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Old 05-11-2014, 10:00 AM   #26
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:07 PM   #27
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I doubt we'll ever see the real Mandarin. I think the One-Shot was a way to console the fans who didn't like what they did to Mandarin, let them know the real one is still out there, but they'll never actually visit him. If they wanted to use a comic-accurate Mandarin, they would've done so already.

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Old 05-17-2014, 07:14 PM   #28
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I'm not sure about that. Favreau seemed intend on using him, and Black doesn't seem to have ever been interested in doing a more faithful rendition.

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Old 05-17-2014, 07:15 PM   #29
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Why leave such a plot open if not to use it?

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The Mandarin must be more important than people think if he's getting two films

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Old 07-14-2014, 07:40 PM   #31
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If the Mandarin is reintroduced, they should use his old comic origin.

In the comics, he's a rich fop who spends all of his fiefdom's money turning himself into a super-soldier.

In a modern movie, you could have him finding a way to manipulate the American government into funding him turning himself into a super-soldier.

In the comics, part of the way he turns himself into a super-soldier is spending all of his fiefdom's money on things like training himself at mystical chi-amping martial arts, so he can do things like karate-chop Iron Man's armor to pieces with his bare hands.

In a movie, they should modernize this by having him waste tax payer dollars to do some like, say, mutate himself into a super-soldier who can karate-chop Iron Man's armor to pieces thanks to mutated strength and heat.

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Old 07-22-2014, 06:59 PM   #32
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In regards to the Mandarin, Feige noted, "There have been [talks]. That's one of the reasons we wanted to do the fun short that Drew Pearce wrote and directed. That was to clarify, 'Hey, just because we did this thing doesn't mean this other thing doesn't exist.' And as we were making Iron Man 3 -- and I think Drew's spoken about this -- that was always our intention, was that Aldrich Killian was perverting the notion of these things he's heard."
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Old 09-06-2014, 03:57 PM   #33
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I'm not sure about that. Favreau seemed intend on using him, and Black doesn't seem to have ever been interested in doing a more faithful rendition.
Aldrich Killian is a much more faithful rendition than an immortal sorcerer. The Mandarin, in the comics, is not an immortal sorcerer.

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Old 09-07-2014, 02:25 PM   #34
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It's amusing to see Black and others whine about "magic rings" They're not magic, they're alien technology, so they'd fit into a more tech-based IM film just fine. In fact, they could draw an interesting contrast between the Earth tech of Tony and the Mandarin's advanced alien tech.

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Old 09-07-2014, 02:28 PM   #35
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It's amusing to see Black and others whine about "magic rings" They're not magic, they're alien technology, so they'd fit into a more tech-based IM film just fine. In fact, they could draw an interesting contrast between the Earth tech of Tony and the Mandarin's advanced alien tech.
Who was whining about the rings?

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Old 09-07-2014, 02:37 PM   #36
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Black basically called out the fans for criticizing him for "not giving them magic rings." Guess what Mr. Black, they're not magic. Maybe you shouldn't make judgments about the source material if you don't actually know the source material. It just makes you look clueless.

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Black basically called out the fans for criticizing him for "not giving them magic rings." Guess what Mr. Black, they're not magic. Maybe you shouldn't make judgments about the source material if you don't actually know the source material. It just makes you look clueless.
I'm going to be honest, that's a pretty pedantic criticism. So he used a word that is technically inaccurate. So what?

I also don't see how it's a judgement about the source material. It's a judgement of the fans for being whiny and obnoxious about the whole thing.

I think it's pretty clear that Black did his research when making Iron Man 3. There's a ton of references and subtle weaving of different story lines from the comics.

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Agreed. In fact, Black seems to "get" the Mandarin in a way a lot of the complainers don't. The Mandarin was a rich aristocrat who spent all of his people's money turning himself into an ubermensche super-soldier, kind of Black Mask meets Iron Fist.

Killian is a lot closer to that than the Ra's Al Ghul type the complainers keep begging for.

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Old 09-07-2014, 03:48 PM   #39
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People look at what Black did, they see that he didn't adapt many of the banal surface details about the character, and they take that to mean that he didn't understand or care about the character. They don't see that he captured the soul of the character and what his role is in Iron Man's mythos perfectly, all while managing to take the racially insensitive and logistically difficult aspects of the character and turning them on their head into narrative strengths that were woven into a coherent and effective story.

That's just about as good as movie adaptations of things get.

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Old 05-06-2018, 04:04 AM   #40
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Killian was great but why not use Dr Strange, Mordo, Dormammu , Nighmare, Hulk?
for a plot with Ironman and Mandarin?
The Mandarin could be controlling Strange(imagine him green becuse of posession and colecting those rings) that is fighting with Stark?
Then after Strak frees Strange they both battle the Mandarin?

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Killian was great but why not use Dr Strange, Mordo, Dormammu , Nighmare, Hulk?
for a plot with Ironman and Mandarin?
The Mandarin could be controlling Strange(imagine him green becuse of posession and colecting those rings) that is fighting with Stark?
Then after Strak frees Strange they both battle the Mandarin?
That wouldn't feel like The Mandarin. The Mandarin isn't a wizard, he's more like Black Mask with Iron Fist powers. He operates in the realm of big money, politics, crime, and war. And he isn't green outside of one child's cartoon.

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Old 05-26-2018, 04:19 PM   #42
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It's kind of late to do it now. And yet everyone claimed Hail to the King meant we'd see an actual Mandarin

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Old 05-27-2018, 03:20 PM   #43
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It's kind of late to do it now. And yet everyone claimed Hail to the King meant we'd see an actual Mandarin
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^ Well we haven't seen an Iron Man movie in 5 years so who knows.

Would like to see tony enter into a business rivalry with a Tem Borjigin, Gene Kahn, or Zhang Tong only to see him have the 10 rings and reveal himself as the true Mandarin. It'd be a great place for Tony to through in a line like "ok Trevor", "didn't I already do this?", or "the last guy could burst into flames what do you got?"

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Old 07-02-2018, 12:13 AM   #45
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I feel very confident that Avengers 4 is gonna close the book on Tony Stark, so I don't think we're gonna see another Iron Man movie period for quite some time.

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Old 07-02-2018, 12:52 AM   #46
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The Real Mandarin:
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Long descendant of Ghengis Kahn (but racial mix through family history of Chinese, Japanese, Syrian, Egyptian)
Leader of The Ten Rings terrorist organization
Has ten rings, powered by cosmic energy (rings' abilities are debatable)
Has been leading The Ten Rings for generations
Approx. 200 years old, kept alive and (relatively) youthful by the rings' powers
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Advanced hand-to-hand combat, various martial arts
Sees himself as the creator of Iron Man (as the armor and character changes for Tony didn't happen until The Ten Rings captured him)
Was behind the original plot of Iron Man and Iron Man 2 (the Jericho missile, Stane, Hammer's army, Whiplash)
Masquerades as a businessman, owner of a Japanese corporation that builds weapons tech (similar to Stark)

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Guys, they started Thor out as basically really-advanced-tech too, I don't think by Ragnarok you could say magic isn't involved. This stuff evolved over time when they got more confident in the trippier stuff.

For all intents & purposes comic-Mandarin's stuff is basically "magic" in the same sense that Mjolnir is right from Thor 1. It's tech, sure, he's not technically a god, but he...basically is.

Probably the way they would have gone with the Mandarin abilities in a more-faithful movie, too.

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Guys, they started Thor out as basically really-advanced-tech too, I don't think by Ragnarok you could say magic isn't involved. This stuff evolved over time when they got more confident in the trippier stuff.

For all intents & purposes comic-Mandarin's stuff is basically "magic" in the same sense that Mjolnir is right from Thor 1. It's tech, sure, he's not technically a god, but he...basically is.

Probably the way they would have gone with the Mandarin abilities in a more-faithful movie, too.
His tech rings or powers was never the problem. How to portray the Mandarin's ethnicity without offending some portion of the audience and perhaps trashing all of Marvel Studios if not Disney is the problem

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I would've been fine with Madame Masque as a villain instead. I love Madame Masque.

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