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Old 06-20-2017, 03:10 PM   #51
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I've never been in favor of carrying over the TV actors to the movie side. For a ton of reasons. The #1 being that you then have to incorporate storylines from the TV shows into the movies, and alot of the storylines in Arrow/Flash/Supergirl have been watered down for budget/character restriction reasons, others for just illogical reasons (Ahem *Starling City*) and there has been an enormous amount of just plain bad writing on those shows. Also, once you incorporate the lead actors of these shows into the movie universe, it means you also have to bring in the supporting cast actors once you do a solo movie, most of them are horrendous and not up to par with traditional movie actors. Stephen Amell for example then becomes your movie Green Arrow as well, and there are tons of better actors they can get for that role.

That said, while I don't particularly care for the show, I do like Grant Gustin better than Ezra Miller as Barry/Flash, not because he's a better actor, just think he fits the role better. We'll see if I change my mind once/if the Flash movie gets made, but I just never liked the casting of Miller as Flash. Regardless, it wouldn't work, if I ever have to see Cisco again it will be too soon and once you make Gustin the movie Flash, the supporting casts comes with him for a solo movie. There are plenty of other reasons it doesn't work as well.

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Old 06-20-2017, 03:13 PM   #52
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Reverse Flash was legit frightening though, even more than a lot of big screen supervillains.
He was the best part of the show at the time.

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I thought it was mediocre at best. Bad acting, uninspired villains, inconsistent portrayals of Barry's speed, cringeworthy dialogue and romantic drama...nah. Adaptations can do far better than Flash. And they have.
Ah we'll have to agree to disagree

Reverse Flash is in my top 5 live action CBM villains ever. Flash to me is the best superhero TV show ever produced.

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I hope you're equally pleased with the movie version.

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I hope you're equally pleased with the movie version.
Me too haha, I like what I've seen so far. I'm open to different interpretations and just in case I made it seem otherwise, I would not want the DCCW universe to be on the big screen.

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Gustin isn't a bad actor by any stretch, but he's not so good that he'll divide the fan base. Same applies to the show, honestly. Season one wasn't that good, and from what I've heard, the series has declined since then.
Season one of Flash was great. Everything I would want from a TV show version of a superhero. Better than a lot of movie versions.
The problem is the next two season were just a repeat of the first season. Only with more and more boring villains.
And Barry turned into a whiney emo whose sole purpose was to fix things he f'd up in the first place.

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Old 06-20-2017, 04:58 PM   #57
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I'm not trolling, and if you read the individual episode threads you'll see a lot of other disgruntled fans. I don't see what's so innovative about it, either.
I only watched season 1 and it did become repetitive with some characterizations of Barry. I did like the season and like Grant as Barry but I can see he is not a movie star just like Tom wasn't etc. Flash suffers from similar things Smallville did in that they had to make the lead dumb to justify the other characters; for Smallville Chloe and Oliver for Flash his entire crew.

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Old 06-20-2017, 05:26 PM   #58
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Me too haha, I like what I've seen so far. I'm open to different interpretations and just in case I made it seem otherwise, I would not want the DCCW universe to be on the big screen.
No worries, I know.

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Just going by what I have seen in the Justice League trailers Ezra's version of the Flash seems to be younger and more fun loving though. Not all filled with angst and dread like the TV version.
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I only got that vibe when he felt like Iris was doomed, but even then, he didn't feel like an angst-ridden character. That's Oliver or Caitlin, but not Barry.

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The bar is not that high. Miller is the better actor and will make the role his own. His Flash will be seen by a much wider audience.
That's not what I've seen so far. Gustin is a more natural fit for Flash, but I'm hoping Miller can hold his own in JL.

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I think we should just appreciate that we live in a time when we get the characters we love in both Television and Movies. What a time to be a fan!
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I'm not trolling, and if you read the individual episode threads you'll see a lot of other disgruntled fans. I don't see what's so innovative about it, either.
Speed Force, Grodd, King Shark, Time Wraiths, Cosmic Treadmill, Multiverse, Gorilla City, Time Remnants, Dynasty heroes, Barry running on water/up buildings/ jumping from floating pieces of debris to other pieces, Abra Kadabra...what's not innovative about this show?

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Ah we'll have to agree to disagree

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Thing is you're taking faithful adaptions but there are so many different versions anyway. I actually think people need to stop wanting the comic version on screen. What works in a comic won't always work on TV and vice versa.

Look at Superman the Movie, that film was very different from the comics at the time. Krypton never looked like that until that film. So the live action versions can influence the comic books too. Which is exactly what Supergirl's take is doing now. Infact I feel like the TV show is finally the definitive take on a character that has never really had a definitive version. I feel like this is a the version people will talk about for years to come.

Also I know you're talking characterisations but both the shows do take a lot from the comics.
Well my reference is actually the DCAU, along with the other animated shows & movies out of WB Animation, as I've never "read" a comic-book before (like sat down to read one), but I am casually familiar with them as I've paged through them at newsstands and bookstores before.

But I get what you mean with there being different versions. I guess I just view WB's animated stuff from the 90s/00s to have some of the most ideal references for the characters. Barry Allen in JL: Flashpoint Paradox for example definitely isn't the same Barry Allen on the CW show, and that's the Barry Allen that I'd prefer to see in a live-action movie—almost characterized like Hal Jordan in a sense, except his power is speed instead of an alien green ring.

Also, now that I actually think about it, I feel like that John Wesley-Shipp portrayed a better Barry Allen in the 90s than Grant Gustin is now....


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Well my reference is actually the DCAU, along with the other animated shows & movies out of WB Animation, as I've never "read" a comic-book before (like sat down to read one), but I am casually familiar with them as I've paged through them at newsstands and bookstores before.

But I get what you mean with there being different versions. I guess I just view WB's animated stuff from the 90s/00s to have some of the most ideal references for the characters. Barry Allen in JL: Flashpoint Paradox for example definitely isn't the same Barry Allen on the CW show, and that's the Barry Allen that I'd prefer to see in a live-action movie—almost characterized like Hal Jordan in a sense, except his power is speed instead of an alien green ring.

Also, now that I actually think about it, I feel like that John Wesley-Shipp portrayed a better Barry Allen in the 90s than Grant Gustin is now....
My favourite Superman is STAS so I totally get where you're coming from with that. I think for many of us that was a damn near spot on DC Universe.

As a fan of Gustin I do agree with you that Shipp was better. Which is why I love that he's Jay Garrick on the new TV show.

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