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Old 11-10-2012, 08:30 PM   #1
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The turf skirmishes have slowed development of movies based on Warner-owned DC's superheroes such as the Flash at a time when rival Marvel Entertainment is cranking out blockbusters like "The Avengers." Uncertainty about who will run Warner Bros. has stymied the studio from renewing its important deal with finance and producing partner Legendary Pictures. The deal expires at the end of next year.
I was afraid of this. Corporate in-fighting has been one of main hurdles to WB's CBM producing efforts going all the way back to the 90s.

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Old 11-10-2012, 08:44 PM   #2
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At least my favorite DC hero got his amazing trilogy, lol.

But...this could definitely mess up Man of Steel 2 even, yes?

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Old 11-10-2012, 08:49 PM   #3
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So in a nutshell how does this affect future DC superhero movies?

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From my understanding, and Im probably wrong, to make DC film there needs to be some level of collaboration between those 3 departments where the 3 competing suits are working. But since they have a "Screw you! I want the job" mentality, they arent really seeing eye to eye causing them not to collaborate to make the DC films.


...I think. Im not sure

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From my understanding, and Im probably wrong, to make DC film there needs to be some level of collaboration between those 3 departments where the 3 competing suits are working. But since they have a "Screw you! I want the job" mentality, they arent really seeing eye to eye causing them not to collaborate to make the DC films.


...I think. Im not sure
I'm unsure what you're trying to say by "I want the job."

The FILM STUDIO WB sends the DC PROPERTIES to various PRODUCTION COMPANIES.

The problem here isn't "I want to make this!" it's "I don't agree with this, let's do it this way" over and over and over again.

The FILM STUDIO has one vision for the property. DC has another. The PRODUCTION COMPANY has another.

All three need to work together and find the same vision in order for it to work when it's still the production company "with the job." This is what causes problems and delays. You have this three-way tree.

If anyone has questions, feel free to ask and I'll answer them to the best of my ability since I've seen the inner-workings of these second hand.

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The FILM STUDIO WB sends the DC PROPERTIES to various PRODUCTION COMPANIES.

The problem here isn't "I want to make this!" it's "I don't agree with this, let's do it this way" over and over and over again.

The FILM STUDIO has one vision for the property. DC has another. The PRODUCTION COMPANY has another.

All three need to work together and find the same vision in order for it to work when it's still the production company "with the job." This is what causes problems and delays. You have this three-way tree.
This is what happened with Green Lantern and Jonah Hex movie.

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They're all ********s.

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there needs to be a DC films independent of the other departments. Get Geoff Johns involved and give him complete autonomy.

PS- I want a new film with Steel in it.

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Old 11-10-2012, 11:01 PM   #9
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there needs to be a DC films independent of the other departments. Get Geoff Johns involved and give him complete autonomy.

PS- I want a new film with Steel in it.

WB already has an independent DC unit called DC Entertainment. They set it up back in 2009 in reaction to the success of Iron Man at Marvel Studios. DCE was supposed to develop DC's comic book properties into films and TV shows and shepherd them into production. It also controls the comic book publishing, as well as animation. Geoff Johns is the creative officer for the unit, and in fact controlled the development of the Green Lantern movie.


DCE hasn't been very effective on the film side, probably due to the nature of WB's power structure and the lack of importance placed on superheroes beyond Batman and Superman. When they've gone beyond those two, they churned out Jonah Hex, Green Lantern and, coming up, Lobo. They don't seem to have a handle on which properties will be most successful and appealing to the audience, and having Johns in charge has not made a difference in that regard.

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WB already has an independent DC unit called DC Entertainment. They set it up back in 2009 in reaction to the success of Iron Man at Marvel Studios. DCE was supposed to develop DC's comic book properties into films and TV shows and shepherd them into production. It also controls the comic book publishing, as well as animation. Geoff Johns is the creative officer for the unit, and in fact controlled the development of the Green Lantern movie.


DCE hasn't been very effective on the film side, probably due to the nature of WB's power structure and the lack of importance placed on superheroes beyond Batman and Superman. When they've gone beyond those two, they churned out Jonah Hex, Green Lantern and, coming up, Lobo. They don't seem to have a handle on which properties will be most successful and appealing to the audience, and having Johns in charge has not made a difference in that regard.
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there needs to be a DC films independent of the other departments. Get Geoff Johns involved and give him complete autonomy.
Oh no, hell no!!! Keep Johns away, far away, especially from all things Superman/Batman/JLA.

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Ok let's see an example, Nolan's Batman films were released by WB but what is Legendary Pictures then?

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Old 11-10-2012, 09:33 PM   #13
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Ok let's see an example, Nolan's Batman films were released by WB but what is Legendary Pictures then?
They're another production company that co-produce and co-finance certain movies with WB. Including the Nolan trilogy, Inception, Superman Returns, Man of Steel, Watchmen, The Town, The Hangover Trilogy, Pacific Rim, the new Godzilla, 300, the ____ of the Titans movies. The ones they're involved in usually have better results I think. But Jamie or Show have said the only superheroes they're interested in are Batman and Superman.

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Wow...essentially pitting three power hungry businessman against each other.

Great idea to foster cooperation inside a company.

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Wonder what would've happened if Alan Horn was still around.

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From my understanding, and Im probably wrong, to make DC film there needs to be some level of collaboration between those 3 departments where the 3 competing suits are working. But since they have a "Screw you! I want the job" mentality, they arent really seeing eye to eye causing them not to collaborate to make the DC films.


...I think. Im not sure
I think that the problem is, each of these execs has a different priorities, for example One may favor DC superhero projects, while other may not think so and want them to make movies like Ocean's Eleven and Hangover, the third one may want to favor Book to screen adaptations like Hobbit.

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Wonder what would've happened if Alan Horn was still around.
Robinov wanted him out.

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Robinov wanted him out.
I know that.

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Disney should just buy DC and WB... LOL, that would sort things out

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Disney should just buy DC and WB... LOL, that would sort things out
According to Forbes magazine, in year 2011 the net worth of both companies was -

(Figures keep changing each year.)

Time Warner: $ 43 billion.

Disney Corp: $35 billion.

Neither can buy each other.

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Disney should just buy DC and WB... LOL, that would sort things out
That's how Monopolies are created son.

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You know what makes me laugh any other film company would love to have DC Co,it's under their belt, they'd be making movies left and right. Yet WBs are useless, they are sitting on a gold mine and as usual ego gets in the way. I wish someone would just buy DC Comics from them.

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This confirms what most of us have suspected from the start. Warner Brothers can't handle DC, they don't know what to do with the properties. They act like a newly born baby who doesn't know anything about life, even by looking at all people around them and how they behave in different situations. The baby never learns because it doesn't grow up to a child and later an adult. The baby is stuck in limbo and so is its brain.
This is WB in a nutshell. They can't learn from other studios, because they are blind and deaf when it comes to all the superhero films being made by others. To WB, there have never been made any superhero adaptions before. For them, it's a completely new thing. And like with everything new, there has to be some experiementing and failure before finding the right formula.
Latest Batman franchise was nothing more than a lucky shot, because it had a strong shepperd/leader in Nolan.

Somebody, help WB! Take the weight off their shoulders.

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This confirms what most of us have suspected from the start. Warner Brothers can't handle DC, they don't know what to do with the properties. They act like a newly born baby who doesn't know anything about life, even by looking at all people around them and how they behave in different situations. The baby never learns because it doesn't grow up to a child and later an adult. The baby is stuck in limbo and so is its brain.
This is WB in a nutshell. They can't learn from other studios, because they are blind and deaf when it comes to all the superhero films being made by others. To WB, there have never been made any superhero adaptions before. For them, it's a completely new thing. And like with everything new, there has to be some experiementing and failure before finding the right formula.
Latest Batman franchise was nothing more than a lucky shot, because it had a strong shepperd/leader in Nolan.

Somebody, help WB! Take the weight off their shoulders.
Bingo

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This confirms what most of us have suspected from the start. Warner Brothers can't handle DC, they don't know what to do with the properties. They act like a newly born baby who doesn't know anything about life, even by looking at all people around them and how they behave in different situations. The baby never learns because it doesn't grow up to a child and later an adult. The baby is stuck in limbo and so is its brain.
This is WB in a nutshell. They can't learn from other studios, because they are blind and deaf when it comes to all the superhero films being made by others. To WB, there have never been made any superhero adaptions before. For them, it's a completely new thing. And like with everything new, there has to be some experiementing and failure before finding the right formula.
Latest Batman franchise was nothing more than a lucky shot, because it had a strong shepperd/leader in Nolan.

Somebody, help WB! Take the weight off their shoulders.
Imo, I really thought they were on the right track at one time when it was mentioned that Christopher Nolan would overlook the DC universe as Whedon is overlooking the MCU now and Mark Millar is tapped to overlook FOX's Marvel universe, but when the Nolan thing became just a rumor, then it definitely feels like Warner Brothers have no idea what they're doing.

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They should get Goyer to oversee it. Have someone else write the scripts, but have Goyer organize. Unless Grant Morrison wants to.

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