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View Poll Results: What Will Cyclops' Fate Be In X3?
Dies At Alkali Lake 280 49.73%
Never Faces A Life-Threatening Situation 14 2.49%
Supposedly Dies Early But Returns In The Final Battle 223 39.61%
Dies In The Final Battle 18 3.20%
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Old 06-04-2006, 03:03 AM   #25301
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The more I think about this. The more angry I am at Singer, then these guys. Jackman wasn't that well known before X1, so it's not as if his star power was overwhelming then. And yet X1 was clearly written with Wolverine to supplant Cyclops. One thing I have to agree with the writers on - the message that Wolverine would be more important than Cyclops was put forth at the beginning.
I disagree. You could have EASILY made this franchise focus on a DIFFERENT central character in each movie... Singer's failure was not in X1. It was in X2, when he decided to keep Wolverine as the only star, the only character that matters. He could've put Wolverine in a supporting, secondary plot and had the story focus on Storm or Cyke or Jean or whoever, but he didn't. And by doing that in X2, THAT'S what laid the groundwork for the films we now know as Wolverine, W2: Wolverine United and Wolverine: The Last Stand.

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Old 06-04-2006, 03:04 AM   #25302
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Why are you guys blaming Singer for the Cyclops mess in X3? They gave storm a bigger role didn't they?

If you read what Zak said you'll see that Cyclops was not evening going to be in the freaking movie to begin with until they fought to get him in.

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Old 06-04-2006, 03:09 AM   #25303
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... until they fought to get him in.
...only to kill him off.

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LOL! yeah. Wolverine would get pwned.
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Old 06-04-2006, 03:24 AM   #25305
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Why are you guys blaming Singer for the Cyclops mess in X3? They gave storm a bigger role didn't they?

If you read what Zak said you'll see that Cyclops was not evening going to be in the freaking movie to begin with until they fought to get him in.
I'm not sure which was the better option - killing him or keeping him entirely out.

However, yeah, the studio heads are definitely the ones to blame at the end of the day.

But do I believe that, if Singer had done X3, Cyke would've had a prominent role (even if it was secondary to Wolvie)? Absolutely.

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Old 06-04-2006, 04:42 AM   #25306
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Why cant these people see the problem with this film should not have been we have to pick Wolverine over Cyclops. Since when hasn't the dynamic between Cyclops and Wolverine worked? Why was it a choice!!!!!! Cyclops the leader, Wolverine the Rebel. His reasons of cyke not being in the film cos wolverine is just too popular does not hold up at all. Its pathetic in a team film, with his own movie on its way Wolverine was the Xmen with a splash of Storm for Halle's star power

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Why are you guys blaming Singer for the Cyclops mess in X3? They gave storm a bigger role didn't they?

If you read what Zak said you'll see that Cyclops was not evening going to be in the freaking movie to begin with until they fought to get him in.
Exactly. In Singer's version of X3 we probably would've had:
1. Storm on sabbatical to explain her absence from the film.
2. Storm recast.
3. Halle's Storm at the very least significantly reduced.

We definitely wouldn't have had X-Men: The Halle Berry Show and we would've gotten the long awaited Scott and Jean film. Singer has never stated that he wanted to showcase Storm or Wolverine(again) but he has indicated that he wanted to finally let Scott shine. So Zak's theory that Cyclops would be screwed again anyway shouldn't be taken as the gospel. If Fox wanted to make Wolverine the star yet again (which is understandable considering the character's popularity) I think Singer would've fought much harder than Zak and Simon (and had more clout) for Cyclops.

Hugh's star power can't be used as an excuse as to why he was showcased in X1 because it was non-existent at that time but he did become the breakout star and that's why he was pushed to the front in X2. If Marsden had received the same hype coming out of the first film, Fox probably wouldn't have had a problem giving him more screentime in X2. Of course if that had happened I wonder if they'd be so quick to screw him over in X3 because he'd dared to work for #1 on their ***** List.
Marsden WAS royally screwed over not necessarily because he took a job with a rival franchise but because he went to work for Singer. You'd have to be in total denial not to accept that by now.

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I disagree. You could have EASILY made this franchise focus on a DIFFERENT central character in each movie... Singer's failure was not in X1. It was in X2, when he decided to keep Wolverine as the only star, the only character that matters. He could've put Wolverine in a supporting, secondary plot and had the story focus on Storm or Cyke or Jean or whoever, but he didn't. And by doing that in X2, THAT'S what laid the groundwork for the films we now know as Wolverine, W2: Wolverine United and Wolverine: The Last Stand.
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I only demanded one thing thing from this movie (which I like to call Wolverine and his Amazing Friends 3) after they killed of Scott. The final scene, the one after the credits, it was a shocker, but it was done for the wrong character.

Final scene, it's dark, we just see a dark shape.
Two red eyes start glowing and red fills the screen.
Fade away.

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From Zak Penn's latest answer at the Xverse:

* I think we should have spent more time dealing with what happened to Scott. Forget disrespectful, it was not great storytelling. As I said, we did not win every fight. But my name's on the script, so it's my responsibility.
Blame it on whoever. I bet they could have slipped a tear or sentence about Scott now and then into the script.

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Old 06-04-2006, 12:46 PM   #25313
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So I was just looking over that scene where Scott gets knocked on his back.
You know, those jeans are pretty tight. You can tell Jean was a very lucky woman.
lol two of my friends who seen the movie started whispering how big his bulge looked during the movie.

**SIGH** after reading those interviews...james seems like such a top guy.

I want to meet him and tell him how much support he had...because i think he thinks people dont care about cyclops.

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I want to meet him and tell him how much support he had...because i think he think people dont care about cyclops.
Ditto. Is there no way to contact him? (Where's Retro when you need him...)

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I thought Zak would fall on his sword for Fox and take the blame for Marsden's bludgeoning. Guess not.

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that's lame.. it's not like killing Cyke off was the only option they had. -_-;

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Blame it on whoever. I bet they could have slipped a tear or sentence about Scott now and then into the script.
They did do THAT much. Xavier's line to Jean, Logan's monologue to the kids about what "Scott and the Professor" stood for.

I still laugh bitterly every time I think about Halle Berry's insincere, hollow "No!" when Logan announces Scott's death.

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that's lame.. it's not like killing Cyke off was the only option they had. -_-;
I get the impression it actually IS the only option they had; Penn says he can't and won't go into the studio politics beyond what he says there. I think that pretty much tells us that Fox said "Fine, you can have him in the movie, but he can't live more than 15 minutes."

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Wow. Cyclops never had a chance.

Wow.

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lol two of my friends who seen the movie started whispering how big his bulge looked during the movie.

**SIGH** after reading those interviews...james seems like such a top guy.

I want to meet him and tell him how much support he had...because i think he thinks people dont care about cyclops.
The costume department for X2 gossiped about Marsden's bod.

Marsden's loyalty to the character and the franchise should be applauded.

I believe Ed Limato of ICM is still his agent. You might want to check with him.

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I get the impression it actually IS the only option they had; Penn says he can't and won't go into the studio politics beyond what he says there. I think that pretty much tells us that Fox said "Fine, you can have him in the movie, but he can't live more than 15 minutes."
He also said Scott was not good story telling and it's his fault. He could write him leaving/coma/whatever.

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They did do THAT much. Xavier's line to Jean, Logan's monologue to the kids about what "Scott and the Professor" stood for.
Yeah, you could feel their pain allright. Only not.

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All Fox had to do to make this film the best it could be was to push it into turn around instead of trying to beat Singer to the theatre.

Again, this whole episode is about Rothman's ego, plain and simple.

 
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Some of the other stuff that Zak Penn mentions was "inexplicably cut" between the script and final film stages includes:

- Angel suiting up and joining the team in the final battle, rather than suddenly appearing in San Francisco from the opposite side of the country.

- Jean going into full-on "Phoenix flames" mode.

He also seems to be hinting that Fox wanted Jean and Logan to declare their love for each other, but they fought against that and won.

Moral of the story: Fox blows dogs for quarters.

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Old 06-04-2006, 01:25 PM   #25325
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Well the chances of Scott ever coming back in an X4(if there is one) is next to none. If Fox did'nt want him in 3 I doubt they'd want him in 4. Son's of losers.

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