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View Poll Results: Do you like the Donner Films because of Nostalgia?
Yes, I was a kid when I first saw them. 6 10.17%
No, I like them because I think they're good movies. 31 52.54%
I liked them as a kid and still like them now, but not because of nostalgia 22 37.29%
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Old 09-17-2016, 03:14 PM   #51
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I haven't seen these films in their entirety in a long time. The last time I came across Superman II I felt it didn't hold up well.

The last few times I've come across scenes from the first film I still like the Kypton and Smallville sequences. The second half of the film not as much.

Turning back time never bothered me. The film had built up so much goodwill thanks to Reeve, that I accepted it.

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Old 09-17-2016, 05:29 PM   #52
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But it does hold up. Some dated fx don't make it a bad movie. I can't speak for everyone but the movie still draws me in. Given how the movie is still held up as one of the all time greats, including by notable people like Raimi and Nolan, it is a movie that was definitely made by people who understand comic books.
When people say things like "Donner didn't understand the comics", I have to wonder if they really mean "Donner didn't understand post crisis comics."

Spinning around the earth to travel through time, the amnesia kiss, Superman defeating krytonian villains by outhinking them, etc....all from the comics. People dislike Clark roughing up a bully? Superman used to do things like that in the golden age: use his powers to attack non powered people who were all manner of jerks.

I'm glad Bond films don't often get this type of scrutiny: "People only like Goldfinger because of nostalgia." "Goldfinger was good for its time, but now its too campy..."

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When people say things like "Donner didn't understand the comics", I have to wonder if they really mean "Donner didn't understand post crisis comics."

Spinning around the earth to travel through time, the amnesia kiss, Superman defeating krytonian villains by outhinking them, etc....all from the comics. People dislike Clark roughing up a bully? Superman used to do things like that in the golden age: use his powers to attack non powered people who were all manner of jerks.

I'm glad Bond films don't often get this type of scrutiny: "People only like Goldfinger because of nostalgia." "Goldfinger was good for its time, but now its too campy..."
Exactly.

Frankly its rather insulting when people say the only reason certain old school movies are loved is because of nostalgia. Just can't wrap their heads around the notion people genuinely think they're great movies.

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Old 09-17-2016, 05:47 PM   #54
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Exactly.

Frankly its rather insulting when people say the only reason certain old school movies are loved is because of nostalgia. Just can't wrap their heads around the notion people genuinely think they're great movies.
It's insulting and it reeks of arrogance. "Well, I don't like this, so there must be something up with people who do."

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Old 09-17-2016, 06:03 PM   #55
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I'm glad Bond films don't often get this type of scrutiny: "People only like Goldfinger because of nostalgia." "Goldfinger was good for its time, but now its too campy..."
It does happen, particularly from the diehard Fleming novel fans. But Goldfinger was a huge worldwide cultural phenomenon, the Star Wars or Jurassic Park of its day, so they don't gain much headway.

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Thankfully. Honestly, I think some of the current sentiments about STM/SII will die down once another new film incarnation gets up and running.

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All things considered looking at the poll, they are doing admirably well will the bulk of the votes going for people liking them because they think they are good movies and not nostalgia.

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All things considered looking at the poll, they are doing admirably well will the bulk of the votes going for people liking them because they think they are good movies and not nostalgia.
Yeah, I don't think there is any real significant backlash to the first two Superman films, even now.

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Old 09-17-2016, 06:28 PM   #59
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Honestly, given the quality of Superman movies we've gotten for the last thirty years, it just makes me appreciate the first two films that much more.

But they are legitimately great movies in their own right.


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Old 09-17-2016, 06:31 PM   #60
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All things considered looking at the poll, they are doing admirably well will the bulk of the votes going for people liking them because they think they are good movies and not nostalgia.

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Yeah, I don't think there is any real significant backlash to the first two Superman films, even now.
This is true. Polls help keep things in perspective.

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Honestly, given the quality of Superman movies we've gotten for the last thirty years, it just makes me appreciate the first two films that much more.
This is pretty much how I've felt since MOS.

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First two Reeve movies are best Superman movies. They understand Superman and great movies too.

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I don't like them, but I respect them. However, recent screen incarnations have caused me to appreciate them more.

Superman: The Animated Series remains my go-to screen adaptation of Superman.

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I enjoy Superman II well enough, but I've never been very big on it.

Superman the Movie, however, remains one of the best superhero films ever made.

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When people say things like "Donner didn't understand the comics", I have to wonder if they really mean "Donner didn't understand post crisis comics."

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I won't pretend like I've read every Superman story in his nearly eight-decade-long history, but I've certainly read my fair share. Outside of Elseworld stories, I can't think of any examples of him being selfish or a super-powered ruffian. Yes, there have been stories where he has wondered if his life as a hero is too costly to the world or his loved ones, but never choosing his own happiness over the well-being of the entire world.

I also don't remember him ever having a mean streak where he sought revenge on humans, especially when his own mistakes put him in the bad situation. There have been times when he's been understandably emotional, and even times when he's felt the need to use lethal force (ala Hank Henshaw), but I've never heard of him being SuperBully. I can't even imagine the New 52 Superman, who was often criticized for being arrogant by longtime Supes/ DC fans, lacking a sense of nobility to the point of using his powers to seek revenge.

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Superman II is my type of sequel. It increased the stakes and gave the hero a dilemma and lesson to learn. I think it's the better film for those reasons, even though the original is the more widely accepted classic. Both films have buckets of charm, too.

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Well superman the movie is one of my top 5 films of all time in the company of prestigious films likes the shawshank redemption, the life of others, gattaca and terminator 2 so I guess nostalgia does come into play here but nostalgia or not doesn't change the fact that superman the movie is a great superhero movie that influenced the likes of bryan singer, sam raimi and Chris nolan (who admittedly modeled batman begins on STM).
Superman 2 is a different story. The lester version is very tachy and dated IMO while the donner version is solid but somewhat uneven (to no fault of donner's since he only finished 70% of the film and had to patch the rest up with some of lester's rubbish).

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It's insulting and it reeks of arrogance. "Well, I don't like this, so there must be something up with people who do."
True but that happens all the time ways. Folks who like the current films get told the same thing. Might be just part of human nature. Being aware of it though is a good thing so one doesn't fall into that trap.

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True but that happens all the time ways. Folks who like the current films get told the same thing. Might be just part of human nature. Being aware of it though is a good thing so one doesn't fall into that trap.

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I won't pretend like I've read every Superman story in his nearly eight-decade-long history, but I've certainly read my fair share. Outside of Elseworld stories, I can't think of any examples of him being selfish or a super-powered ruffian. Yes, there have been stories where he has wondered if his life as a hero is too costly to the world or his loved ones, but never choosing his own happiness over the well-being of the entire world.

I also don't remember him ever having a mean streak where he sought revenge on humans, especially when his own mistakes put him in the bad situation. There have been times when he's been understandably emotional, and even times when he's felt the need to use lethal force (ala Hank Henshaw), but I've never heard of him being SuperBully. I can't even imagine the New 52 Superman, who was often criticized for being arrogant by longtime Supes/ DC fans, lacking a sense of nobility to the point of using his powers to seek revenge.
He burns through Lombard's chair leg and makes him tip over in Superman: Brainiac when he makes a comment toward Lois . He breaks Samson and Atlas's arms in All-Star Superman when they do something similar (seems he's touchy about that...). Hell, in MoS, he wrecks that truck when the owner harasses the waitress and embarrasses him. And a ton of examples from the Golden Age all the way through the rest of the 80 years. He has some fun with it all every now and then.

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I won't pretend like I've read every Superman story in his nearly eight-decade-long history, but I've certainly read my fair share. Outside of Elseworld stories, I can't think of any examples of him being selfish or a super-powered ruffian. Yes, there have been stories where he has wondered if his life as a hero is too costly to the world or his loved ones, but never choosing his own happiness over the well-being of the entire world.

I also don't remember him ever having a mean streak where he sought revenge on humans, especially when his own mistakes put him in the bad situation. There have been times when he's been understandably emotional, and even times when he's felt the need to use lethal force (ala Hank Henshaw), but I've never heard of him being SuperBully. I can't even imagine the New 52 Superman, who was often criticized for being arrogant by longtime Supes/ DC fans, lacking a sense of nobility to the point of using his powers to seek revenge.
He spent a good portion of the silver age just punking lana as superboy and lois as superman with the whole clark/superman thing. Heck there is one issue where superman arranges for clark to 'die' just to guilt lois about the way she mistreated him!
The golden age superman seemed to enjoy tormenting and scaring crooks even when he didn't need to, all the while making wise cracks every other panel.
Heck even in superman the movie he lands a yacht in the middle of the city just to show off and then leaves it there for god knows who to actually move it! There was even an cut scene afterwards where kal is apologetic to jor-el for his 'vain' behavior, a wonderful scene that showed superman's more flawed, human side IMO.
Superman has sadly had his fair share of douchy behaviors throughout his nearly 80 years of existence.

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I'll even come at it another way-- Going back to that diner was the most Superman-y thing he could do. Judging from the owner and waitresses reactions, the trucker has a reputation for bullying/attacking other customers. Clark give him doing that he did* is showing the guy that he can't get away with crap anymore.

*And let's face it, he didn't exactly WAIL on the guy like people would have us believe. He let the guy hit him (breaking his hand), spun him around and slid him off the counter.

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I'll even come at it another way-- Going back to that diner was the most Superman-y thing he could do. Judging from the owner and waitresses reactions, the trucker has a reputation for bullying/attacking other customers. Clark give him doing that he did* is showing the guy that he can't get away with crap anymore.

*And let's face it, he didn't exactly WAIL on the guy like people would have us believe. He let the guy hit him (breaking his hand), spun him around and slid him off the counter.
And it was hilarious

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The presence and likability of Reeve covers up some of the film's sins. Reeve is even good in the outright bad Superman films.

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I like the move, though some aspects do not hold up, the antagonists (to a certain degree, that being Otis and Teschmacher) and the Deus Ex Machina ending.

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The presence and likability of Reeve covers up some of the film's sins. Reeve is even good in the outright bad Superman films.
He is and that's a huge part of the reason I even like those "bad" Superman films.

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