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Old 09-13-2017, 01:15 PM   #151
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Oh, and it looks like Flynn is betting on a pardon, ignoring congressional subpoenas.

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Old 09-13-2017, 01:39 PM   #152
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That, or he's already proffered his deal for a reduced sentence in exchange for information valuable to Mueller's investigation.

If Trump tries to pardon Flynn, I'd say all hell breaks loose.

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Old 09-13-2017, 01:54 PM   #153
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I'd say that Trump can't pardon Flynn, but Trump was able to pardon that racist sheriff and got away with it

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The SM stuff probably will be key to making some kind of case for coordination between the campaign and Russian Intel. Russia had the capabilities but I think it takes some on the ground political and cultural knowledge to know how to leverage those resources.

As for Flynn, as of now I think that he has not officially flipped and may be waiting on a pardon. Thus the news that the investigation is now brining in his former head of staff and son (Mr. Let's Tweet A Conspiracy Theory That Gets A Pizza Place Shot Up) to look into Flynn's lobbying for foreign governments like Russia and Turkey.

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Oh, and it looks like Flynn is betting on a pardon, ignoring congressional subpoenas.
Wouldn't such a pardon be considered an obstruction of justice since it relates to an investigation?

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Old 09-13-2017, 02:56 PM   #156
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Any Mueller investigation related pardons will blow up Washington in ways we cannot begin to predict. It would flip a lot of people I think from just going with the flow and hoping the other shoe doesn't drop to outright open rebellion in the GOP, hell maybe even a big slice of the rank and file. How that would shake out, how the SCOTUS comes into play etc... Who knows? But Trump handing out pardons to those under investigation now would be a political nuclear bomb I think. Given how dumb the man is though I won't act surprised if he unilaterally decides to do it.

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I'd say that Trump can't pardon Flynn, but Trump was able to pardon that racist sheriff and got away with it
Technically he could pardon Flynn. The President can pardon anyone for anything except impeachment, and at any time in the legal proceeding. But the optics on that would be terrible for him especially given that the story that was given for his firing was that it was because he lied to Pence. Now you're going to come out and pardon the guy who lied to the VP just 6 months ago? Trump might as well just stamp "I'm hiding something!" on the pardon.

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Old 09-13-2017, 03:15 PM   #158
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Any Mueller investigation related pardons will blow up Washington in ways we cannot begin to predict. It would flip a lot of people I think from just going with the flow and hoping the other shoe doesn't drop to outright open rebellion in the GOP, hell maybe even a big slice of the rank and file. How that would shake out, how the SCOTUS comes into play etc... Who knows? But Trump handing out pardons to those under investigation now would be a political nuclear bomb I think. Given how dumb the man is though I won't act surprised if he unilaterally decides to do it.


And it would probably result in Trump being the last president that has cart blanche pardon power.

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Old 09-13-2017, 03:44 PM   #159
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I'll never understand why they bother having politicians or aides testify before Congress. They'll never admit to anything and either give answers such as "I don't recall", "I was not aware", or dance around the question with politically correct answers without answering anything.

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Old 09-13-2017, 04:21 PM   #160
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Technically he could pardon Flynn. The President can pardon anyone for anything except impeachment, and at any time in the legal proceeding. But the optics on that would be terrible for him especially given that the story that was given for his firing was that it was because he lied to Pence. Now you're going to come out and pardon the guy who lied to the VP just 6 months ago? Trump might as well just stamp "I'm hiding something!" on the pardon.
That's not 100% true if my understanding of it is correct. The President can only pardon federal crimes, not state crimes. Could be wrong though, I'm sure Matt can clarify.

Either way though, just like Marv said, there will be a major s*** storm if he does pardon people involved in this investigation. I would dare say the constitution could be amended to limit restrictions on presidential pardons to keep this from happening in the future.

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The fact that this man was elected in the first place is just mind bogglingly ridiculous. All the time I keep wishing or expecting to be told that we're being punked honestly.

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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/9...82808593281029

"Trump administration orders purge of Kaspersky products from U.S. government".

This is good, but suspicious, since he's trying to purge his connections to Russia. Now you know he's really scared about the investigation.


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Old 09-13-2017, 05:04 PM   #163
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The fact that this man was elected in the first place is just mind bogglingly ridiculous. All the time I keep wishing or expecting to be told that we're being punked honestly.
I really wish I could wake up from this nightmare.

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I really wish I could wake up from this nightmare.
I often wonder if we could build a time machine and go back to the past to when the Apprentice was huge. We run into some people and say "Hey, 16 years from now THIS MAN will be President of the United States". I wonder how many people would believe us?

Every single day I am just waiting for him to be completely impeached or just resign. I didn't care for Bush but at least it wasn't surreal seeing him in the Oval Office or coming off of Air Force One.

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Associated Press - The Latest: Trump, top Democrats agree on young immigrants

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The top House and Senate Democrats have announced agreement with President Donald Trump to protect certain immigrants brought illegally to this country as children — along with some border security enhancements.

The agreement would specifically not include Trump’s long-sought border wall. It would enshrine protections for the nearly 800,000 immigrants who benefited from a program created by former President Barack Obama that Trump has announced he is ending.

The agreement was announced in a joint statement from House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York, following a dinner the pair had with Trump at the White House.

It marks the second time in two weeks that Trump has bypassed Republicans to deal with Pelosi and Schumer.
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Old 09-13-2017, 09:30 PM   #166
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Now, the question is will Ryan and McConnell attempt to fight the president on this.

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For Ryan, the would-be-immigration-reformer, I don't think he'd fight Trump on this, as much as try to wrangle a way to avoid fallout on himself and the Republican Party by doing something sneaky with the bill. If Trump's forcing the GOP Congress to face the potential firestorm of an immigration debate while Trump himself is backing what's likely to be a very merciful and welcoming plan from the Democrats, I think Ryan would come down on what's going to be both a) the right side of the issue historically speaking, and b) the side he probably personally supports, if for no other reason than it seems he's going to have enemies in the Tea Partiers anyhow, so it's better to be hung for a ram than a lamb.

Or someone with a smidgen of a heart rather than a panicky sociopath.

Now, I do wonder if he might try some ways to attempt a spin or some games to put pressure back on Trump. It's almost certainly an impossibility, but what if he tried to attach some of the bipartisan immigration reform that he supported years ago to the Democrats DACA plan and tried to play chicken with Trump?

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That is an unhealthy level of salt, Sean.

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Looking forward to Pelosi and Schumer's new book:

Art of the Deal: The Master Becomes The Apprentice

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I admit a certain amount of schadenfreude watching the GOP cannibalize itself over Trump making deals with democrats. It's a giant ecosystem of cognitive dissonance.

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She's an angry little girl with obnoxiously loud opinions and no actual life experience. No one cares what she has to say, her audience just likes looking at her.

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