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Old 06-18-2017, 06:56 PM   #1
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Default Why wasn't Grant Gustin chosen to be in Justic League?

Given that along with Melissa Benoist, who is the definition of perfection as Supergirl, Grant is excellent as the Flash/Barry Allen, so why wouldn't he have been selected for the upcoming film?

Could it have been a scheduling conflict?

As someone who collected EVERY Flash comic and read them when they were released from 1972 through the late 1980s, I think I've got a good handle on the character, and its surprising that WB did not select Grant.

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Old 06-18-2017, 07:00 PM   #2
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Same reason why Tom Welling wasn't chosen to be Superman.

2 different mediums=2 different actors.

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Because the DCEU and CW universes aren't the same.

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Because the DCEU and CW universes aren't the same.
I asked because if someone has already gone through the massive search and expense to find and utilize an actor for a role - who fits it quite well, I might add - then it would benefit those running the DCEU to try to use that actor as well.

The audience would appreciate the contintuity, and the producers would already have someone who fits the role, avoiding concerns if the actor has the right character/personality, etc for it.

A win-win in my estimation.

Scheduling though, that might be an issue.

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Then you have to play with someone elses continuity which is to much of a hassle.

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Then you have to play with someone elses continuity which is to much of a hassle.
Storyline continuity LOL? You mean like the non-existent one in X-Men LOL?

This is the comics; the writers get to basically toss canon to the winds whenever they feel like it.

I just think that it would draw the built-in fanbase from her TV show as they would come out to see the film just for her. The storyline continuity is something else, if that is what you were referring to, if not, my apologies.

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Given that along with Melissa Benoist, who is the definition of perfection as Supergirl, Grant is excellent as the Flash/Barry Allen, so why wouldn't he have been selected for the upcoming film?

Could it have been a scheduling conflict?

As someone who collected EVERY Flash comic and read them when they were released from 1972 through the late 1980s, I think I've got a good handle on the character, and its surprising that WB did not select Grant.
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I asked because if someone has already gone through the massive search and expense to find and utilize an actor for a role - who fits it quite well, I might add - then it would benefit those running the DCEU to try to use that actor as well.

The audience would appreciate the contintuity, and the producers would already have someone who fits the role, avoiding concerns if the actor has the right character/personality, etc for it.

A win-win in my estimation.

Scheduling though, that might be an issue.
Have you been actually paying attention to everything going on with the films and TV shows from WB? Cause... This isn't a new issue and it's not a scheduling issue.

I might add... I like Grant and Melissa well enough but they aren't strong enough actors to carry a film in my view and I'm not the only one to think so. The films and the TV shows of various stripes are right now not connected. But this has been known for years now.

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At the time Zack Snyder didn't feel the tone of the Flash TV show fit his vision of the DCEU. Not grim/dark enough or what-ever. So by extension he didn't want the TV version's actor to be associated with his plans for the movie version.
The irony is while the Flash TV series has gotten darker, judging by the Justice League trailer, the movies seem to be getting ligher. But Ezra Miller is the Flash in the DCEU, so that is that.

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Storyline continuity LOL? You mean like the non-existent one in X-Men LOL?

This is the comics; the writers get to basically toss canon to the winds whenever they feel like it.

I just think that it would draw the built-in fanbase from her TV show as they would come out to see the film just for her. The storyline continuity is something else, if that is what you were referring to, if not, my apologies.
I don't think it's smart to ask people and then mock there responses.

Secondly this is comic book characters adapted for the screen. It's not the same as the actual comic books. Regarding the X-Men series you fo realise they hit the reset button because of east happened in Days of Future Past right?

I love the DCCW but you do realise the fan base for it isn't as large as you think. A lot of the audience that watch these shows are comic book fans anyway. People will most likely not want to pay to go see what they can watch for free.

In any case Primal Slayers answer was spot on. The continuity would be an absolute mess. The tone would also not fit at all, movies and TV are completely different animal.

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Given that along with Melissa Benoist, who is the definition of perfection as Supergirl, Grant is excellent as the Flash/Barry Allen, so why wouldn't he have been selected for the upcoming film?

Could it have been a scheduling conflict?
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As perfect as Grant would have been in Justice League, I'm sure that he doesn't have the time. Even if WB/DC would have wanted the TV and cinematic worlds connected, I can't imagine how Grant would balance a 23-episode season, several crossovers, all of the promotional work of a TV star and juggle several possible movies.

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Old 06-19-2017, 02:43 AM   #11
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Grant Gustin is fine as Flash/Barry Allen and does a good job for a CW show, but as already said, he's not the greatest actor. I also personally don't find him to be a faithful representation of Barry Allen either, as the character on the show is written too mopey.

Melissa Benoist is a better actor, and I genuinely like her as Supergirl, but even that show doesn't really capture a faithful representation of Kara/Supergirl either. I'm actually surprised that the show wasn't created as one of those typical CW "high-school"-esque shows, as that would've invariably ended up with a younger Supergirl, which I would've preferred. Supergirl's always been a teenager in nearly every representation, not a late 20s woman.

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Grant Gustin is fine as Flash/Barry Allen and does a good job for a CW show, but as already said, he's not the greatest actor. I also personally don't find him to be a faithful representation of Barry Allen either, as the character on the show is written too mopey.

Melissa Benoist is a better actor, and I genuinely like her as Supergirl, but even that show doesn't really capture a faithful representation of Kara/Supergirl either. I'm actually surprised that the show wasn't created as one of those typical CW "high-school"-esque shows, as that would've invariably ended up with a younger Supergirl, which I would've preferred. Supergirl's always been a teenager in nearly every representation, not a late 20s woman.
Thing is you're taking faithful adaptions but there are so many different versions anyway. I actually think people need to stop wanting the comic version on screen. What works in a comic won't always work on TV and vice versa.

Look at Superman the Movie, that film was very different from the comics at the time. Krypton never looked like that until that film. So the live action versions can influence the comic books too. Which is exactly what Supergirl's take is doing now. Infact I feel like the TV show is finally the definitive take on a character that has never really had a definitive version. I feel like this is a the version people will talk about for years to come.

Also I know you're talking characterisations but both the shows do take a lot from the comics.

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To be honest, the tone of DCEU films, even WW, are too heavy for the goofiness of the Flash - although this season has been a bit on the heavy side.

I'm happy having separate cinematic and tv universes - don't have to worry about continuity and both can find their own audiences.

I love Gustin, but they need a big movie actor for the role, and Miller has the chops.

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To be honest, the tone of DCEU films, even WW, are too heavy for the goofiness of the Flash - although this season has been a bit on the heavy side.

I'm happy having separate cinematic and tv universes - don't have to worry about continuity and both can find their own audiences.

I love Gustin, but they need a big movie actor for the role, and Miller has the chops.

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As perfect as Grant would have been in Justice League, I'm sure that he doesn't have the time. Even if WB/DC would have wanted the TV and cinematic worlds connected, I can't imagine how Grant would balance a 23-episode season, several crossovers, all of the promotional work of a TV star and juggle several possible movies.
I'm sure he would have made it work. It's the biggest movie he'd probably ever get to do and it would lead to more opportunities acting-wise.
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To be honest, the tone of DCEU films, even WW, are too heavy for the goofiness of the Flash - although this season has been a bit on the heavy side.

I'm happy having separate cinematic and tv universes - don't have to worry about continuity and both can find their own audiences.

I love Gustin, but they need a big movie actor for the role, and Miller has the chops.

Just sayin'
I agree with this.

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CW tv show actors aren't good for big budget films.

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CW tv show actors aren't good for big budget films.
This right here, no reason to say more. It's hard enough to get the GoT actors to carry a successful film and they are leagues ahead of the CW actors.
People who ask this question don't seem to grasp that there are 2 different mediums being discussed.

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This right here, no reason to say more. It's hard enough to get the GoT actors to carry a successful film and they are leagues ahead of the CW actors.
People who ask this question don't seem to grasp that there are 2 different mediums being discussed.
Jason Momoa played Khal Drogo in Game of Thrones. Jason Momoa will play Arthur Curry in the Justice League movie and will star in the Aquaman movie.
Even Melissa Benoist (Supergirl) has had important roles in movies like Patriot's Day, Band of Robbers, and Low Riders, and has gotten critical praise for her performance.

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CW's The Flash is a pretty awful, cheesy TV show. Why would the DCEU want to be associated with it?

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CW's The Flash is a pretty awful, cheesy TV show. Why would the DCEU want to be associated with it?
Kind of ironic for you to say that, considering:

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Doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do =/= cheesiness. I'm not being cynical either; CW Flash has simply not been a high quality show since season 1. The DCEU is trying to be really good even if it hasn't always been successful.

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Jason Momoa played Khal Drogo in Game of Thrones. Jason Momoa will play Arthur Curry in the Justice League movie and will star in the Aquaman movie.
Even Melissa Benoist (Supergirl) has had important roles in movies like Patriot's Day, Band of Robbers, and Low Riders, and has gotten critical praise for her performance.
Valid point - I would actually say any HBO actors could carry a top movie for the most part...especially from GoT..they just don't seem to take big blockbuster roles very often.

And most times they are in the movies, they do well, just the movie it self sucks (terminator).

I'll give some context to my sucks.


In the entire 3 seasons of the flash, I haven't once had a moment where I've felt "Damn, this is the face of Barry Allen" It still feels like "This is a tv show about the flash, and these are the actors portraying the characters"

And keep in mind Im a big fan of the CW shows and can appreciate what they try to do, but I still understand the execution and range of emotion, writing etc, it just isn't there in the CW.

Theirs been like 3-4 actors who have really stood out to me on that show Dolph Lundgren, Matt Ryan, Tom Cavanagh.

All who imo could be a great supporting cast member of any DCEU film, but couldn't carry, (Dolph I do realize is making it in Aquaman.)

The rest - give very unmemorable performances, Grant Gustin doesn't ever feel like he's genuinely struggled, and when has to show these performances, they aren't cringeworthy, but they aren't believable, Amell has the same problem, it's almost like these guys don't get angry in real-life anymore, so they don't know what that emotion actually feels like to portray.

It makes them much better human beings, but hurts their ability to act.

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Because he's not Ezra Miller.

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CW's The Flash is a pretty awful, cheesy TV show. Why would the DCEU want to be associated with it?
Remind me again what the critical reception of the DCEU has looked like, barring the runaway success of Wonder Woman?

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Remind me again what the critical reception of the DCEU has looked like, barring the runaway success of Wonder Woman?
And here we go again with the silly notion that all studios care about is critical reception; they just ignore the billions they've made off these 5 movies.

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