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it seems as if like shield has found all seven dragonballs and wished him back .
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Love him or hate him, in Whedon's works both death and resurrection have a lot of weight to them, I don't think it will be any different in the case of Coulson. Wether he's an android or a clone who's been programmed to think he's Coulson or he's Coulson brought back to life through some method he would find morally offensive, there will be serious **** hitting the fan when he find out what the score is.
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There's no indication that the MCU will give everyone a "get out of death free" card; which is more than a little ironic, considering that in the actual comic book universe, there's an old saying that "Nobody ever stays dead in the Marvel Universe, except Uncle Ben." Coulson's resurrection carries lots of weight and consequences, which will definitely emerge as the TV show goes on. They're not sweeping this under the rug like some cheap TV soap opera gimmick --- they fully understand the full weight of both Coulson's death and his rebirth.
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We know someone is going to die in either A2 or A3. It's inevitable. What's going to be the thought we all have at that point? "They may not really be dead."
The reason we have that thought is because of Coulson. That's why I don't like it. It automatically makes you shrug off any future death in the series.
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2: It would be that way wether Coulson was brought back or not. We're comic book nerds, we're not all that smart. 3: Again, Coulson being back won't cause anyone to shrug off anything if his coming back is both unique and a monumentally huge deal with serious consequences. Plus, if it DOES turn out that the Coulson on TV isn't really Coulson, just a clone or an LMD who THINKS he's Coulson, then they didn't bring Coulson back anyway, they just created a new related character with a whole lot of angst.
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b) As The Question keeps pointing out: Coulson is the *only* resurrection in the MCU so far. And it's being treated with great gravity, mystery, and weight. And it might not even turn out to be an actual resurrection at all, but something else. So don't freak out. Again, nobody's handing out "get out of death free" cards anywhere, nor will audiences perceive it that way.
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B) Again, it doesn't matter that it's the "ONLY" resurrection so far. It only matters that they did it, and I don't like that they did it for reasons I've already explained.
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And I completely disagree with you there. Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a perfect example. But Angel and Buffy died and came back to life on that show, and it didn't diminish future character deaths because they were handled the right way. It depends entirely on how you do it. If you treat characters coming back as no big deal and do it all the time, the yes, you're right. If it's rare and treated as a huge event, then you don't have that problem. Right now, in the MCU, it's rare and being treated as a huge event, so I don't think it's going to spoil audiences at all.
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Did Angel coming back in Buffy season 3 cheapen Tara's death, or Anya's death, no. Did Spike coming back in Angel season 5 cheapen Cordelia's death, or Doyle's death, or the unbelievably sad event that was Fred's death, no. Did Angel coming back, or Buffy coming back, or Spike coming back have consequences, yes and they led to some pretty dark stuff. I see no reason why Whedon wouldn't do the same to Coulson. The more that Whedon likes a character, the more he makes them suffer, its kind of his thing.
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I appreciate that Whedon takes his character deaths seriously. I've listened to his comments on Coulson's death. I still disagree with the decision, especially since it boiled down to bringing back a character just because he liked the actor portraying the character rather than it being necessary for future stories. It complicates things more than it helps to make those future stories better.
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"TO ME MY GALACTUS" - Franklin Richards- FAVORITE COMIC BOOK FILMS (no particular order) Spider-Man 2, The Avengers, Spider-Man, Batman Begins, Batman '89, Captain America: The First Avenger, Iron Man, Iron Man 3, The Amazing Spider-Man |
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Ooops, sorry. It's a great episode, watch it.
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Its probably my fault for just starting a series that finished like 5 years ago haha
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I think the bigger problem is that you all get *way* ahead of yourselves assuming that someone will die in A2 or A3. No, we *don't* know that it will happen. Some of us choose to *guess* that it will happen, but it is just that: a *guess*. No facts in evidence, and pretending otherwise is disingenuous.
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What if nobody dies, but instead gets severely injured? Wouldn't that be more interesting?
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You're not alone, I just started watching Buffy only a few days ago.
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yeah finished that now I'm on Angel, I'm a big fan now.
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I mean what would Star Wars be like if darth Vader never killed off most of the other jedi and only severely injured them...or if no one was killed in "the Dark Knight". |
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![]() The best way to watch both shows to make the crossovers make sence is this: http://simonhampel.com/buffy.html Once Buffy Season 4 begins you watch an episode of Buffy, and then the respective number for Angel, Example: Buffy episode 1 > Angel Episode 1 > Buffy Episode 2 > and so on. It's a shame most don't talk as much of Angel, when they recomend Buffy it's rare to see a mention of the Angel show, and even when people talk about Joss Whedon shows they generally mention only Buffy and Firefly. But the show is very good, not as good as Buffy but very close, it's a shame it ended before its time, but the good thing is that there is a comic book continuation. About the comic books, the show of Buffy offered a good conclusion, so the comics are not exactly obligatory, However if you want to read more about the characters try them, Buffy had one called Season 8 which ran for 40 issues, while Angel had one called Angel: After the Fall, which ran for 16 issues + a miniseries called Spike: After the Fall, IDW published more comics of Angel after that, but they're not considered canon. I haven't read it completelly but i heard Season 8 became a huge mess by the end, After the Fall is generally considered good for the most part. After both series ended Dark Horse got the rights of Angel back from IDW and for their last series they did a Spike 8-issues miniseries that supposedly bridges the gap between Angel: After the Fall and Buffy Season 8. The last series Darkhorse did with the franchise was release two 25 issues comics, which were Buffy Season 9 and Angel & Faith, i haven't been reading them for a while but the last time i saw they were strong, with Angel & Faith being better than the Buffy comic. To know which comics are part of the Season 9 wave you can check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_t...er_Season_Nine |
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Also, guess we can confirm now that Nick Fury is back in AOU. Some people (including me) were speculating that he might not survive CATWS.
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