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Old 02-25-2016, 02:40 PM   #26
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Wouldn't it have been arguably more racist to cast an Asian in the role of a kung-fu expert? I feel like that would've ruffled even more feathers.
Don't think it would have been any worse than the tired "White man dropped into a foreign culture/fish out of water/white hope" trope. At least in your case, we'd have a major AA superhero.

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My main issue has always been that tiresome trope of a white dude going into another culture, submerging himself in it, and somehow emerging as the best that culture has to offer. Its the same reason why The Last Samurai was such a face-palmer for a lot of people despite the movie being pretty solid.
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:42 PM   #27
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Why the f*** are people complaining about the Iron Fist actor being white? Even Collider commented: "it would have been nice to cast an Asian-American in the role instead of the whitest dude imaginable"

ANyway, don't know about the actor. Don't remember him from GoT (I dont remember most of the characters). Hope he does well
Something to do with this trope.

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Old 02-25-2016, 02:43 PM   #28
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Reminds me when they cast Spider-Man and Nick Mundy commented: "Congrats to another boring white dude"

I mean, as a black person myself I find the whole thing just stupid.
As a white man I'm offended. I'm offended that you aren't offended.

Hopefully Jones can go about his day and not be bothered by such ****. This is a great role for an actor moving up in the world, let him have his success instead of trying to take it away from him.

"But... but he's a white man with success that he'd get anyway!"

You ****ing people.

Let it go. Let. It. Gooooooooo.

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Old 02-25-2016, 02:44 PM   #29
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Wouldn't it have been arguably more racist to cast an Asian in the role of a kung-fu expert? I feel like that would've ruffled even more feathers.
No if the character were to be presented as more than just a kung-fu expert.

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Old 02-25-2016, 02:46 PM   #30
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We get it. Mighty whitey. It's just racist. It just is. *sigh*

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Old 02-25-2016, 02:48 PM   #31
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This could basically be Finn Jones' reaction to the people complaining he was cast as Iron Fist
https://youtu.be/RvoRkiEW1WY

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Old 02-25-2016, 02:49 PM   #32
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Don't think it would have been any worse than the tired "White man dropped into a foreign culture/fish out of water/white hope" trope. At least in your case, we'd have a major AA superhero.



Bingo.
So for the record are you perturbed that they cast a white dude to play a character that has always been white?

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Old 02-25-2016, 02:52 PM   #33
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This was always going to be a lose/lose situation for Marvel. the character is great but at the same time very problematic.

My main issue has always been that tiresome trope of a white dude going into another culture, submerging himself in it, and somehow emerging as the best that culture has to offer. Its the same reason why The Last Samurai was such a face-palmer for a lot of people despite the movie being pretty solid.
Kinda like Luke a farm boy from in his isolated world becoming the best jedi of the galaxy.
Or Agent J, a nobody, becoming the hero in the Men in Black instead of all the trained agent.
Or the anime, MÄR where a japanese boy is going to another world and become the hero from there.

It's just being the main character, being a nobody in his world becoming a hero in another place he just discovered,this story is everywhere and they don't become hero because of their race.

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Old 02-25-2016, 02:54 PM   #34
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I really dont care if hes asian, white, black, poka dotted. I just wanna see Iron Fist kick ass. Thats what I signed up for thats all I care about. Glad we have the reveal.

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Old 02-25-2016, 02:55 PM   #35
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So for the record are you perturbed that they cast a white dude to play a character that has always been white?
I wouldn't say perturbed but I think they missed a pretty cool opportunity to tell a story that wasn't so stereotypical. Rand didn't need to be white, and like I said earlier, changing his ethnicity completely removes the terrible "White Hope" trope.

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Old 02-25-2016, 02:57 PM   #36
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How about we wait and see what they do with it. I could see them recognizing these problems and playing it up to be a bit subversive. Writers are smart people and usually are on the button to these sort of things. Writers more than anyone are aware of tropes.

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And the overly PC crowd are going nuts on Twitter. Go figure.
Let them go nuts. They might be vocal but they are not that numerous.

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Old 02-25-2016, 02:59 PM   #38
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I wouldn't say perturbed but I think they missed a pretty cool opportunity to tell a story that wasn't so stereotypical. Rand didn't need to be white, and like I said earlier, changing his ethnicity completely removes the terrible "White Hope" trope.
No they didn't. There was no more opportunity here than there is with Doctor Strange, Daredevil or numerous other characters.

Danny Rand isn't a white hope trope either.

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Old 02-25-2016, 03:00 PM   #39
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It's not like the opposite isn't true in Asia. As someone who's watched a lot of Asian films and dramas it isn't uncommon for someone to go train or study in America and come back as the greatest doctor/agent/detective/whatever. There are two Asians on the main cast of AoS. And Iron fist is definitely going to add some more.
If you really want to avoid tropes you should have asked for a Latino actor. Then we could have the Latino savior. Better yet make him Chamorro. Has there ever been a Chamorro comic book character? No and you don't hear me ****ing.

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No if the character were to be presented as more than just a kung-fu expert.
What if a white actor is represented as more than just a kung-fu expert and "mighty whitey?"

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Old 02-25-2016, 03:01 PM   #41
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I wouldn't say perturbed but I think they missed a pretty cool opportunity to tell a story that wasn't so stereotypical. Rand didn't need to be white, and like I said earlier, changing his ethnicity completely removes the terrible "White Hope" trope.
But who's to say this trope will be present within the series?
I agree that the character doesn't need to be white but Marvel was in a no-win situation and choose to give him the skin color he's always had. I'm fine with that. I also think if they had cast an AA actor to play him it would've upset not just the hardcore fanboys but a few people who would've felt slighted that the first major Asian American superhero in the MCU was the kung-fu guy. That also seems potentially problematic to me.

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Doctor Strange didn't need to be white either. And he doesn't do martial arts.

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Old 02-25-2016, 03:08 PM   #43
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Reminds me when they cast Spider-Man and Nick Mundy commented: "Congrats to another boring white dude"

I mean, as a black person myself I find the whole thing just stupid.
I feel the exact same way lol.

It's awesome that Iron Fist has been finally cast. Can't wait to see him either in Luke Cage or in his own series.

Tempted to go play some UMvC3 again.

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I'm hype for the links between the Hand plot in DD and Iron Fist.

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Sweet.

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I'm more excited this show is finally happening. This is the show I've been waiting for more than Daredevil.

Not even stupid complainers will get me down about this.

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Old 02-25-2016, 03:22 PM   #47
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I've never heard of him before. I hope he works well with Mike Colter. I don't want them to be a boring duo with no chemistry. Presumably they would've tested for that too (I hope) and not just cast him completely on his own.

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Netflix and Marvel haven't said anything yet though.

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I thought Marvel are normally the ones to make the announcements for these Netflix series. Wasn't that the case with DD, JJ and Luke Cage?

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Netflix and Marvel haven't said anything yet though.
It's true. But EW, THR, and Deadline are all running the story. That pretty much means its confirmed.

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