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Old 07-11-2007, 05:00 AM   #51
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I think it's great if they are brothers. The script said that and it's obvious what the director wanted or it wouldn't have been said. It makes it a great story if you ask me. Brother against brother, awesome.

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Old 07-11-2007, 06:56 AM   #52
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I think it's great if they are brothers. The script said that and it's obvious what the director wanted or it wouldn't have been said. It makes it a great story if you ask me. Brother against brother, awesome.
Well the director actually changed it (or someone did in post w/e) to be far more ambiguous. So as to not be taken literally.

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Old 07-11-2007, 07:41 AM   #53
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You can only assume they don't mean it as brothers anymore, assumption can only go so far. If they intended that from the beginning and then he says ''Brother'' in the movie then it's starting to lead more to him being his brother instead of the other way around. Until the Director says the real deal we won't know for sure. It is leading more on the real brother side though considering what he said in the movie and what the original script was, all I am saying.

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Old 07-11-2007, 08:23 AM   #54
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The term "brother" should be taken with a grain of salt. Just like some cultures on Earth people refer to close relatives ( cousins ) as "brother".
I refer to most people I talk/argue and bicker with here on this site as bro.

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Old 07-11-2007, 08:37 AM   #55
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I just realised something after viewing the movie for a third time; Prime did not want to kill Megatron.

Megatron was clearly standing directly over Sam, and Prime, rather than telling Sam to shove the Allspark into Megatrons chest, shouts "Shove the cube into 'MY' Chest, NOW!"...

When sam shoved it into Megatron's chest, Prime screams out "No Sam!"

When Megatron died Prime showed remorse towards Megatrons death, and eventhough it's hard to make the distinction between true brothera and just fellow Cybertronian by Primes speech, it can infact be taken literally.

Why would Prime scream 'No' to Sam, and rather have the cube shoved into his own chest? I would say that Prime doesn't take lives no matter how evil they are, but then i remembered how callously he owned Bonecrushers ass on the freeway.

My conclusion is, Prime didn't want Megatron to die. Why? Because they might really be brothers, in the literal sense.

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1) Prime knew the All Spark would 100% destroy him. The plan would be for Prime to become a suicide bomber and grab Megatron, taking the both of them out in the resulting explosion. Prime freaked because there was no guarantee that Megatron would be destroyed in the resulting explosion since he's larger than Prime and may be able to handle the sudden influx of energy. This is illustrated by the remaining All Spark shard in my eyes -- meaning, it's possible for Megatron to return in the sequel.

I see others pointing out Prime's plan made no sense. Again, as I see it, he didn't plan to just blow himself and the cube up, but rather something like the above scenario.

The reason he didn't suggest it to Sam in the first place is because the All Spark needed to be placed INSIDE of Megatron. Prime would be too busy fighting for his life to try and make an opening in Megatron and then shove the cube in. It was possible because of the F22s equipped with Sabot rounds which caused some major wounds. Prime was too weak to shove the cube himiself, and feared for Sam's safety.

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Old 07-11-2007, 08:44 AM   #56
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Lol I guess that means the Desmond from Lost must think everyone on the island is his brother

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Old 07-11-2007, 08:59 AM   #57
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that at one time OP and Megatron were very close friends until Megs decided he wanted to be high mucky-muck or whatever and started the war on Cybertron. It would be understandable for OP to consider Megs his brother if they had been very close friends at one time. Just a thought.

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Old 07-11-2007, 09:10 AM   #58
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I just realised something after viewing the movie for a third time; Prime did not want to kill Megatron.

Megatron was clearly standing directly over Sam, and Prime, rather than telling Sam to shove the Allspark into Megatrons chest, shouts "Shove the cube into 'MY' Chest, NOW!"...

When sam shoved it into Megatron's chest, Prime screams out "No Sam!"

When Megatron died Prime showed remorse towards Megatrons death, and eventhough it's hard to make the distinction between true brothera and just fellow Cybertronian by Primes speech, it can infact be taken literally.

Why would Prime scream 'No' to Sam, and rather have the cube shoved into his own chest? I would say that Prime doesn't take lives no matter how evil they are, but then i remembered how callously he owned Bonecrushers ass on the freeway.

My conclusion is, Prime didn't want Megatron to die. Why? Because they might really be brothers, in the literal sense.

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He meant brother as in brother in arms. If they were real brothers I think Prime would have said something when he first mentioned Megatron to Sam and Mikaela. Prime is just very honorable and would rather die than cause death to end the war. Think of it like Batman and Joker, no matter how much messed up **** the Joker does, Batman will never break his morals and kill him.

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Old 07-11-2007, 05:52 PM   #59
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Wait, was it the plan to destroy the cube whether or not Megs awoke from cyro-freeze? I think the only reason that Prime wanted the cube shoved into his chest was because Megs had awoken. At the point Prime where the Autobots spoke at the observatory, they didn't know where Megatron was or if he would be awoken. It Was it their plan to keep it and rebuilt Cybertron right?

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Old 07-11-2007, 06:08 PM   #60
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Yes most likely they just figured that since Starscream and the rest of deceps probably knew where Megs was that they needed to stop him from getting it at all costs. I also thought it talked about Prime and Megs being bros in the prequel comic as well. Hmm... I'll have to look it up.

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Old 07-11-2007, 06:27 PM   #61
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As far as I understand, Prime didn't want Sam shoving the Allspark into Megatron because who knows if Sam would have been successful. During Sam's attempt, Megs could have easily just swiped it away from Sam and at that point have the Allspark all to himself. It was extremely risky to use it against Megs and most likely a one in a million shot(considering Megs was moving around and fighting at the same time).

The original plan for Prime and the other autobots was to recover the Allspark and use it to restore Cybertron. It was only when all hell broke loose and when the autobots were at their most desperate hour at the end that Prime realized the best route to go was to sacrifice himself to the Allspark destroying the Allspark in the process.

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Old 07-11-2007, 11:52 PM   #62
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in the video game, theres a sequence where jazz says something like "megatron is optimus prime's brother? how did he end up like that?"

so i guess they are brothers. i dont mind, but i just wanna know how they are brothers? i bet there's like 2 ways to be born if ur a transformer. either the allspark, or transformers sex. lol.

i wonder if ultra magnus will show up. will he also be his brother? maybe optimus' twin, while megatron is optimus' older brother.

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Old 07-11-2007, 11:57 PM   #63
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In the script, IIRC, they were in fact literal brothers, with one of the Autobots asking if Prime could really kill his own brother. I'm happy they took that out, personally.
Your right.......that was in some of the early leeked script's!!!It is also mentions in the comic book ver- of the film

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that at one time OP and Megatron were very close friends until Megs decided he wanted to be high mucky-muck or whatever and started the war on Cybertron. It would be understandable for OP to consider Megs his brother if they had been very close friends at one time. Just a thought.

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Thats in the back story of this film ...........Both Megatron and Prime were co-leaders of Cybertron but that wasnt enough for Meg's and he slowly build an army so that he could have the allspark for his own and you know the rest!

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that at one time OP and Megatron were very close friends until Megs decided he wanted to be high mucky-muck or whatever and started the war on Cybertron. It would be understandable for OP to consider Megs his brother if they had been very close friends at one time. Just a thought.

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I made a story in my head that showed Megatron turning on Prime and everything but I don't want to post the story.

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I made a story in my head that showed Megatron turning on Prime and everything but I don't want to post the story.
That's what www.fanfiction.net is for. And truth be told, I've got a one shot in the works.

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maybe Op and Megs were both created at the same time, therefore, in a sense, they can be considered brothers.

in G1 Sideswipe and Sunstreaker were also called brothers.



and btw, Op said "No SAM" because he feared for Sam's safety, and maybe because he didn't know exactly what would happen.

remember when OP originally told the autobots of his plan, and Ratchet said something like " we don't know what that will do, it could destroy you".

he did not say "no sam" because he didn't want megs to die, he was willing to let bumblebee die at the hands of the humans in the interest of the greater good (although i think he felt the humans wouldn't kill BB), why would he feel any differently about Megatron? even if Megs was his brother, Prime was still committed to saving earth and destroying the allspark. this is the obvious answer in my mind.

and furthermore, destroying the allspark was not Prime's original plan, they had intended on using its power to restore Cybertron. remember what OP said to sam. "If i cannot defeat megatron, you must put the allspark in my chest." it was not the original plan, but a last ditch "plan B" to keep Megatron from using the Allspark for his own purposes. also remember Prime's dialogue at the end. " With the allspark gone, we can not revive Cybertron, but we have found a new home here on earth..."

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Prime didn't call Bonecrusher "brother" or show any remorse to killing him, just wacked him off... I really like the idea that they (OP and Megatron) were created by the same spark. Would also explain why they actually bothered to speak before their battle, unlike all the other battles...

By the way, Optimus should have got some more hits in, maybe even hitting him as Starscream's/F22's missiles strike - Think about it, when Megatron comes back to reclaim the leadership from SS and wants to kill him, SS has an excuse, "But Prime hit you into the path of the rockets" (hint hint - Prime hit you, you loser!!!)!


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Optimus Prime would rather he die for his cause than others. Also, he probably saw a lot of death on Cybertron. So he might be adverse to just killing the other side and have his own people tear each other apart over just a little difference like eye color.

That would also play on the fact that he calls him brother in the sense of brotherhood among giant robots that transform into overpriced cars.

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Is the jury still out on wether or not it's possible for a Cybertron female to give birth? It sounds kind of crazy, but you never know in a world where Xboxes can turn into killer robots by getting bumped with a giant Rubik's cube. I wonder if it's possible that Optimus Prime and Megatron didn't get their sparks from the Allspark at all. Being carried by a physical mother is one possibility, even if it seems a little out there.

Still, if you don't want to delve into the birds and the bees of Cyberton, it's possible that it's as some suggested, that Prime and Megatron were somehow "born" of the same spark, hence they are "brothers."

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In the script, IIRC, they were in fact literal brothers, with one of the Autobots asking if Prime could really kill his own brother. I'm happy they took that out, personally.

Just out of curiosity, what was Prime's reply?

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no.

but can anyone confirm that if OP said to Megatron :"You left me with no choice, brother." ?
It's just like how gangsters from the same gang (in the US) call each other "brother". They're not really brothers, they just consider each other "a big family" and since they are from around the same place, they call each other so. Just like how Megatron and Prime used to be leaders of Cybertron and ruled together fairly, they were good partners. It's really simple...

"Would you kill a brother to do what is best?"
"If I must."

That's probably something like that in the script. It still fits with what I just explained.

And Timstuff, Cybertronian robots aren't born like humans, but out of the Allspark, like shown in the movie. It's just an old stereotype to put a female alien amongst the other male ones to appeal to the public. Just like how in Starcraft, Blizzard made a Protoss female to go alongside the male ones, even though they do not reproduce like us.

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As far as I understand, Prime didn't want Sam shoving the Allspark into Megatron because who knows if Sam would have been successful. During Sam's attempt, Megs could have easily just swiped it away from Sam and at that point have the Allspark all to himself. It was extremely risky to use it against Megs and most likely a one in a million shot(considering Megs was moving around and fighting at the same time).

The original plan for Prime and the other autobots was to recover the Allspark and use it to restore Cybertron. It was only when all hell broke loose and when the autobots were at their most desperate hour at the end that Prime realized the best route to go was to sacrifice himself to the Allspark destroying the Allspark in the process.
But before the Autobots knew were Megatron was, Prime said to the Autobots after Bumblebee was captured that he will destroy the Allspark.

IMO, their original plan was to retrieve it, but, when they saw how much pain it was causing the humans and once they knew the Decepticons were there, Prime wanted to destroy it rather than let it fall into the wrong hands.

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Yeah, but you still have to take into consideration that if Prime destroyed himself, Megatron would still be alive & considering how powerful Megatron was, he would've easily destroyed Earth without a second thought.

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Yeah, but you still have to take into consideration that if Prime destroyed himself, Megatron would still be alive & considering how powerful Megatron was, he would've easily destroyed Earth without a second thought.
Maybe so but Prime would not have only been worried about Earth.If Megatron got his hands on the cube all of the Universe could have been at risk.Megatron would have been unstopable.Primes plan was still the best plan for saving all life in the universe not just earth.

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