Is Today's Society too Cynical for a movie like Cap?

[Mysteryman]

I think AMS will do fine.

[Mysteryman]

Originally Posted by Captain27

The message of the movie behind captain america was true and is the kind of message and hero we should see more often honestly. It was very refreshing and uplifting. Most of hollywood is too cynical to ever make a movie like that on their own.

It's why cap can be so hard to write for, why mark miller turned him into an swaggering *******, because he simply couldn't relate to who cap was and what he stood for. You've got to be able to relate to your character in order to write them.

We are darn lucky that Avi Arad appreciated what cap stood for enough to make sure this movie was done right in terms of style and tone. Cap is a classic true hero, not just a guy with super powers. For so long the comics and movie industry has taken the hero out of super hero.
Cap is a classic hero in the same way superman is, except cap doesn't have godlike powers which makes him even more amazing.

I do believe that the only reason captain america isn't going to come near iron man and thor in box office is because it doesn't appeal to the angsty and cynical worldview of most in today's western society.
Not everyone can relate to cap or the message of the movie.

godlike powers, no But, Cap does have Superpowers .

[Dr. Sid Jawtug]

I honestly think that the sequel to Cap will be "darker". Especially if it's set in the modern era with a new director. I could see them turning Cap into an action thriller like a Bourne Identity or Mission Impossible type movie. If done correctly it could be really entertaining. The Dark Knight is darker then Batman Begins but that is because the villain is...well, "darker". I have a feeling that TDKR will not be as negative and will end on a very positive note. I am sure Nolan will try to surprise the audience. I'm looking forward to Cap 2 because I have no idea what to expect. Is this society more cynical then the generations of the 80's and 90's? Probably, but look at the **** this country has been through in the past 11 years.

[Paladin-Hoss]

Makes me wonder though,how the movie would've turned out had they adapted the Mark Millar version of cap, who's a bit of a bastard.

In the comics, i much preffered Millar's take on the character, but the movie made me appreciate the 'normal'version of cap.

[CConn]

Originally Posted by Captain27

why cap can be so hard to write for, why mark miller turned him into an swaggering *******, because he simply couldn't relate to who cap was and what he stood for. You've got to be able to relate to your character in order to write them.

Um, no. Millar knew exactly what he was doing in his characterization of Cap. He was supposed to be America as the world sees it...personified. And he succeeded pretty spectacularly.

[shieldmaiden]

Originally Posted by Shadowlord X

I think many people are pre-judging the movie.

Based upon the name CAPTAIN AMERICA they think this might be a hyper pro-american movie and/or they think that it might be very cheesy.

A female colleague at work was for some reason put-off by it and really fought against seeing it. After seeing it she completely changed her tune and really liked the movie.


Among people who are comicbook aware but not really comicbook lovers there is a perception that CAP is lame and the only thing he has is a shield which is also lame...
Thus it's audience and fanbase will explode.

Ok, now I'm a sucker for a guy with a shield, but I was certain I'd hate it. Thought it'd be an awful parody of an american, and an even worse parody of a hero.

I was won over. I'm a part of that exploding audience and fanbase, and I can't get enough of this character... and really, I'm pretty cynical. But I loves me some Cap!

[Scar Predator]

Originally Posted by shieldmaiden

Ok, now I'm a sucker for a guy with a shield, but I was certain I'd hate it. Thought it'd be an awful parody of an american, and an even worse parody of a hero.

I was won over. I'm a part of that exploding audience and fanbase, and I can't get enough of this character... and really, I'm pretty cynical. But I loves me some Cap!

I'm on that bandwagon as well. I liked Cap when I was a kid in the 80s, but I eventually lost interest in him because I thought he was too idealized and dorky. I still tolerated his books from time to time, but I was more interested in the Blade, Venom, andSpawn types.

Because of this movie, I'm back to being a Cap fan. I've read more Cap books in the last year than the previous 20 years. With this flick and Avengers, Marvel admitted Cap is kind of dorky. Yet he's also extremely noble and valiant. Bring on more Cap flicks.

[uniqueweasel]

It's easy to be cynical when it comes to Captain America, especially being from the UK, but I have always enjoyed the character and with the new movies, it has further increased my enjoyment of the character, and has prompted me to go back and buy some trades of stories i've missed over the years.

[mjbull23]

There is still very much a place in the Superhero pantheon for less morally ambiguous characters such as Captain America and Superman. They may not be the pinnacle of popularity as they were at one time, but certainly looking back a year later, Cap pulled in very respectable numbers, enough to warrant a sequel, and I think he is back in the mainstream to stay.