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Old 07-18-2008, 10:58 PM   #1
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seriously. I hope they do. After watching TDK today... I really want to see them go with The Dark Knight Falls. 1) WB gets their Superman vs. Batman, and it would make sense, 2)it's a nice intermediate step towards a JL, without making a ridiculous jump. 3) Frank Miller now has some hollywood weight to throw around. 4) the story is brilliant, and it fits with TDK to a degree (just needs a little tweaking here and there to make the plot points fit with the 2 existing live action universes)

and even though I hate to say it, with prep time, batman will always beats superman... but it would be awesome to see live action

I'd much rather see that, then some world finest stuff.

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If TDK's B.O. doesnt lite a fire under W.B.'s ass to get other projects moving, nothing will.
and oh, TdK got the opening day record. 66 mill.

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If TDK's B.O. doesnt lite a fire under W.B.'s ass to get other projects moving, nothing will.
and oh, TdK got the opening day record. 66 mill.
Lets hope so, because the Dark Knight Falls narrative has pretty much everything in it.

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seriously. I hope they do. After watching TDK today... I really want to see them go with The Dark Knight Falls. 1) WB gets their Superman vs. Batman, and it would make sense, 2)it's a nice intermediate step towards a JL, without making a ridiculous jump. 3) Frank Miller now has some hollywood weight to throw around. 4) the story is brilliant, and it fits with TDK to a degree (just needs a little tweaking here and there to make the plot points fit with the 2 existing live action universes)

and even though I hate to say it, with prep time, batman will always beats superman... but it would be awesome to see live action

I'd much rather see that, then some world finest stuff.
Great idea and Jason and Robin can team up and form the Teen Titans.

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Great idea and Jason and Robin can team up and form the Teen Titans.
SatEL man, sometimes you just gotta chill, and deal with the crap that you've got. Such is life. Sooner or later, there will be yet another superman franchise, with a reboot. It will just not be this time around. I'm assuming we're all under 30 here... so we've got atleast 2 reboots left in our lifetime. So just go with the flow for now. And really, I don't think any superman fan likes the idea of Jason. But it is still a mystery as to how this annoyance will be dealt with. Being negative all the time must take it's toll.

anyhow... like I said, a little tweaking to fit the existing live action universes. Robin doesn't even exist in this world yet... so no need to worry 'bout that. And as Superman only really figures in the story as a pawn of the government... there really isn't any need to see Superman's homelife... he is after all, the dimwitted villain of the story(which you should actually like SatEL).

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And as Superman only really figures in the story as a pawn of the government... there really isn't any need to see Superman's homelife... he is after all, the dimwitted villain of the story(which you should actually like SatEL).
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Hatred for Frank Miller...rising ...rising...fading...RISING

Yeah... I respect the guy for saving Batman, and making comics serious again, but God the guy s**ts all over Superman. I love both characters, and think it's disgusting how he treats him. As someone else said, "complete disrespect." He should in no way be involved.
And when it comes to the two fighting, Batman would certainly not always win. It all depends on how much Kryptonite he has, or what sort of ironman-esque type suit he's built, but I would think Superman would pretty much kill him with his spit (he did this to Luthor in a dream once... Just spit right through his power suit, right through his forehead. It was epic).

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Yeah... I respect the guy for saving Batman, and making comics serious again,
Batman comics were serious before Frank Miller came on board for the Dark Knight Returns. You can thank Denny O'Neil for that. Frank Miller is soooo overrated.

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but God the guy s**ts all over Superman. I love both characters, and think it's disgusting how he treats him. As someone else said, "complete disrespect." He should in no way be involved.
Ummm...that someone else was me

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And when it comes to the two fighting, Batman would certainly not always win. It all depends on how much Kryptonite he has, or what sort of ironman-esque type suit he's built, but I would think Superman would pretty much kill him with his spit (he did this to Luthor in a dream once... Just spit right through his power suit, right through his forehead. It was epic).
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Haha someone is a Simpsons fan.

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SatEL man, sometimes you just gotta chill, and deal with the crap that you've got. Such is life. Sooner or later, there will be yet another superman franchise, with a reboot. It will just not be this time around. I'm assuming we're all under 30 here... so we've got atleast 2 reboots left in our lifetime. So just go with the flow for now. And really, I don't think any superman fan likes the idea of Jason. But it is still a mystery as to how this annoyance will be dealt with. Being negative all the time must take it's toll.

anyhow... like I said, a little tweaking to fit the existing live action universes. Robin doesn't even exist in this world yet... so no need to worry 'bout that. And as Superman only really figures in the story as a pawn of the government... there really isn't any need to see Superman's homelife... he is after all, the dimwitted villain of the story(which you should actually like SatEL).
Heh. What about the over 30 crowd?

As for a reboot, i'm not going to rule out anything at this point.
That said, I do think we'll be hearing some news on other DC properties, and soon.

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Heh. What about the over 30 crowd?

As for a reboot, i'm not going to rule out anything at this point.
That said, I do think we'll be hearing some news on other DC properties, and soon.
you guys already got your movie(s), back in 1980s

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SatEL man, sometimes you just gotta chill, and deal with the crap that you've got. Such is life. Sooner or later, there will be yet another superman franchise, with a reboot. It will just not be this time around. I'm assuming we're all under 30 here... so we've got atleast 2 reboots left in our lifetime. So just go with the flow for now. And really, I don't think any superman fan likes the idea of Jason. But it is still a mystery as to how this annoyance will be dealt with. Being negative all the time must take it's toll.
In other words Singer and crew ****ed up so I have to tolerate it? It sounds like thats what your saying, and no there is no mystery behind the concept of Jason and I dont care how Singer and co go about dealing with it in a sequel. The kid shouldn't and I repeat shouldn't have been in the first film, it was a stupid way of introducing Superman to a new generation and now they have to go through all this hassle of changing it.

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anyhow... like I said, a little tweaking to fit the existing live action universes. Robin doesn't even exist in this world yet... so no need to worry 'bout that. And as Superman only really figures in the story as a pawn of the government... there really isn't any need to see Superman's homelife... he is after all, the dimwitted villain of the story(which you should actually like SatEL).
Actually I like my Superman smart.

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In other words Singer and crew ****ed up so I have to tolerate it? It sounds like thats what your saying, and no there is no mystery behind the concept of Jason and I dont care how Singer and co go about dealing with it in a sequel. The kid shouldn't and I repeat shouldn't have been in the first film, it was a stupid way of introducing Superman to a new generation and now they have to go through all this hassle of changing it.
No ****, but it is. We've all complained about it at one time or another. But there is nothing we can do about it. Basically what I'm saying is: you are preaching to the choir, and I know how you feel, I think everyone on the forum does. No need to keep reminding us. Get it?

want your reboot? WAIT FOR IT

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No ****, but it is. We've all complained about it at one time or another. But there is nothing we can do about it. Basically what I'm saying is: you are preaching to the choir, and I know how you feel, I think everyone on the forum does. No need to keep reminding us. Get it?

want your reboot? WAIT FOR IT
I love singing that song.....................you know the one called SR sucks, why would I want to or have to wait for a reboot when there is a chance it could occur now. Oh and vice versa want your sequel? WAIT FOR IT.

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seriously. I hope they do. After watching TDK today... I really want to see them go with The Dark Knight Falls. 1) WB gets their Superman vs. Batman, and it would make sense, 2)it's a nice intermediate step towards a JL, without making a ridiculous jump. 3) Frank Miller now has some hollywood weight to throw around. 4) the story is brilliant, and it fits with TDK to a degree (just needs a little tweaking here and there to make the plot points fit with the 2 existing live action universes)

and even though I hate to say it, with prep time, batman will always beats superman... but it would be awesome to see live action

I'd much rather see that, then some world finest stuff.
1. Superman and Batman should never meet until Nolan and Singer are done with what they're doing.

2. World's Finest would be cool to see before a Justice League movie, but I can live without it.

3. Frank Miller should never, ever touch anything involving Superman. The man treats him with so much disrespect.

4. I think that almost no tweaking is needed. The way Nolan and Singer approached their respective characters, they can fit together. Realism can only go so far when making a comic book movie after all.

5. Even with prep-time, Batman will never beat Superman. Read Hush.

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1. Superman and Batman should never meet until Nolan and Singer are done with what they're doing.

2. World's Finest would be cool to see before a Justice League movie, but I can live without it.

3. Frank Miller should never, ever touch anything involving Superman. The man treats him with so much disrespect.

4. I think that almost no tweaking is needed. The way Nolan and Singer approached their respective characters, they can fit together. Realism can only go so far when making a comic book movie after all.

5. Even with prep-time, Batman will never beat Superman. Read Hush.
I agree with all of those, especially no. 5.
All Superman has to do is wait. Eventually Batman will get old and die. Than Superman can lean over his coffin and say "I win, *****".

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3. Frank Miller should never, ever touch anything involving Superman. The man treats him with so much disrespect.

4. I think that almost no tweaking is needed. The way Nolan and Singer approached their respective characters, they can fit together. Realism can only go so far when making a comic book movie after all.
3) based purely on the material in DKF, I disagree. The use of superman in the story fits the character perfectly. Superman is dangerous because he wants to be so good, that he crosses the line in helping people (too much power in one man's hands) vs. Batman, the ultimate falsly accused fugitive. Based only on that comic, Millar used superman perfectly... most especially in the climax.

4)I meant tweaking of the DKF story, not of the two universes. IMO, both universes are pretty much flush. The environments are pretty similar and have no problematic barriers to integration

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3) based purely on the material in DKF, I disagree. The use of superman in the story fits the character perfectly. Superman is dangerous because he wants to be so good, that he crosses the line in helping people (too much power in one man's hands) vs. Batman, the ultimate falsly accused fugitive. Based only on that comic, Millar used superman perfectly... most especially in the climax.
Frank Miller treats Superman like garbage. He has absolutely no knowledge about Superman's character at all. He's not an idiot like he portrays him in All-Star Batman and Robin. He would never be a stooge of the government no matter the circumstance like in the Dark Knight Returns. He would never be a puppet of Lex Luthor like in the Dark Knight Strikes Again. And he would never be Wonder Woman's lover.

He also has no concept on how to use Superman's powers.

Let's compare:

Ordinary human vs. an ordinary Kryptonian. Logic clearly dictates that the man has absolutely no chance against the alien who can move at superspeed, shoot beams of heat out of his eyes, freeze and blow things away with his breath, fly, and can withstand a nuclear explosion. Even when he gets hit with a nuclear weapon and the ordinary man posesses a piece of kryptonite.

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Well in that case my mistake in misunderstanding you.

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3) based purely on the material in DKF, I disagree. The use of superman in the story fits the character perfectly. Superman is dangerous because he wants to be so good, that he crosses the line in helping people (too much power in one man's hands) vs. Batman, the ultimate falsly accused fugitive. Based only on that comic, Millar used superman perfectly... most especially in the climax.
Frank Miller treats Superman like garbage. He has absolutely no knowledge about Superman's character at all. He's not an idiot like he portrays him in All-Star Batman and Robin. He would never be a stooge of the government no matter the circumstance like in the Dark Knight Returns. He would never be a puppet of Lex Luthor like in the Dark Knight Strikes Again. And he would never be Wonder Woman's lover.

He also has no concept on how to use Superman's powers.

Let's compare:

Ordinary human vs. an ordinary Kryptonian. Logic clearly dictates that the man has absolutely no chance against the alien who can move at superspeed, shoot beams of heat out of his eyes, freeze and blow things away with his breath, fly, and can withstand a nuclear explosion. Even when he gets hit with a nuclear weapon and the ordinary man posesses a piece of kryptonite.

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Well in that case my mistake in misunderstanding you.

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Frank Miller treats Superman like garbage. He has absolutely no knowledge about Superman's character at all. He's not an idiot like he portrays him in All-Star Batman and Robin. He would never be a stooge of the government no matter the circumstance like in the Dark Knight Returns. He would never be a puppet of Lex Luthor like in the Dark Knight Strikes Again. And he would never be Wonder Woman's lover.

He also has no concept on how to use Superman's powers.

Let's compare:

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Well in that case my mistake in misunderstanding you.

you really shouldn't be reading that all star stuff... it was going to be terrible as soon as the announced the title

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I don't actually buy that crap.

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1. Superman and Batman should never meet until Nolan and Singer are done with what they're doing.

2. World's Finest would be cool to see before a Justice League movie, but I can live without it.

3. Frank Miller should never, ever touch anything involving Superman. The man treats him with so much disrespect.

4. I think that almost no tweaking is needed. The way Nolan and Singer approached their respective characters, they can fit together. Realism can only go so far when making a comic book movie after all.

5. Even with prep-time, Batman will never beat Superman. Read Hush.


Um, I believe in Hush, he BEAT Superman.

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Um, I believe in Hush, he BEAT Superman.
No he didn't beat Superman. It was more like he had his Kryptonite ring and punched him about three times and stopped because his hand would have been broken if he continued and ran away while Catwoman kidnapped Lois to make him come back to his senses. The tone of his internal dialogue even sounded like he knew he couldn't beat Superman, and Superman was holding back.

But have you read Superman: Sacrifice where Superman wasn't holding back and almost killed Batman. He would have too if Batman didn't activate the Watchtower's defense systems and Wonder Woman appearing just in time.

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No he didn't beat Superman. It was more like he had his Kryptonite ring and punched him about three times and stopped because his hand would have been broken if he continued and ran away while Catwoman kidnapped Lois to make him come back to his senses. The tone of his internal dialogue even sounded like he knew he couldn't beat Superman, and Superman was holding back.

But have you read Superman: Sacrifice where Superman wasn't holding back and almost killed Batman. He would have too if Batman didn't activate the Watchtower's defense systems and Wonder Woman appearing just in time.
BEST POST EVER......

I just figured out that someone didn't read Bat's internal dialogue in HUSH, and Supes almost took everyone out in Inf. Crisis and Sacrafice.

Supes is not to be messed with when he's not holding back.

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