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Old 01-08-2017, 04:29 PM   #101
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The DCEU is sweeping the Razzie shortlist this year.
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I'm not nearly as hard on Eisenberg as everyone else seems to be, but this:
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This will be first Razzies I feel like checking out the whole way through.

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JL comes out two weeks after Thor: Ragnarok and three weeks before Episode IX. They've got quite a hill to overcome in box office potential.

There's a Pixar movie the following week too.

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Old 01-08-2017, 07:49 PM   #103
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Default Re: What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope? - Part 1

After BvS didn't even make close to a billion in March with no competiton around, JL's chances are even slimmer.

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Old 01-09-2017, 03:45 AM   #104
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DC has great material but they are just chasing Marvels vapors right now. The production value just isn't there with DCU. Its starting to feel better but the lack of universe continuity is glaring.Also the battle/fight scenes are mostly dreadful compared to Marvel.

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Also the battle/fight scenes are mostly dreadful compared to Marvel.
What? MoS fight scenes are leaps and bounds ahead of anything MCU has put on the screen. Smallville, The World Engine, Supes vs Zod, they are just the best. I like the The World Engine fight the most since it greatly intertwine between multiple places and each is so full of emotions and epic, dynamic and visceral action.

Plus the Trinity vs Doomsday UE fight was fantastic. Best boss battle so far.

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The production value just isn't there with DCU.
What do you mean by this?

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Old 01-09-2017, 10:10 AM   #106
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Plus the Trinity vs Doomsday UE fight was fantastic. Best boss battle so far.
It was boring.

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Old 01-09-2017, 10:16 AM   #107
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DC has great material but they are just chasing Marvels vapors right now. The production value just isn't there with DCU. Its starting to feel better but the lack of universe continuity is glaring.Also the battle/fight scenes are mostly dreadful compared to Marvel.
BVS had some high quality production value. Its just snyders film grain makes everything look dull. Someone did a youtube video where they brightened up man of steel and it looked good.

Ironically in marvel all the fight scenes feel fake or look way too rehearsed at times for me.

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Old 01-09-2017, 11:16 AM   #108
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Plus the Trinity vs Doomsday UE fight was fantastic. Best boss battle so far.
Not even a contender for best. It was a dull CGI fest.

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It couldn't even rival the Smallville fight scene in this poll:

http://forums.superherohype.com/show...859&highlight=

Honestly, even taking out the Airport battle in CW and just focusing on the end fights, I don't think the Doomsday fight could even beat the others from last year.

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Ironically in marvel all the fight scenes feel fake or look way too rehearsed at times for me.
The Avengers city battle, Hellicarrier fight, Winter Soldier fights and the CW airport fight are my favorites because we're actually invested in the characters, so we care and the stakes feel real.

The emotional investment in genuine.


Whereas when Snyderman died, the general reaction was 'meh.'

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What? MoS fight scenes are leaps and bounds ahead of anything MCU has put on the screen. Smallville, The World Engine, Supes vs Zod, they are just the best. I like the The World Engine fight the most since it greatly intertwine between multiple places and each is so full of emotions and epic, dynamic and visceral action.
Superman smallville fight, Superman vs Zod, Batman vs Superman, Batman warehouse sequence(best cbm fight of the year) all great

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These are just movies. The Marvel vs. DC stuff was strange enough. The DCEU vs. DCTV was stranger still. Now its DCEU vs Lego? The hell?

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Superman smallville fight, Superman vs Zod, Batman vs Superman, Batman warehouse sequence(best cbm fight of the year) all great
You got that right, buddy!

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The Avengers city battle, Hellicarrier fight, Winter Soldier fights and the CW airport fight are my favorites because we're actually invested in the characters, so we care and the stakes feel real.

The emotional investment in genuine.


Whereas when Snyderman died, the general reaction was 'meh.'
I had emotional investment in bucky vs cap in winter soldier and again when they fought tony in civil war at the end. Thes rest are just the avengers cracking jokes and saying one liners and smiling. They clearly didnt feel in danger so why should I? When your fighting generic cgi faceless armies with ease there isnt much tension, its just eye candy.

I felt bad superman died when they finally showed the world care about him instead of bashing him every 5 seconds.

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I don't have any issues with the productions values for the DCEU. That's more of a Fox issue. Their films look cheap compared to the competition, including DC.

The main problems with the DCEU are the story, characters, acting, and editing.

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I don't have any issues with the productions values for the DCEU. That's more of a Fox issue. Their films look cheap compared to the competition, including DC.

The main problems with the DCEU are the story, characters, acting, and editing.
I think characters and acting are the DCEU positive. Just need better stories

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I think characters and acting are the DCEU positive.
They're really not. Especially when you look at the likes of Lex Luthor, and pretty much the entire cast of Suicide Squad.

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They're really not. Especially when you look at the likes of Lex Luthor, and pretty much the entire cast of Suicide Squad.
Yet people praised ben in bvs and will and margot in suicide squad.

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Yet people praised ben in bvs and will and margot in suicide squad.
Ignoring the fact that all three of them are on the Razzies shortlist, you think it's impressive that out of three movies, only three actors have been given any praise?

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They're really not. Especially when you look at the likes of Lex Luthor, and pretty much the entire cast of Suicide Squad.
I thought bad acting was judged by 'bad acting'.
People abhorred the character, the acting fits what was intended.

I'll certainly give you most of Suicide Squad.
Viola Davis came out unscathed, but there's no telling what they told Leto to do if he's not just improv-ing each and every time.

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I thought bad acting was judged by 'bad acting'.
People abhorred the character, the acting fits what was intended.
The character was intended to be a cartoonish caricature that would have been at home in a Joel Schumacher Batman movie?

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The character was intended to be a cartoonish caricature that would have been at home in a Joel Schumacher Batman movie?
I've said it before that they pretty much wrote in The Riddler.
Again, in what way was THAT badly acted?

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Ignoring the fact that all three of them are on the Razzies shortlist, you think it's impressive that out of three movies, only three actors have been given any praise?
They are but explain the constant positive feedback on the 3 I listed. The razzies are fun side award to counter the oscars, its not meant to be serious. If Ben was that bad the fans wouldnt be screaming to give him the keys to the batman castle.

Only downey jr, hiddleston and evans have been good in marvels 14 films as well your point?

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I've said it before that they pretty much wrote in The Riddler.
Again, in what way was THAT badly acted?
I am no fan of Snyder, but even I don't think he was dumb enough that he wrote Lex Luthor with The Riddler in mind. They claimed the character was supposed to come across as very intense and psychological;

http://heroichollywood.com/zack-snyd...se-psychology/

Instead he acted like a goofy cartoonish caricature. It was bad acting because the character wasn't convincing in any way the way Eisenberg played him.

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2014 called, if they're well-marketed and well-received, they shouldn't be cannibalizing each other.
So what your saying is, JL has to be nervous?

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I am no fan of Snyder, but even I don't think he was dumb enough that he wrote Lex Luthor with The Riddler in mind. They claimed the character was supposed to come across as very intense and psychological;

http://heroichollywood.com/zack-snyd...se-psychology/

Instead he acted like a goofy cartoonish caricature. It was bad acting because the character wasn't convincing in any way the way Eisenberg played him.

Yup. They missed the mark entirely, and gave us one of the worst villains we've seen in any recent superhero film.

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