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Old 04-11-2013, 01:24 PM   #476
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I am actually really interested who Nolan's going to pick as his cinematographer; I really hope he surprises us instead of going for the obvious choice (Deakins).

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I don't see how Deakins is the obvious choice. I don't see any reasons why they would team up, especially with their philosophies competing, with Deakins declaring that digital has beat out film and Nolan still championing film. The obvious choice would be Robert Elswit, but also a great choice, given his experience with IMAX (Ghost Protocol).

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but serious. without the mega exposition in Inception it wouldnt make that much money. it had to be 100% clear to everyone. and i agree with Nolan.
The exposition in Inception was needed, if awkward. The exposition in Batman was unneeded, and insulting.

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The exposition in Inception was needed, if awkward. The exposition in Batman was unneeded, and insulting.
See I've never found the exposition in Inception to be awkward. It employed a pretty standard trope with Ariadne as a newcomer, essentially an audience stand in, learning the process. At the same time though, everything revealed to her about the inception process also revealed things about Dom.

In the opening of the film we are given a mission with no explanation.

In the middle we get the explanation but it also builds Dom as a character

In the end we get the full mission, now with an understanding of the rules. Everything is really well put together through the editing of the different scenes in different levels of the dream. Something that could have been completely inaccessable or could have been crushed under its own weight is instead a crowd pleaser.

It was weird to see people brag that "I didn't even thing Inception was that complex" (Because yeah being able to understand the plot of giant blockbusters makes you so cool) It was never meant to be.

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ee I've never found the exposition in Inception to be awkward. It employed a pretty standard trope with Ariadne as a newcomer, essentially an audience stand in, learning the process. At the same time though, everything revealed to her about the inception process also revealed things about Dom.
Nolan never attempts to "hide" the exposition under the veneer of natural dialogue like other writers do. Which is why it is awkward to me; especially in rewatches when I already know most of the "rules" of the world. I'm inclined to skip the first 45 minutes entirely when I watch the film these days because I don't need to know what I already know repeated to me.

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I'm still wondering until now what a "clean slate" is... Can someone please explain?

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I hate Alfred/Wayne's first dialogue in the film when Bale blatantly describes to us the audience who and what Selina Kyle is and why she will be undergoing her character arc. It's so bluntly expository that I can't help do anything but laugh.

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Alfred's role in TDkR was baffling, I must say.

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I'm still wondering until now what a "clean slate" is... Can someone please explain?
The Clean Slate? Where you type in someones name, date of birth, and in a few minutes....they're gone in every database on Earth?

Yeah, never heard of it.


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Nolan never attempts to "hide" the exposition under the veneer of natural dialogue like other writers do. Which is why it is awkward to me; especially in rewatches when I already know most of the "rules" of the world. I'm inclined to skip the first 45 minutes entirely when I watch the film these days because I don't need to know what I already know repeated to me.
I fully agree with you that the exposition in the batfilms, especially Rises is pretty bad. It works in Inception for me though because they are literally teaching someone. It just works better than the Alfred-infodumps.

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It works in Inception for me though because they are literally teaching someone.
But what happens when you've already been taught? You already know every rule of the world? The exposition than becomes tediously redundant. If Nolan wrote clever character interplay over the exposition perhaps the first forty five minutes would be more enjoyable to watch after two times.

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I hate Alfred/Wayne's first dialogue in the film when Bale blatantly describes to us the audience who and what Selina Kyle is and why she will be undergoing her character arc. It's so bluntly expository that I can't help do anything but laugh.
I actually thought it worked quite well as he was doing a profile on her. It was all expository, but it felt natural that he'd do research on the thief that robbed him (and made him smitten). And telling Alfred, his confidant, allows him to tell the audience a huge chunk of exposition in a relatively natural way.

Compare that to say the way Nick Fury and Captain America talk in their first scene in Avengers. It is an entire recap of the last film and a clunky way to explain Cap's entire character arc for the film in a single minute.

I am not saying Nolan does not write clunky scenes, for example Talia's death scene or Daggett watching the police chase. I just felt that one worked.

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But what happens when you've already been taught? You already know every rule of the world? The exposition than becomes tediously redundant. If Nolan wrote clever character interplay over the exposition perhaps the first forty five minutes would be more enjoyable to watch after two times.
That may be the reason why I never enjoyed Inception as much as I did on my first viewing?

I never even thought of this. Hmmmmm.

Still like the movie, though.

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The Clean Slate? Where you type in someones name, date of birth, and in a few minutes....they're gone in every database on Earth?
Sounds a little too good to be true.

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I actually thought it worked quite well as he was doing a profile on her. It was all expository, but it felt natural that he'd do research on the thief that robbed him (and made him smitten). And telling Alfred, his confidant, allows him to tell the audience a huge chunk of exposition in a relatively natural way.
The way the dialogue is written comes more off as addressing the audience than addressing Alfred, unfortunately. I can close my eyes during that scene and hear Bruce Wayne talking directly to me.

I would've rather seen Bruce researching her alone where her background is fully laid visually in his Batcomputer, requiring no need to verbally address it.

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But what happens when you've already been taught? You already know every rule of the world? The exposition than becomes tediously redundant. If Nolan wrote clever character interplay over the exposition perhaps the first forty five minutes would be more enjoyable to watch after two times.
I agree. And honestly, part of me feels the same way about the ferry scene in TDK. The first time you see it, there's a ton of suspense in terms of "who will blow up the ferry?" But in subsequent viewings those scenes just drag, mostly because there are these long periods of people just holding the trigger and looking apprehensively at the camera. LONG periods. Yeah, we get it, its a tough choice, but do we have to view the people making that choice in real time?

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I don't get the big deal of using the same actors. It's not like he's chosing bad actors, they're all ridiculously high value actors
My point is that some actor / director relationships are so succesfull Scorsese / DiCaprio,Depp / Burton .

I am sad that Oldman has not such a director who casts him frequently .He never worked with a director twice on different movies and I wonder why ? .He always worked twice with directors ,out of the fact, that the character Oldman played was featured in the sequel as well ,so the director had no chance LOL .I hoped Nolan would be the one but seems he again has choosen other actors to work with again ....

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I'm guessing it's because he's older and not "leading man" material anymore (or whatever you call them) compared to the Depps and Di Caprios? I don't know. It's not like he's hard to work with. I don't recall ever hearing anything about him being a PITA. It broke my heart when I read that one interview where he said that he wanted some parts but they were not being offered to him (I think it was Valjean in Les Mis?).

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I'm guessing it's because he's older and not "leading man" material anymore (or whatever you call them) compared to the Depps and Di Caprios? I don't know. It's not like he's hard to work with. I don't recall ever hearing anything about him being a PITA. It broke my heart when I read that one interview where he said that he wanted some parts but they were not being offered to him (I think it was Valjean in Les Mis?).
Eh, it's not like he isn't getting work anymore. He's in both Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and Robocop, both very high profile and got an Oscar nomination last year. Then again I would like to see him work with Nolan once more.

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But what happens when you've already been taught? You already know every rule of the world? The exposition than becomes tediously redundant. If Nolan wrote clever character interplay over the exposition perhaps the first forty five minutes would be more enjoyable to watch after two times.

That just seems like an odd thing to criticize a film for.

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I'm guessing it's because he's older and not "leading man" material anymore (or whatever you call them) compared to the Depps and Di Caprios? I don't know. It's not like he's hard to work with. I don't recall ever hearing anything about him being a PITA. It broke my heart when I read that one interview where he said that he wanted some parts but they were not being offered to him (I think it was Valjean in Les Mis?).
Oldman is actually only 5 years older than Depp, Pitt and Tom Cruise. It's kind of odd how those three have clung to their leading man status a decade or more past 40.

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I'm guessing it's because he's older and not "leading man" material anymore (or whatever you call them) compared to the Depps and Di Caprios? I don't know. It's not like he's hard to work with. I don't recall ever hearing anything about him being a PITA. It broke my heart when I read that one interview where he said that he wanted some parts but they were not being offered to him (I think it was Valjean in Les Mis?).
Gary's always been a character actor. He's too much of a chameleon for his own good. It's like, a leading man still has to be recognizable for people to fawn after their leading-manness.

Tom Cruise and Will Smith, you kinda know their schtick by now. And even Depp, to a point. That's why people love watching them. DiCaprio definitely has more range, and is a tremendous actor, but he can't get away from his babyface.

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You just named three pretty boys and asked why they are getting more roles than Oldman? Oldman is handsome but he comes off as much older. Most of the time the pretty boy with the help of plastic surgery ages better. Also has Oldman ever been a leading man?

EDIT : Anita beat me to it although I'd never discribe Leo as a great actor.

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Maybe I like these summer blockbusters more because they have more exposition than his smaller-scale films - and more action

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I actually think of Pitt as a character actor trapped in a leading man's body. And that's not a bad thing at all.

ETA: Obviously I wasn't reading because Pitt was never mentioned in the discussions above.

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You just named three pretty boys and asked why they are getting more roles than Oldman? Oldman is handsome but he comes off as much older. Most of the time the pretty boy with the help of plastic surgery ages better. Also has Oldman ever been a leading man?

EDIT : Anita beat me to it although I'd never discribe Leo as a great actor.
Oldman play Beethoven, the character that the movie is about (although arguably not the main protagonist) in Immortal Beloved.

And was unrecognizable in doing so.

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