The SuperHeroHype Forums  

Go Back   The SuperHeroHype Forums > Spider-Man > The Amazing Spider-Man 2

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-14-2018, 09:36 PM   #926
ironwez20
Side-Kick
 
ironwez20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: konoha
Posts: 3,590
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

Um... The parents angle was quite frankly the most uninteresting aspect ever put in a superhero movie. Peter's drive is uncleben not what happened to his parents. Then we have the whole magic blood crap it was ridiculous. What do you mean what was stuffed in? Read what you just typed. They put in all those characters and they did nothing to move the plot further they were there for fan service and nothing more. Remove them and they wouldn't effect the overall plot of the story. Putting to many characters in is what brings a franchise down cause you don't have time to develop them properly. Rhino wasn't even a character just some idiot in a mech suit. Could of been anybody.

__________________
"These eyes can see fine in the darkness."-[Sasuke
ironwez20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2018, 05:46 PM   #927
Herofan
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 537
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

What's wrong with having some fan service? Rhino and Felicia weren't really meant to move the plot forward (Smythe was and somewhat did with his relationship with Electro), nor did they take away with it, what with having little screentime.
That a character isn't developed much I don't think makes it bad that they appear (I can see the complaint that Rhino was wasted but the others seem like pretty quick and harmless setup for possible future roles).

Herofan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2018, 06:09 PM   #928
ironwez20
Side-Kick
 
ironwez20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: konoha
Posts: 3,590
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

Cause it just forced in? The movie suffered because to many characters forced into the story. Rhino was marketed to be bad guy 3 and they kept pushing some big battle to happen and it didn’t. And there’s a right way and a wrong way to do fan service, when you put to many character in at once the audience gets confused but balancing out is better. Like for example it’s better if those characters just made small cameos. The movie didn’t know what it wanted to be. Putting in characters and not developing them properly and just having them for fan service is not a way to make a movie. The movie should of just had electro. Also the sinister six is something you build up not throw together in some horrible cliffhanger ending.

__________________
"These eyes can see fine in the darkness."-[Sasuke
ironwez20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2018, 03:28 PM   #929
Kevin Roegele
Do you mind if I don't?
 
Kevin Roegele's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: England
Posts: 23,787
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

Amazing 2 is a good movie that suffered due to it's lack of offering anything really new (besides you-know-what), and not being a Marvel film at the point where the Marvel fervour was becoming deafening.

__________________
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 grossed $709m, Spider-Man: Homecoming grossed $880m. Somehow a 19% increase is the difference between a huge failure and another victory for Marvel Studios.
Kevin Roegele is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2018, 03:40 PM   #930
Herofan
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 537
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

I think fatigue was a big factor but that's partly the film's fault-it feels a lot more like the fifth movie made than just the second film.

Herofan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2018, 04:04 PM   #931
Shikamaru
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 7,744
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

No. That said, it's understandable.

1. It was a sequel to a reboot to a beloved franchise many didn't have faith in.

2. At the same time the marketing treated it like the second coming of TDK and as if they improved on everything everyone took issue with in the first place.

3. On top of that, the marketing for it was everywhere.

4. On top of that, many believed there hadn't been a good Spider-Man film in 10 years.

5. At the same time, Marvel and Fox were putting out great films that were actually as good as Sony pretended ASM2 was.

6. When the film came out, regardless of what you thought of it, huge chunks of it reeked of corporate politics.

7. The spinoffs and sequels they were announcing didn't reek of anything better.

By itself ASM2 isn't that bad of a film, but I can see how the context would create a stronger negative reaction to it. It wasn't just a matter of high expectations, it was a matter of Sony promising higher expectations at the same time. And then on top of that putting those expectations aside for a pseudo-shared universe to take advantage of moviegoers' wallets. Prior to FF and BvS coming out, it was the most cynical example of a superhero film being made that you could think of.

__________________
How I rate movies:
http://forums.superherohype.com/show...5&postcount=14
Shikamaru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2018, 10:26 AM   #932
Mandon Knight
The Re-Generation Game
 
Mandon Knight's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Cheam, Surrey, UK
Posts: 8,134
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

Yes. Yes it does.

Mandon Knight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2018, 01:41 PM   #933
The Joker
The Clown Prince of Crime
 
The Joker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Arkham Asylum
Posts: 49,271
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

It deserves every drop of hatred it gets.

__________________
"Sometimes I remember it one way. Sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"

- The Joker
The Joker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2018, 01:14 PM   #934
Spider-Sense
Banned User
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 12
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

Probably.

Still not anywhere as bad as BvS and Justice League.

Spider-Sense is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2018, 01:22 PM   #935
Tacit Ronin
Banned User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Titan
Posts: 20,533
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Joker View Post
It deserves every drop of hatred it gets.
And all the drops that ended up evaporating, it deserves to acid rain down on this franchise.

Tacit Ronin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2018, 07:14 PM   #936
ironwez20
Side-Kick
 
ironwez20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: konoha
Posts: 3,590
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

And no one will remember it but a few people. Now we have spidey where he belongs.

__________________
"These eyes can see fine in the darkness."-[Sasuke
ironwez20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2018, 04:22 PM   #937
Tacit Ronin
Banned User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Titan
Posts: 20,533
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

Spidey still belongs to Sony. And they're still doing crappy off shoots with it. We must be vigilant. Spidey can still slip down the tunnel of Hades and we may be back in the torturous days of ASM.

Ain't nobody wants that.

Tacit Ronin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-17-2018, 07:22 PM   #938
ironwez20
Side-Kick
 
ironwez20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: konoha
Posts: 3,590
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

If they want no one to see there movie they better pray they keep him at home

__________________
"These eyes can see fine in the darkness."-[Sasuke
ironwez20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2018, 09:21 AM   #939
Herofan
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 537
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tacit Ronin View Post
Spidey still belongs to Sony. And they're still doing crappy off shoots with it. We must be vigilant. Spidey can still slip down the tunnel of Hades and we may be back in the torturous days of ASM.

Ain't nobody wants that.
I like the ideas of, and am surprised more people didn't like, a Spider-Man 2099 film (though it doesn't make a lot of commercial sense as it presumably would be particularly expensive) and a Spider-Woman film (though I'm not sure if that was the female spin-off they was considering).

Herofan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2018, 06:22 AM   #940
Spider-Aziz
Death Match Taunt
 
Spider-Aziz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 72,659
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

Not to this degree.
Quote:
Spidey can still slip down the tunnel of Hades and we may be back in the torturous days of ASM.

Ain't nobody wants that.
Never deserves this much hate.


Shikamaru has the best idea.

__________________
FIGHT CLUB: Marvel vs DC, ANYTHING
STATE YOUR OPINION ON A CHARACTER: MARVEL, DC

YOUTUBE
Michael Keaton's Batman is the ASMR master of superheroes.

The internet: You formed your personal opinion and liked something popular? You are part of the herd. You like something new and unpopular? Cult of the new.
Spider-Aziz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2018, 12:39 PM   #941
GwensNeckBrace
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 116
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

A lot of the hate surrounding the film is over-exaggerated. Sure, it wasn't incredible,but it was nowhere near the abomination others make it out to be. I find it interesting that people I know in person love this duology but most people online seem to despise it.

GwensNeckBrace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2018, 11:41 AM   #942
miller man
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 177
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

Had these two movies been the first cinematic attempt at the franchise, they probably would have been received a bit better, and probably would have ended with 3, maybe even 4, films. Of course, they weren’t the first attempt, and they followed a trilogy that, while flawed, established a tone and origin that did not need replicating. And therein lies the problem.

Instead of differentiating itself from the 2002 original by focusing on telling a wholly original story, the 2012 film constantly repeats the same beats, while going point-counterpoint. “Didn’t like how they started with MJ? We got Gwen!!” “Hated organics? We got web shooters!!” It was obvious, and that film was underwhelming, at least to me. Not to mention it was made so soon after the 2007 trilogy, which was still fresh in everyone’s minds.

Then, part 2 comes around, and while lightening things up a bit was welcome, it went too far into Saturday morning silliness. This was unfortunate because the film had what was supposed to be the most tragic and poignant moment in the death of Gwen. But the goofiness inherent in the film completely robbed the emotional impact from the scene, at least for me.

Marc Webb is by no means a bad director, but it’s clear now that he was perhaps not the best choice for Spidey. Again, at least for me.

As for Andrew Garfield, who is a terrific actor that gave all he could to the films, the problem was in how Peter was characterized. It was a great idea not to just copy Tobey Maguire, but Garfield’s Peter was basically already Spider-Man before even being bitten. I didn’t get a whole lot of evolution from the character from the start of the TASM to the end of TASM2.

Just my two cents.

miller man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2018, 04:26 PM   #943
Herofan
Side-Kick
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 537
Default Re: Does this movie really deserve the hate it gets?

^What did you think was particularly goofy about TASM2 other than Max being nerdy before his transformation and Rhino's brief role?

Herofan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:21 AM.

monitoring_string = "dee460792f24517621e3ca080805de7e"



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SuperHeroHype.com is a property of Mandatory Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2018 All Rights Reserved.