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Old 08-15-2013, 11:04 PM   #401
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I can see where Jaqua is coming from.... However, it seems a large majority didn't think it through properly and just thought "well played BW"

Worked for me

Being the Trickster and tricking Asgard and tricking the frost giants does not imply he can never be tricked. I think the point of that scene was to show EXACTLY that. The fact that BW and friends couldn't act on it quick enough was fine too, Loki got what he wanted anyway, which I was fine with.

Did you not notice that none of his plans have actually succeeded?

I must admit and ask forgiveness - I always read jaqua as 'jackwa'

They don't succeed because that's how Loki is. My point is that they were big schemes, especially in Thor 1, and he almost pulled it off. The only reason he didn't pull it off was because Odin happened to wake up from his sleep. Everything was going according to Loki's plan, except that one variable. And again, someone who can do THAT, will not accidentally slip up, not in a situation like this, it's far too big a scale. Arrogance is one thing, but that seems like stupidity.

When looking at the conversation, nothing suggests that he gave info, and his "what?" seemed confused, to me. Given how the conversation went, and for reasons I said, it just seems weird. Like it was stuck in there. Nothing happened in that conversation that showed that he got tricked, aside from Widows spontaneous reaction. Since it was never commented on, and only implied, and the fact that Loki still got what he wanted, that, based on Widow opening up to Hawkeye, I am just going to say that despite Hulk being "hilarious", it wasn't something Loki considered until she brought it up. Even if it was, which it obviously could have been, nothing happened that would allow her to get an answer

But I rest. It is whatever, so sure, I'm done with this lol

As for the bold, why must you ask forgiveness? You are saying it right lol.

the word "aqua" with a J in the beginning lol It's the first letter of my first name and the first few letters of my last name. jaqua, and the 99, that's the number of the car my favorite nascar driver drives, Carl Edwards lol

oh jackwa lol it's close enough

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Old 08-15-2013, 11:24 PM   #402
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No, I think that Loki's creepy smile after hearing the Hulk's roar proves that his plan was always to unleash the beast (among other things). Also, the "what" struck me as him being surprised at her sudden change in demeanor (scare and disturbed back to stoic and composed). He clearly didn't expect her to figure it out, and it surprised him initially.

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Has anyone here ever read CRYTONOMICON by NEAL STEPHENSON? There is a part way at the end that has a fascinating analysis of gods and myths across cultures and one of them is of course Loki. It's interesting that a god of cunning intelligence is often portrayed in the Norse worldview as being both very duplicitous as well as often too smart for his own good. In myth a lot the times while Loki is essential to getting the goDS out of some jam using craftyness, it's also the case that they wouldn't have gotten into said messes if Loki wasn't scheming up a storm to begin with.
The Norse people of their times seemed to have a distrust or at least a strong distaste of the type of prowess Loki exemplified.

Just putting this up again since I think it's relevant to talking about Loki. He is a product of the culture that he was spawned from. Did the varied tales of Loki turn out as they did because the people who told them had a distrust of that kind of personality? Was there something unseemly to them about someone with excessive cunning?

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I know that Heimdal seemed 'off duty' in the trailer, but I loved his voice in 'Thor' and wish that's how he sounded all the time. Maybe a little less officious, but the tone and quality.

I kinda liked the idea of him NEVER being off duty tbh. Just seemed like that kind of dude.

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I know that Heimdal seemed 'off duty' in the trailer, but I loved his voice in 'Thor' and wish that's how he sounded all the time. Maybe a little less officious, but the tone and quality.

I kinda liked the idea of him NEVER being off duty tbh. Just seemed like that kind of dude.
Well, he can see and hear everything so he's probably never really off duty.

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You know, considering the huge threat that Malekith and his Dark Elves present to the nine realms, I wonder why Thor doesn't try to recruit the Avengers, mainly the heavy hitters like Iron Man, CA, and Hulk, to help him fight in the war against them when the could help turn the tide.

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Thought travel is way easy for him, maybe he has time constraints of one kind or the other??

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Thought travel is way easy for him, maybe he has time constraints of one kind or the other??
Maybe it's because he got in trouble just for bringing Jane there. Imagine his dad if he brought in like three other midgardians.

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Well he wouldn't need to bring them to Asgard since the war with the Maruders are seemingly taking place in the other realms for the most part.

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Maybe it's because he got in trouble just for bringing Jane there. Imagine his dad if he brought in like three other midgardians.

ODIN: I don't like you hanging around with those nogoodniks! Especially that Tony Stark! He's a bad influence, I tell ya!

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You know, considering the huge threat that Malekith and his Dark Elves present to the nine realms, I wonder why Thor doesn't try to recruit the Avengers, mainly the heavy hitters like Iron Man, CA, and Hulk, to help him fight in the war against them when the could help turn the tide.
Thor liks to take care of his business alone.

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THOR: You never understand me, dad! You forgot what it's like to be 1000 years old!

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Probably because they have their own crap to worry about and probably because they have no idea what's going on. After the Dark Elves attack in London, it looks like the fight is brought elsewhere. Not on Earth, not the Avengers' problem. It's a god's fight, not a mortal's (even though the Hulk would be useful, but he's probably trying to steer clear of any fights since TA). Black Widow and Hawkeye are human, so they would be no more useful than an Asgardian warrior, Iron Man has major anxiety issues and Captain America is probably off doing American-y things.


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Probably because they have their own crap to worry about and probably because they have no idea what's going on. After the Dark Elves attack in London, it looks like the fight is brought elsewhere. Not on Earth, not the Avengers' problem. It's a god's fight, not a mortal's (even though the Hulk would be useful, but he's probably trying to steer clear of any fights since TA). Black Widow and Hawkeye are human, so they would be no more useful than an Asgardian warrior, Iron Man has major anxiety issues and Captain America is probably off doing American-y things.
And not to forget that Thor's ego is pretty huge

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And not to forget that Thor's ego is pretty huge
I thought he got an ego check after the first Thor. I thought that was the entire point of the first Thor.

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I thought he got an ego check after the first Thor. I thought that was the entire point of the first Thor.
Just because he learned a lesson doesn't change his warrior instincts.

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Lets see, Tony is taking some time off to be with Pepper, Cap and BW are busy hunting down TWS, Banner is probably in seclusion again, and who the hell knows where Hawkeye is. Also, we don't know how Thor gets to Earth, if he can only do it once, etc. And the most important reason, the movie is called THOR: TDW, not Avengers 2. I heard the same argument with IM 3, it made no sense there, and makes even less here.

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I don't care where they are. I'll care when it's Avengers 2, but until then...

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Would love to see more of Heimdall in the coming movie. Love his stoicness, his presence and the solemn tone of duty in his voice. There's the sense of so much resting on his shoulders. Thought the closeup of his single tear during Thor's failed retrieval of Mjolnir was brilliant. One of my favorite scenes.

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Yeah Heimdall was pretty cool. Wish we had a way to get more of him in the films

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The trailers and rumored story seem to suggest so. More of the Asgardians -- Hemdall, Frigga, Sif and the Warriors Three -- is great.

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Heimdall is supposed to kick some ass in this movie. Taylor and Elba both said he has more to do in this film.

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Lets see, Tony is taking some time off to be with Pepper, Cap and BW are busy hunting down TWS, Banner is probably in seclusion again, and who the hell knows where Hawkeye is. Also, we don't know how Thor gets to Earth, if he can only do it once, etc. And the most important reason, the movie is called THOR: TDW, not Avengers 2. I heard the same argument with IM 3, it made no sense there, and makes even less here.


People just want to find things to nit-pick about, it's ridiculous. The Avengers can't show up everytime a member gets into some sought of trouble or a small conflict/problem. The Avengers only assemble when the threat is too big for one of them to handle i.e ULTRON.

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