magic. He and Jon were brought back by fire magic...wights are ice magic

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