"The Truth: Red, White And Black"

Fantasyartist · 10-06-2011, 08:07 AM

I've just decided to get the graphic novel of this miniseries, in which Cap discovers that he is(albeit unwitting)a beneficiery of a Tuskegee-style experiment in which the experimental Super-Soldier formula was first tested on a group of African American soldiers before the"perfected" serum was given to him( the soldiers of course suffered all manner of side effects including sterility and brain damage). Whilst it may be argued that in the extremity of a looming war such experimentation was justifiable(and given the racist sentiments of many in the US military "brass", predominantly Southern born, hardly surprising), how then does this make official US condemnation of pretty similiar medical conduct by German doctors and scientists( most notoriously one Joseph Mengele) at the postwar Nuremburg Tribunals( and the execution if not sentences to lengthy prison terms for several of these aforementioned doctors)? Granted, the general public may not know of this(least of all the African American community), but Cap knows. Wouldn't this tend to give the "Sentinel of Liberty" a rather gamier reputation if the truth became know?
Perhaps this aspect of Cap's background could be further explored in his title?

Terry

Fantasyartist · 10-31-2011, 03:01 AM

I've bought and read "The Truth: Red, White and Black". The whole field of eugenics in which British, American and German leaders vied with one another to weed out the "unfit" races between the wars is one that is often overlooked in popular discourse( even Winston Churchill as British Home Secretary reportedly favoured such moves as did the ostensibly "left-wing" weekly the New Statesman), which prefers to think that "such things could never happen here". My advice to any serious Cap fan is to get it-preferably before Christmas!

Terry

Hypestyle · 11-23-2011, 02:46 PM

I'm not sure if the series aftermath has been dealt with in the actual Cap comics, really.. The Crew 'mini-series' (actually, a planned ongoing until it got canceled with #7) dealt with the son of Bradley, "Josiah X", and a group of heroes in brooklyn, NY.. and the current Patriot character is the grandson of Bradley.. but that's about it..

CaptainStacy · 12-19-2011, 12:22 AM

ok.

gopalji123 · 11-02-2012, 07:59 AM

I've bought and read "The Truth: Red, White and Black". The whole field of eugenics in which British, American and German leaders vied with one another to weed out the "unfit" races between the wars is one that is often overlooked in popular discourse( even Winston Churchill as British Home Secretary reportedly favoured such moves as did the ostensibly "left-wing" weekly the New Statesman), which prefers to think that "such things could never happen here". My advice to any serious Cap fan is to get it-preferably before Christmas!

Hello friends
Welcome to this forum site
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where you can share your views and ideas......

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urwithkaiffe · 11-27-2012, 04:39 PM

White

star89 · 05-09-2013, 10:51 AM

I'm black and irish so technically black in this country but I'd probably never read this just because I don't find it very interesting. It would be nice if they just created a cool black superhero that could compete with the likes of Superman and Captain and Batman...but instead they create boring black super heroes and boring black super heroins (not counting storm)

10-06-2011, 08:07 AM	#1
Fantasyartist Side-Kick Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 483	"The Truth: Red, White And Black" I've just decided to get the graphic novel of this miniseries, in which Cap discovers that he is(albeit unwitting)a beneficiery of a Tuskegee-style experiment in which the experimental Super-Soldier formula was first tested on a group of African American soldiers before the"perfected" serum was given to him( the soldiers of course suffered all manner of side effects including sterility and brain damage). Whilst it may be argued that in the extremity of a looming war such experimentation was justifiable(and given the racist sentiments of many in the US military "brass", predominantly Southern born, hardly surprising), how then does this make official US condemnation of pretty similiar medical conduct by German doctors and scientists( most notoriously one Joseph Mengele) at the postwar Nuremburg Tribunals( and the execution if not sentences to lengthy prison terms for several of these aforementioned doctors)? Granted, the general public may not know of this(least of all the African American community), but Cap knows. Wouldn't this tend to give the "Sentinel of Liberty" a rather gamier reputation if the truth became know? Perhaps this aspect of Cap's background could be further explored in his title? Terry

10-31-2011, 03:01 AM	#2
Fantasyartist Side-Kick Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 483	Re: "The Truth: Red, White And Black" I've bought and read "The Truth: Red, White and Black". The whole field of eugenics in which British, American and German leaders vied with one another to weed out the "unfit" races between the wars is one that is often overlooked in popular discourse( even Winston Churchill as British Home Secretary reportedly favoured such moves as did the ostensibly "left-wing" weekly the New Statesman), which prefers to think that "such things could never happen here". My advice to any serious Cap fan is to get it-preferably before Christmas! Terry

11-23-2011, 02:46 PM	#3
Hypestyle Side-Kick Join Date: May 2000 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 4,831	Re: "The Truth: Red, White And Black" I'm not sure if the series aftermath has been dealt with in the actual Cap comics, really.. The Crew 'mini-series' (actually, a planned ongoing until it got canceled with #7) dealt with the son of Bradley, "Josiah X", and a group of heroes in brooklyn, NY.. and the current Patriot character is the grandson of Bradley.. but that's about it..

12-19-2011, 12:22 AM	#4
CaptainStacy Gone...but not forgotten. Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: The Beautiful Planet Earth Posts: 20,027	Re: "The Truth: Red, White And Black" ok. Last edited by CaptainStacy; 12-09-2012 at 11:37 PM.

11-02-2012, 07:59 AM	#5
gopalji123 Newbie Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4	Re: "The Truth: Red, White And Black" I've bought and read "The Truth: Red, White and Black". The whole field of eugenics in which British, American and German leaders vied with one another to weed out the "unfit" races between the wars is one that is often overlooked in popular discourse( even Winston Churchill as British Home Secretary reportedly favoured such moves as did the ostensibly "left-wing" weekly the New Statesman), which prefers to think that "such things could never happen here". My advice to any serious Cap fan is to get it-preferably before Christmas! Hello friends Welcome to this forum site Here you can find a lot of things The forum are the way where you can share your views and ideas...... dainik bhasker

11-27-2012, 04:39 PM	#6
urwithkaiffe Banned User Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 10	Re: "The Truth: Red, White And Black" White

05-09-2013, 10:51 AM	#7
star89 Banned User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 4	Re: "The Truth: Red, White And Black" I'm black and irish so technically black in this country but I'd probably never read this just because I don't find it very interesting. It would be nice if they just created a cool black superhero that could compete with the likes of Superman and Captain and Batman...but instead they create boring black super heroes and boring black super heroins (not counting storm)

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