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Old 11-14-2012, 01:55 PM   #126
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Good luck with all those things.

I can't wait to see the first industrialized nation without any government of
respectable size. I can't wait till all these southerners get pissed at each other when they can't agree on rules and a belief system. I can't wait to see corporations take control with private prisons and private police and clash with renegade militias. I can't wait to see the line of people trying to get back into the USA.

I got my popcorn ready.
It won't be industrialized. It will be raped of it's resources and become a developing nation like Somalia.

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Old 11-14-2012, 01:56 PM   #127
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^ There wasn't that much turn over in congress either not to mention that Obama won the popular vote also.
Don't confuse Obama ('Change you can believe in') being reelected with people's comfort in the direction this country is going. If you think that's the case, then you're being delusional.

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Old 11-14-2012, 02:22 PM   #128
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Don't confuse Obama ('Change you can believe in') being reelected with people's comfort in the direction this country is going. If you think that's the case, then you're being delusional.
Oh, there is no confusion. Obama won decisively in both the electoral college and the popular vote. If the majority of Americans truly felt the country was headed in the wrong direction, they would have voted for the other guy. Let us not get confused by a small minority of smartalec winers who thought it to be opportune to sign a petition are representing the intent of the various states.

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Old 11-14-2012, 02:37 PM   #129
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Oh, there is no confusion. Obama won decisively in both the electoral college and the popular vote. If the majority of Americans truly felt the country was headed in the wrong direction, they would have voted for the other guy. Let us not get confused by a small minority of smartalec winers who thought it to be opportune to sign a petition are representing the intent of the various states.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:45 PM   #130
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Oh, there is no confusion. Obama won decisively in both the electoral college and the popular vote. If the majority of Americans truly felt the country was headed in the wrong direction, they would have voted for the other guy.
Yes, there is confusion.

Please point out where I stated that Obama equates to the "wrong direction" for America. There are MANY problems facing this country that people are fed up with that exist with or without Obama. If I need to explicitly state them here, than that's pretty sad. Obama won not because people feel everything is copacetic, but because Obama bested Romney in convincing people he was the right man to fix things (and no, I did not vote for Romney).

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Let us not get confused by a small minority of smartalec winers who thought it to be opportune to sign a petition are representing the intent of the various states.
No one is saying this is the case. MessiahDecoy is the only one who seems to be making such generalizations.


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Old 11-14-2012, 03:34 PM   #131
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Yes, there is confusion.

Please point out where I stated that Obama is the "wrong direction" for America.


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Don't confuse Obama ('Change you can believe in') being reelected with people's comfort in the direction this country is going. If you think that's the case, then you're being delusional.
Okay, let's break down what you stated. You said don't confuse Obama being reelected with the people's comfort in the direction this country is going... as if they are not related and that people are not comfortable with the direction the country is going (unemployment is going down and the economy is adding jobs by the way). On top of that you are calling anyone who thinks that there is a correlation (people like me in particular) delusional, which reinforces your erroneous insinuation that (most) people are not comfortable with the direction the country is going. Furthermore, there are only two directions the country could that would affect the public's comfort level: the right way or the wrong way. If people are not comfortable with the direction the country is going (presuming you are right about that) then it must be going in the wrong way. You might not have exactly stated that, but you certainly implied it, and anyone with a brain could grasp at what you were really trying to say.



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There are MANY problems facing this country that people are fed up. If I need to explicitly state them here, than that's pretty sad. Obama won not because people feel everything is copacetic, but because Obama bested Romney in convincing people he was the right man to fix things (and no, I did not vote for Romney)...
I think you need to state them here since you just got through saying that there is confusion and we don't want it to get any worse. As of the end of this summer, Time Magazine identified 6 "daunting" financial issues facing the US (namely our national debt, taxes (federal, state, and local), Social Security, pension funds, Medicare, and Defense, but of course this is just the opinion of Wall Street financial analyst, Michel Sivy. Had the other guy got elected, I am quite certain, that the tax problem would have been to maintain the Bush era tax cuts for the wealthy and superstitiously default on a large portion of the national debt (wich is not a good path to take at all). At least the candidate that won (the incumbent President) is willing to tackle these issues without defaulting on the debt. I am certain that not all of these are the issues you are thinking of so it might be best that you put them out for discussion.

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Old 11-14-2012, 04:42 PM   #132
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So it seems there are petitions in all 50 states. Remember when this country used to be great?

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Old 11-14-2012, 04:44 PM   #133
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The Clinton Administration never "raided" Social Security. People are still getting their benefits today. Where where you?
So did Bernie Madoff at one point. Where were you?

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Old 11-14-2012, 04:58 PM   #134
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So it seems there are petitions in all 50 states. Remember when this country used to be great?
I think those petitions are being coordinated by an organization and it isn't grass root, and the signatures are not being vetted and they could come from any states. However, it is still an embarrassing moment in the history of this country.

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Old 11-14-2012, 05:03 PM   #135
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I know some are saying Obama should just ignore it, but he should at least make a smarmy remark to show that it means ****.

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Who cares if 1% of Romney voters sign these petitions?

They're bound to be sore losers.

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Old 11-14-2012, 05:48 PM   #137
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Okay, let's break down what you stated. You said don't confuse Obama being reelected with the people's comfort in the direction this country is going... as if they are not related and that people are not comfortable with the direction the country is going (unemployment is going down and the economy is adding jobs by the way).
Unemployment is only "going down" depending on the month and the worker groups you're looking at (for instance in October, unemployment for white men went down by only 0.1%, and unemployment for black men went up to 14.3%). What is really happening with unemployment is a reshuffling of numbers - we get a few thousand jobs in one area, and call it a win, even though we lost even more jobs in another area. That is hardly what I would call improving employment. Remember, we need a steady gain of over 200,000 jobs a month to truly lower unemployment. Gaining 25,000 jobs in the private sector and losing 70,000 in the public sector doesn't equal upward trends.

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On top of that you are calling anyone who thinks that there is a correlation (people like me in particular) delusional, which reinforces your erroneous insinuation that (most) people are not comfortable with the direction the country is going.
Furthermore, there are only two directions the country could that would affect the public's comfort level: the right way or the wrong way. If people are not comfortable with the direction the country is going (presuming you are right about that) then it must be going in the wrong way. You might not have exactly stated that, but you certainly implied it, and anyone with a brain could grasp at what you were really trying to say.
As I stated before, Obama being reelected is about people thinking he can fix everything wrong with the country. You're assuming that when I say "the direction the country is headed", I'm really saying "Obama being in office" which isn't the case. Obama was elected not because there are a lack of issues, but because people think he's the one that can fix those issues. My comment about a poster being delusional was based on his suggestion that because Obama was reelected, there are no issues and everyone is A-OK with the problems facing the country. I think you're assuming that I'm meaning "Obama = Bad", which I'm not.

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Had the other guy got elected, I am quite certain, that the tax problem would have been to maintain the Bush era tax cuts for the wealthy and superstitiously default on a large portion of the national debt (wich is not a good path to take at all). At least the candidate that won (the incumbent President) is willing to tackle these issues without defaulting on the debt.
Agreed.

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I am certain that not all of these are the issues you are thinking of so it might be best that you put them out for discussion.
Just for example: Unemployment; $16.2 Trillion National Debt (up $6 trillion in 4 years); the rising spending on health/medicare and Social Security, which is only hurting our debt even more (Obamacare seems like a good idea to many, but there are also many who feel like it will end up hurting us more in the long run); ever rising issues in and our relationship with the Middle East; entrenched and stubborn politics in general (ie: Congress's inability to make a deal on the budget). And of course, there are countless more partisan-based issues, but I don't think its necessary to get into left v. right bickering.

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I know some are saying Obama should just ignore it, but he should at least make a smarmy remark to show that it means ****.
No, that would only add fuel to their fire.

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He should completely ignore it.

Don't stoop to the level of whiny crybabies.

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The IRS should audit everyone that started a petition, just to be *****.

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The IRS should audit everyone that started a petition, just to be *****.
Hmmm we do need some revenue.

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Unemployment is only "going down" depending on the month and the worker groups you're looking at (for instance in October, unemployment for white men went down by only 0.1%, and unemployment for black men went up to 14.3%). What is really happening with unemployment is a reshuffling of numbers - we get a few thousand jobs in one area, and call it a win, even though we lost even more jobs in another area. That is hardly what I would call improving employment. Remember, we need a steady gain of over 200,000 jobs a month to truly lower unemployment. Gaining 25,000 jobs in the private sector and losing 70,000 in the public sector doesn't equal upward trends.
I don't care how you try to nit-pick the data, overall unemployment is going down. That can not be questioned.

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As I stated before, Obama being reelected is about people thinking he can fix everything wrong with the country. You're assuming that when I say "the direction the country is headed", I'm really saying "Obama being in office" which isn't the case. Obama was elected not because there are a lack of issues, but because people think he's the one that can fix those issues. My comment about a poster being delusional was based on his suggestion that because Obama was reelected, there are no issues and everyone is A-OK with the problems facing the country. I think you're assuming that I'm meaning "Obama = Bad", which I'm not.
You wrote about reelection (of the President) and the people's comfort with the direction the country is going and how there is no correlation. Now you are saying you meant it isn't the case that Obama is in office? I will agree with you that Obama was reelected because people feel he can fix the issues though, but I don't believe that you made your comment because a poster was being delusional. You made that up.

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Exactly, Indiana is on that list and I know of no one around here talking about secession.
Oh come on down to the Southern part, my god some of these ppl think they are " The South " ....rebel flags and all....

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Anyone in the 15 states:

I predict that the Secessionists will be unable to financially support their withdrawal from the Union. Their economy will go to pot pretty quick. My microstate will keep one foot in the States and one foot (as far as geography goes) in the Secessionist Territories. Thus we will hold economic power over the 15 states.

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Puerto-Rico just voted to become a state. I say we send every one of these people who want to secede to Puerto-Rico and let the people in Puerto-Rico come here and take their place. Every one is happy.

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I know some are saying Obama should just ignore it, but he should at least make a smarmy remark to show that it means ****.
Disagree. he should only give it the attention it deserves, which is none.

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I don't care how you try to nit-pick the data, overall unemployment is going down. That can not be questioned.
I guess I can't argue the fact that superficial improvement is still improvement. But me, I'm not happy with superficial improvement and band-aids on festering wounds. But whatever let's you sleep at night, man

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You wrote about reelection (of the President) and the people's comfort with the direction the country is going and how there is no correlation. Now you are saying you meant it isn't the case that Obama is in office? I will agree with you that Obama was reelected because people feel he can fix the issues though, but I don't believe that you made your comment because a poster was being delusional. You made that up.
Wow. I only said one shouldn't confuse the election of a president with the lack of issues the American people have. It wasn't an Anti-Obama comment. YES, there is a correlation (the two are connected by the issues), but the miniscule point you're insulted by had A) nothing to do with you B) was totally misunderstood by you. Another poster cited Obama's reelection as proof that Americans are without issue concerning America. I said he was being delusional to think that Obama's reelection means that there are no longer any issues. Nothing more. Nothing less. Go back and read the posts. Or don't. I don't care.


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He should completely ignore it.

Don't stoop to the level of whiny crybabies.
Agreed. Look what happened with his birth certificate? As much as part of me enjoyed it when he put it out there, and it felt like the birthers had their legs kicked out from under them...it didn't solve anything. They just turned around and started saying the certificate was a photoshop, or that it wasn't the "right" kind of birth certificate. Then Trump moved on to ask for Obama's college papers. In the end, it solved nothing, and Obama just ended up caving in to something incredibly stupid.

It's the same here. If he mocks it, the next day Fox will be talking about how Obama doesn't respect state rights, or something. That he doesn't take our country, or it's ppl's complaints seriously or something. The best thing he can do is ignore it. It will not grow to a civil war like atmosphere. If the babies putting out all of these petitions get ignored long enough, they'll drop it. Give them the attention they want, and they'll try to turn it into a movement.

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