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Old 03-03-2017, 05:48 PM   #751
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I hope & wish that Armie Hammers is the next actor's role to confirmed in this universe. Put us all out of our misery (and his it would seem )

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Old 03-03-2017, 05:51 PM   #752
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Like some guy said, the modern model was already in place before the MCU came along right down to doing cinematic shorts. Fast & Furious
How was Fast and Furious a cinematic universe before 2008? I wasn't aware of this.

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I think WB would be wise to focus on Batman, Superman, Justice League and the Titans. Those are gonna be the best sellers for them.
Replace Superman with Suicide Squad and you're on to something. Sorry Superman fans but he's not very popular among generation Y and Z.

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Old 03-03-2017, 06:45 PM   #754
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How was Fast and Furious a cinematic universe before 2008? I wasn't aware of this.
Lemme be more precise.
The franchise building formula...those familiar standards were already set since 2003:
-Sequel is mostly made up of, at the time, new characters
-Spinoff features an entirely new cast, is set on the other side of the globe, and teases the return of the "face of the franchise"
-Fourth movie is the first time characters from the first, sequel and spinoff come together (it also happens to be *set before the spinoff and is a direct sequel to 2F2F; a timeline that lasted before the most recent installment*)
-Two in-universe short films set between the events of feature-length flicks by 2009
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They did mid-credits after the first 3 MCU movies to callback major developments and set up future installments.

All that's left is to go back to doing spinoffs if they wanna further branch out that universe.

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That's a lot of straw-grasping to support a comparison that doesn't really work. The F&F franchise is just a string of installments that carry elements from one film into another, much like countless other franchises. No spin-offs or solo movies/franchises like what the MCU is based on. And for the record, no, Tokyo drift was not a spin-off, it was a sequel to the first two and is always regarded as such.

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Countless other franchises like the MCU which is also a string of installments (prequels and sequels).
What the MCU cemented was the notion of spinoffs that go on to trilogies.
For the record, Tokyo Drift is now a sequel to 5 movies.
Like how TIH is now a sequel to 3 movies.

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Looks like we may be getting a new Wonder Woman trailer with Kong next week

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Countless other franchises like the MCU which is also a string of installments (prequels and sequels).
What the MCU cemented was the notion of spinoffs that go on to trilogies.
For the record, Tokyo Drift is now a sequel to 5 movies.
Like how TIH is now a sequel to 3 movies.
So, by that logic, we have:

3 Ninjas: Cinematic Universe
Home Alone: Cinematic Universe
Jurassic Park: Cinematic Universe


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So, by that logic, we have:

3 Ninjas: Cinematic Universe
Home Alone: Cinematic Universe
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Yeah - I think a Cinematic Universe is when things happen simultaneously through out multiple movies (e.g. Batfleck character showing up during the MoS fight at the beginning of B vs S)

The rest are just series, where things happen in succession with one another.

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So, by that logic, we have:

3 Ninjas: Cinematic Universe
Home Alone: Cinematic Universe
Jurassic Park: Cinematic Universe


The logic I'm referring to.

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I think "cinematic universe" is largely a marketing term. Just like "CBM". I don't see much difference between "ordinary" film series and cinematic universes. Cinematic universe is larger in scope, manages to connect stories of more varied genres into one massive narrative, but ultimately it's just a film series.

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Old 03-04-2017, 01:41 PM   #763
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I think "cinematic universe" is largely a marketing term. Just like "CBM". I don't see much difference between "ordinary" film series and cinematic universes. Cinematic universe is larger in scope, manages to connect stories of more varied genres into one massive narrative, but ultimately it's just a film series.
Its a term so studio's can sound cleverer & more relevant than they are....

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I would say that "cinematic universe" should be used to refer to franchises where the traditional sequel progression is notably blurred. Its a sliding scale, obviously, as there have always been spinoffs and prequels and such. The MCU is just at the far end of the spectrum, with multiple independent continuing series, that also lead to tie-in movies, and then separate again ( plus "spinoffs" that are fully independent movies not actually spinning off any already introduced characters, like GotG, Ant-Man, and Dr Strange ).

The closest pre-MCU analogs I can think of are the Predator/Aliens movies, for how they took two independent series and then proceeded to link them together, in ways that still allowed for new movies of both separate series.

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The closest pre-MCU analogs I can think of are the Predator/Aliens movies, for how they took two independent series and then proceeded to link them together, in ways that still allowed for new movies of both separate series.
Isn't AVP separate from the canon of previous franchises?

I'd say Freddy vs Jason if we're going by that standard, but both of those rebooted after the crossover.

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I'd say Freddy vs Jason if we're going by that standard, but both of those rebooted after the crossover.
Only reason for that was because it took years to develop that one film and no one had a solid idea for a sequel. Well there was the Ash concept but both Bruce Campbell and Sam Raimi passed.

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A cinematic universe contains multiple franchises that take place in the same world... doesn't get any simpler than that.

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Will JL make references to actual names of planets rather than generalizing them?

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Isn't AVP separate from the canon of previous franchises?
Pretty sure I have heard that from someone who was involved with one or other of the franchises.

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A cinematic universe contains multiple franchises that take place in the same world... doesn't get any simpler than that.
That works for me.

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Replace Superman with Suicide Squad and you're on to something. Sorry Superman fans but he's not very popular among generation Y and Z.
Because bad and mediocre movies were made about him. A good Superman movie will make bank.

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Because bad and mediocre movies were made about him. A good Superman movie will make bank.
Yeah, it worked for the 1978 movie.

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Superman is the most iconic superhero of all time. It's a shame DC can't seem to get him right outside of a couple of films in the 70s and 80s.

If done right, Superman would rival Batman in terms of popularity and I'd wager he would surpass Bats. Give me a Superman trilogy with villains like Brainiac, Metallo, and Mongul. Tell me that wouldn't clean up at the box office. If the DCEU would stop being so Batfamily focused for five seconds, they could get Supes off the ground.

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Superman is the poster child of Action Comics. They changed to DC for a reason.

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Superman is the poster child of Action Comics. They changed to DC for a reason.
Detective stories were very popular in those days. Sam Spade, Philip Marlowe, Ellery Queen. Makes sense to adapt with those times.

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