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Old 08-12-2018, 10:32 PM   #76
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Really? I've never gotten the impression that you're OK with them being a couple, even an unmarried one.
I was reading the book way back when MJ rejected his proposal back in ASM #183.... I like MJ as a character and a love interest.... But having her by his side for over 20 years really took away something from the book and I was happy to see some of that old school Spidey charm after OMD... Some of it was weird, but they were building something great... In MY opinion...
Having said that, enough time has gone by... I'm ok with the new relationship...

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Old 08-12-2018, 11:19 PM   #77
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The next arc will feature Black Cat...

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I really doubt that they will actually marry Peter and Mary Jane again.
Sure they will be allowed to be a couple but just not married in my opinion
And I'm okay with that
And I'm ok with that too however I would like to see OMD undone in some fashion. But like I've said before at least we're finally getting some recognition from Marvel on a story that was basically untouchable for nearly a decade.

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It sounds to me like Quesada has been taking revisionist history lessons from George Lucas, because too much evidence over the past decade indicates that he never wanted them to get back together again in the main continuity in any way; one of the most notorious examples being the atrocious One Moment in Time story.
Sure, I have my issues with Quesada and yes, with OMD and OMiT there certainly was a agenda against both MJ and the marriage however I do feel like there's a difference between Quesada and Slott.

Whereas Slott is often a temper-mental, insecure fanboy that gets upset at the slightest bit of criticism against his work--it's either approve of his ideas and stories in full or you're just not a good fan, Quesada, imo, doesn't really fit that mold. I do believe he's able to change his modus operandi based on conditions rather than emotions. He said there's no rules against having Peter and MJ be a couple...10 years ago or 8 years ago I doubt he would have said the same. His viewpoints on the marriage might be but we'll see. Either way, he's not directly in charge of the direction these books take.

Even if the marriage never comes back, yeah maybe that might bother me a little, at this point I'm just excited to have Peter/MJ and others behaving like humans again with actual dialogue and emotions and motives. Peter is competent, intelligent, and capable--something that had been missing from ASM for quite some time.

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Old 08-13-2018, 12:04 AM   #78
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The next arc will feature Black Cat...

Yes!!
Maybe this will be where the REAL redemption of her character will take place, unlike that half-assed bulls@!t we got in the Venom Inc. story. I'm wondering if she might even re-learn Peter's identity?

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Old 08-13-2018, 10:13 AM   #79
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Even if the marriage never comes back, yeah maybe that might bother me a little, at this point I'm just excited to have Peter/MJ and others behaving like humans again with actual dialogue and emotions and motives. Peter is competent, intelligent, and capable--something that had been missing from ASM for quite some time.
THIS.

Slott handles Spidey the same way I approach drawing Cap or Superman. I look at those two as SO ICONIC. They are important in their respective universes. They have to be ICONIC every time you draw them! It's intimidating! With Spider-man, it felt like Slott needed to make THE definitive Spidey take every time he wrote something...not realizing that many of Spider-Man's best stories were about simple interactions.

The CLONE SAGA was the biggest, longest, most complex and complicated story ever...
...and it sucked.

The Kid Who Collected Spider-Man was a back-up story starring 2 characters.
And it is TIMELESS.

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Old 08-13-2018, 01:01 PM   #80
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Maybe this will be where the REAL redemption of her character will take place, unlike that half-assed bulls@!t we got in the Venom Inc. story. I'm wondering if she might even re-learn Peter's identity?
She's my favorite supporting character so I'm anxious to see how Spencer handles her story. But yes, that one panel "oops my bad" resolution was pretty awful.

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THIS.

Slott handles Spidey the same way I approach drawing Cap or Superman. I look at those two as SO ICONIC. They are important in their respective universes. They have to be ICONIC every time you draw them! It's intimidating! With Spider-man, it felt like Slott needed to make THE definitive Spidey take every time he wrote something...not realizing that many of Spider-Man's best stories were about simple interactions.

The CLONE SAGA was the biggest, longest, most complex and complicated story ever...
...and it sucked.

The Kid Who Collected Spider-Man was a back-up story starring 2 characters.
And it is TIMELESS.

Just my 2 cents.
Exactly. Not every story has to be this larger than life event for it to be noteworthy. Also it really does help when the writer has a good grasp on the core truth of the characters.

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Old 08-14-2018, 11:12 AM   #81
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Something seems off with the new run.
Too condensed, too quick, no real emotion.
Stuff happens that is just convenient for plot.

How much time has passed since #800? No one seems to care that Pete, his family and friends, not to mention a huge chunk of Manhattan were in serious trouble. No mention of Flash's passing. No Jameson, though he is in Spectacular.

Pete is still acting a little like the immature kid Slott and Bendis wrote, but not as bad.

Last we saw Lizard/Conners, he was taking Billy and Martha away and they looked lizard like. What happened there? Where'd he get the inhibitor chip?

So much left unanswered or skipped over. Didn't they learn anything the last 2 times they pulled this time jump crap?

Hell, speaking of time jumps... 8 years and 8 months were supposed to have passed since the 616 ended. Pete is one of the few real people left.

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Old 08-14-2018, 05:28 PM   #82
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I really doubt that they will actually marry Peter and Mary Jane again.
Sure they will be allowed to be a couple but just not married in my opinion
And I'm okay with that
Aloha,
So am I.
I never got over how some fans got bent out of shape with OMD without reading the final pages. At no time, did the love between Peter and MJ die. MJ even said that their love would endure.Neither Peter nor MJ made a Ghost Rider deal with the devil. They sacrificed their marriage not their love to save aunt may.

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Old 08-14-2018, 07:04 PM   #83
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Aloha,
So am I.
I never got over how some fans got bent out of shape with OMD without reading the final pages. At no time, did the love between Peter and MJ die. MJ even said that their love would endure.Neither Peter nor MJ made a Ghost Rider deal with the devil. They sacrificed their marriage not their love to save aunt may.

Spidey rules
The final few pages of OMD does not take away from the absurdity of that story. Their love notwithstanding MJ has basically been treated as either garbage or a non entity for most of the past decade. And it's all because one writer couldn't pull his insecure, ego bloated head out of his own a$$. In my opinion, of course.

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Old 08-15-2018, 12:47 PM   #84
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The final few pages of OMD does not take away from the absurdity of that story. Their love notwithstanding MJ has basically been treated as either garbage or a non entity for most of the past decade. And it's all because one writer couldn't pull his insecure, ego bloated head out of his own a$$. In my opinion, of course.
Agreed.
OMD was still a crap story at best. I think it was made infinitely worse because Sensational Spider-Man did the exact opposite with its last few issues, and provided us with a few awesome stories before we ended up with...well...what we ended up with. OMD was totally out of character for Peter...but then again so was unmasking, which led him to that point.

If you removed JJJ or Aunt May and had them basically resigned to poorly-written versions of themselves who only popped up in a couple of issues over a decade or more, then Spidey fans would scream that it "wasn't the same without _____", or, "They don't write ______ like they should". They did exactly that with MJ, who has been in the book regularly since ASM#40 (more or less), and was his sole love interest for 20 years.

Yeah, it kind of matters.

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Old 08-16-2018, 12:37 AM   #85
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Pete is still acting a little like the immature kid Slott and Bendis wrote, but not as bad.
Really? I haven't really gotten that impression.

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Old 08-17-2018, 09:23 AM   #87
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So...Tri-Sentinel, Looter, and Robot Master?

Well-played, Spencer!

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Old 08-17-2018, 08:59 PM   #88
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Bought Issue 1 yesterday on a whim. I haven't read an issue of ASM since OMD. Since then I've read Spider-Man 2099 and the Renew your vows mini, but stuck mainly to back issues for my ASM fix. Reading this was like a shot of adrenline. This was a Peter Parker I recognized. I'm also a huge MJ/Peter fan, so that instantly made me happy. This is definitely on my pull list moving forward.Ottley's art also has a quality to it that reminds me of the McFarlane/Larsen/Bagley era of the 90s that I'm fond of. It's great to be excited about a current Spider-Man comic again.

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Old 08-18-2018, 02:49 PM   #89
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Bought Issue 1 yesterday on a whim. I haven't read an issue of ASM since OMD. Since then I've read Spider-Man 2099 and the Renew your vows mini, but stuck mainly to back issues for my ASM fix. Reading this was like a shot of adrenline. This was a Peter Parker I recognized. I'm also a huge MJ/Peter fan, so that instantly made me happy. This is definitely on my pull list moving forward.Ottley's art also has a quality to it that reminds me of the McFarlane/Larsen/Bagley era of the 90s that I'm fond of. It's great to be excited about a current Spider-Man comic again.
Awesome! You can count me in the group of fans that stopped ASM after OMD. Well, I stopped buying the comics. I kept on reading because I wanted to keep tabs on Spider-Man and see how things were going. Unfortunately, it was a downward spiral. Each year was worse than the one before. Anyways, this new startup with Spencer has been reinvigorating to both me and the characters. I really hope more fans start coming around and bring some life back to this section of the boards. I see lots of positivity around the Internet regarding this new run.

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