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Old 11-04-2012, 10:05 AM   #501
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Just came upon this regarding Stuntman Andrew Lawden
http://www.runnersworld.com/communit...n-3-thor-2-nrr

I wonder if there will be any rewrites for Thor 2 due to this leak, by the way. Wasn't there some rewrites done when Sam Jackson's script pages for Avengers was swiped?

Gosh, if Frigga's life is spared due to Mr. Lawden's loose lips, then I may have to give that man a hug.


Am also reading that Stan Lee has confirmed there is a Dr. Strange Movie in the works. No confirmation that he's (Dr. Strange) is showing up in a cameo in Thor 2 as of yet, but certainly a possibility still.
He said in the podcast that Marvel Disney put it out there for a reason and that it happens earlier in the film. So it isn't like some big event happens towards the end. It's just something that motivates Thor's actions towards the beginning.

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Same here, I think MCU Loki is SEVERELY toned down perhaps alot more than any other character in The Avengers.

I feel the same way about Loki vs Hulk, Loki has so many powers he could actually make it so that the Hulk couldn't even touch him.
Yes, but not if he is taken by surprise.

There are some stories where Thor defeated Loki quite easily because Loki wasn't prepared. So I wouldn't say that in there is so much of a difference between MCU Loki and comic Loki.

I mean, take Ares for example... Ares was able to put up a really good fight against Herc in one story of "Incredible Hercules"... but in another story, Hulk took out Ares with one punch. Ares got surprised, just like Loki in the movie.

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Just came upon this regarding Stuntman Andrew Lawden
http://www.runnersworld.com/communit...n-3-thor-2-nrr

I wonder if there will be any rewrites for Thor 2 due to this leak, by the way. Wasn't there some rewrites done when Sam Jackson's script pages for Avengers was swiped?

Gosh, if Frigga's life is spared due to Mr. Lawden's loose lips, then I may have to give that man a hug.
Here's a story about the theft of the Avengers script: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/0...uel-l-jackson/

What dialogue is in the pictures appears to be pretty much the same as what was in the film.

If they rewrite anything in Thor2, I doubt it will change any significant plot details. Here's why: they are at least halfway through shooting now. Films generally do not shoot scenes in the order in which they appear in the film. So they probably have shot some scenes already that come after Frigga's purported demise. If they were to rewrite that pivotal scene, they would also have to reshoot any already filmed scenes that appear downstream of that scene. That's wasted money and a slipped schedule. It's hard to imagine a scenario in which the cost of the "spoiled surprise" would outweigh the cost of those two factors.

This business of a stuntman deliberately leaking details apparently at the studio's behest does not have a precedent in Thor1. The only leaks for that film appear to be versions of the script. For the most part, the details of those various "spoiler" posts that I have read seem to agree with what was actually in the film. There was one script summary (which, unfortunately, I can't find right now) that listed Jane as being Erik's PhD student, rather than an independent researcher. But I had heard that Portman and . . . someone else whose name escapes me just now had advocated for that change. So that change probably wasn't prompted by the leak either.

It's also possible that Lawden was dispatched to issue red herrings. But it's harder to maintain subterfuge than to tell the truth or to keep silent, especially when several people have to act in concert. So that seems less likely also.

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Same here, I think MCU Loki is SEVERELY toned down perhaps alot more than any other character in The Avengers.

I feel the same way about Loki vs Hulk, Loki has so many powers he could actually make it so that the Hulk couldn't even touch him.



Did Loki say this in the MCU?
I agree.And he did. He said it in Thor 1

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Absolutely, I'm not disagreeing with you there, he needs them to consider him "worthy" to be King, but he also desires their approval, and he desired their approval BEFORE he decided to do all that bad stuff so he can be king. Here's why...

"I never wanted the Throne, I only wanted to be your equal." That line is delivered when the jig is up, no need to lie anymore, and Loki is pretty enraged. So I think we'd both agree that it is truth, no? If so, that would indicate that up until that day, he was more interested in everyone (including Odin and Frigga) considering him Thor's equal, even if he wasn't king. The introduction of the truth of Loki's parentage is what causes him to snap, and take the throne for himself, so he can continue to hide, and even try to erase, the fact that he is not Asgardian but from a race of monsters. Selfish yes, definitely, but one can see why a character may snap, and want to do anything and everything to hide the truth, under such circumstances.

It is a combination of need of approval AND the selfish desire to be ruler AND a strong desire to hide this horrible truth about his parentage that drives him in the first film. MCU Loki is a bit more complicated than "Oh, he's just pure evil" there is other stuff going on in that bag of cats of a brain of his and it really surprises me when people dont see it when it is so clearly there. As The Other says, "Your ambition is little, and full of childish need." Children, as much as food, shelter, clothing and all that good stuff need their parents approval and love, something which * in Loki's mind * he didnt have nearly enough of and was still struggling for 1000 years after he was picked up on Jotunheim.

I actually do agree with you that the "I could have done it for you father" has sort of a manipulative edge to it, with the way he delivers the line. But there is at least some truth to it, as evidenced by the Other's "childish need" line in Avengers, and "Is that what Agard need of it's king?" which you would probably say was more lying but I think was a genuine feeling that Thor was absolultey inappropriate to be king (which, up until then Thor was) and that Loki felt he could do a better job. But, basically I think the "I could have done it" line is manipulative, with a hint of truth, but is just more of a, "uh-oh, I'm in trouble, I better use the puppy dog eyes and tears, that gets him every time..." thing.

BTW, where was the bar scene in Avengers with the Other and the Chitauri where Loki is drunk and whining about how Odin never loved him as much as Thor, and how he should have been made King of Asgard? LOL Would have been priceless. LOL




YES. YES. YES! He's a "master magician" where the hell has all the magic been?!




Yes Loki did say that in Thor 1.

Yes, but let me point out how he fought the Frost Giants hand to hand and lost his eye to Laufey in the process. He doesn't seem to be nearly as powerful as he is in the comics, or he's been REALLY holding back for some reason yet to be revealed. Again they may have scaled back the power on some of these characters due to the old "if you show him/her being too powerful then nothing will ever be a believable challenge to him/her" problem.
I suppose, I mean, there may have been some sincerity in it. That may have been the case growing up through out the years. It seemed he was talking about it as a whole. From the point of Thor 1, I would say his primary goal was to get the throne.

and for Odin. As I believe, Odin didn't have the Odinforce until he lost his eye. The Odinforce is Odin's full power. I would be willing to think that Odin didn't have the Odinforce at the time. Remember, loki DID say, as we mentioned that Odin is the most powerful being in the 9 realms. That has been said. We know how powerful Thor is. So by statement, Odin has to be far more powerful. Remember, he still did speak an enchantment into the hammer. He also stripped thor of all his powers and turned him into a mortal. That's pretty damn powerful.

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Here's a story about the theft of the Avengers script: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/0...uel-l-jackson/

What dialogue is in the pictures appears to be pretty much the same as what was in the film.

If they rewrite anything in Thor2, I doubt it will change any significant plot details. Here's why: they are at least halfway through shooting now. Films generally do not shoot scenes in the order in which they appear in the film. So they probably have shot some scenes already that come after Frigga's purported demise. If they were to rewrite that pivotal scene, they would also have to reshoot any already filmed scenes that appear downstream of that scene. That's wasted money and a slipped schedule. It's hard to imagine a scenario in which the cost of the "spoiled surprise" would outweigh the cost of those two factors.

This business of a stuntman deliberately leaking details apparently at the studio's behest does not have a precedent in Thor1. The only leaks for that film appear to be versions of the script. For the most part, the details of those various "spoiler" posts that I have read seem to agree with what was actually in the film. There was one script summary (which, unfortunately, I can't find right now) that listed Jane as being Erik's PhD student, rather than an independent researcher. But I had heard that Portman and . . . someone else whose name escapes me just now had advocated for that change. So that change probably wasn't prompted by the leak either.

It's also possible that Lawden was dispatched to issue red herrings. But it's harder to maintain subterfuge than to tell the truth or to keep silent, especially when several people have to act in concert. So that seems less likely also.

That's what I am thinking. Same thing with the Crossbones in Avengers 2 rumor

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The leaks being a red herring... I don´t know, why would Marvel do that? It´s a little too early for a marketing gag... :/

But still gives hope, that Frigga may make it through the movie after all.

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Walt Simonson run... Loki gets defeated quite easily by Thor:



The story is: Thor wants Loki to take back a certain spell. So Thor just rushes in, grabs Loki, beats him up, destroys some illusions cast by Loki with ease, grabs him by the throat and throws Mjolnir very far away (so that when Mjolnir comes back into Thor's hand, it will automatically meet Loki's head). In the next panels, you see Loki surrendering and doing as Thor wishes.

You see, defeating Loki can be very easy if he isn't prepared. That's why I have no problem with the Hulk/Loki scene in the movie. At that point, Loki had already taken repulsor damage from Iron Man, got beaten up by Thor, he had Hawkeye's arrow exploded in his face, and the Hulk surprisingly tackled him. He was very weakend and very confused, and still believed he was in control... his arrogance made him believe that the Hulk is only a primitive animal. So Hulk could beat him down easily. Makes perfect sense to me.

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The leaks being a red herring... I don´t know, why would Marvel do that? It´s a little too early for a marketing gag... :/

But still gives hope, that Frigga may make it through the movie after all.
I can't recall specifics but it seems to me over the years I've heard of studios putting out false rumors for particularly big shows or films to keep the fans occupied/distracted. This may be wishful thinking on my part though, admittedly...

And "serpent of Asgard?" Really Thor, your brother is trying to hook you up with several HOT red heads and this is the thanks he gets?!?!?

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I can't recall specifics but it seems to me over the years I've heard of studios putting out false rumors for particularly big shows or films to keep the fans occupied/distracted. This may be wishful thinking on my part though, admittedly...

And "serpent of Asgard?" Really Thor, your brother is trying to hook you up with several HOT red heads and this is the thanks he gets?!?!?
Thor can tap any Asgardian tang when ever he feels like it. Why would he care about being hooked up with Loki's skags.

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Here's to still hoping that they take the time to actually address in full detail on how the whole thing regarding Odin using Dark Magic to send Thor back to Earth came about.

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Here's to still hoping that they take the time to actually address in full detail on how the whole thing regarding Odin using Dark Magic to send Thor back to Earth came about.
I was thinking of this, but maybe Thor himself was able to create enough power using Mjlonir and his limited knowledge of magic to create his own temporary portal to Earth?

I have to be selfish here, but I'm hoping that the rumors of Frigga dying are untrue, or at the very least if it is true reworked so that she survives. This is mostly because while listening to some Skyrim music I formed in my head a grain of an idea directly involving Loki and an irrevocable turn towards the darkness that would be hard to commit to in a fanfiction is she expires in this movie.

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Maybe Loki was wrong about that, anyway. He was just speculating, and Thor neither confirmed nor denied.

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3 additions to the IMDB cast listing for Thor 2

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So, the uh... "student" is a really gorgeous young woman with blue eyes and long blonde hair. Hm.... FMI: http://www.chlartists.com/alysonandrews.html

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I have to be selfish here, but I'm hoping that the rumors of Frigga dying are untrue, or at the very least if it is true reworked so that she survives. This is mostly because while listening to some Skyrim music I formed in my head a grain of an idea directly involving Loki and an irrevocable turn towards the darkness that would be hard to commit to in a fanfiction is she expires in this movie.
Write it anyway, and include a preface saying you had this idea before this development became known/confirmed. All the fanfics are necessarily slightly off from MCU continuity anyway, since they concern stories that aren't the actual scripts.

Besides, people think that Coulson still lives, so why not Frigga?

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Could be! Like herolee10, I hope they address how Thor got to Earth in The Avengers.

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I was thinking of this, but maybe Thor himself was able to create enough power using Mjlonir and his limited knowledge of magic to create his own temporary portal to Earth?
Possible, but less likely imo, since he doesn't use that power at any other time in the film.

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Write it anyway, and include a preface saying you had this idea before this development became known/confirmed. All the fanfics are necessarily slightly off from MCU continuity anyway, since they concern stories that aren't the actual scripts.

Besides, people think that Coulson still lives, so why not Frigga?

We don't just think Coulson lives, we know it.


On topic, I hope reports of Frigga's death are greatly exaggerated. In a worst case scenario, she could be revived by Odin (as he did for Thor) or end up in Valhalla or Freyja's Field (Folkvangr). The realms of the dead don't necessarily have to follow the rules of Norse mythology in the MCU, so anything is possible. Whatever they do, it will be a waste to kill Frigga without giving her meaningful scenes with her son. (The deleted scenes don't count.)

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Here's to still hoping that they take the time to actually address in full detail on how the whole thing regarding Odin using Dark Magic to send Thor back to Earth came about.

Loki didn't say it was dark magic, but dark energy that Odin used. I'd like an explanation of that, too, since is made it clear that Odin has technology at his disposal that is far more advanced than that of Earth. We can't even detect dark energy, much less harness it. Stark and Banner would be all over that if they knew about it.

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3 additions to the IMDB cast listing for Thor 2

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Glen Stanway - Desk Officer
Justin Gibson - Celtic musician (1 of 2 listed so far)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1981115/fullcredits#cast

So, the uh... "student" is a really gorgeous young woman with blue eyes and long blonde hair. Hm.... FMI: http://www.chlartists.com/alysonandrews.html
Sounds like Selvig and/or Jane are teaching college in London.

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We don't just think Coulson lives, we know it.
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Seriously! As I understand, Balder was dead and in Hel at one point (without triggering the Ragnarok) and came back. And (Simonson run) Thor marched an army down to Hel to spring a couple of humans. So in TDW, why can't they raise their army, take it to Svartalfheim, and then march on down to Hel (or wherever) to get Frigga?

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Amen to that. (Though I would amend it to call for meaningful scenes with both her sons.)

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That would be cool!

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could be. That would certainly explain them being there.

RE: the waterfall in Iceland used. I recall a while back seeing a documentary talking about certain caves and waterfalls being a doorway to the underworld in old mythologies. So I'm thinking that may be how that Icelantic waterfall will be used... possibly.

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Write it anyway, and include a preface saying you had this idea before this development became known/confirmed. All the fanfics are necessarily slightly off from MCU continuity anyway, since they concern stories that aren't the actual scripts.

Besides, people think that Coulson still lives, so why not Frigga?
I will try to write it but I am a continuity stickler and it would bother me to be slightly inaccurate.

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and for Odin. As I believe, Odin didn't have the Odinforce until he lost his eye. The Odinforce is Odin's full power. I would be willing to think that Odin didn't have the Odinforce at the time. Remember, loki DID say, as we mentioned that Odin is the most powerful being in the 9 realms. That has been said. We know how powerful Thor is. So by statement, Odin has to be far more powerful. Remember, he still did speak an enchantment into the hammer. He also stripped thor of all his powers and turned him into a mortal. That's pretty damn powerful.
RE the Odinforce, so when does Odin get that in comics? because I read somewhere speculation that Thor would inherit the Odinforce, and so I just sort of assumed that it was something that was inherited with the death of the old King, and so Odin would have had that all along.

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RE the Odinforce, so when does Odin get that in comics? because I read somewhere speculation that Thor would inherit the Odinforce, and so I just sort of assumed that it was something that was inherited with the death of the old King, and so Odin would have had that all along.
Nope. The Odinforce isn't something passed down from king to king. It was Odin's power. Odin was powerful before it, but not nearly as much. Here is what happens (it actually gets revealed in the Simonson run when Surtur attacks)

Long ago, way before thor was even born, Odin and his brothers tried to take down Surtur after defeating thr frost giant Ymir. Odin asks Surtur if he will one day actually destroy the 9 realms, to which surtur says yes with the eternal flame and twilight (which forshadowed what would ultimately start to happen in the simonson arc)

ANYWAY they battled surtur and for 3 months i think it was they joined together as one to fight surtur, but they still couldn't do it but they were able to break Surtur's sword. Stopping Surtur from at the time, destroying the 9 realms. SO

Odin opens the portal to the 9 worlds but his brothers don't go, and they say that if they go, surtur will follow them, Surtur gets up and blasts Odin, knocking Odin out of muspelheim. KO'ing him as well. When Odin awakes, all is gone. His brothers he knew were dead, but that combined power of all 3 of them was still their, and that power went to Odin, which would then become the Odinforce.

And that is how the Odinforce was created. So the Odinforce was created for odin, basically is the combined power of him and his 3 brothers.

Not something passed down from king to king. It is..Odin's force, if you will. His power.

When Odin died, Thor his son inheirits the Odinforce because he is his son.

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Okay, got it. Thank you!

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