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See, for me, I think ASM is the best Spidey movie, but SM2 is the best movie. Watching the films and turning my Spidey-fan brain off, I realize that SM2 is the most complete film out of all of them. However, I just really didn't enjoy the characterization of Raimi's Peter Parker/Spider-man. So it wasn't my favorite Spidey film.
I think you've pretty much said what I (and a lot of other people, apparently) have been thinking for awhile, but couldn't pinpoint exactly -- I knew I LIKED TASM best and that it felt the most right to me (though it is obviously not without its flaws, and quite a few of them), but thought SM2 was a better film as far as being more cohesive, grander in scale, handling multiple themes and character arcs, etc. But yeah, I wasn't too fond of quite a few characterizations in it save for JJJ and Harry, I think. And while I still think Ock was the best movie villain if I look at the whole package and don't think about the comics, when I do think of the comics, it kind of bugs me that he was pretty much the Lizard with Ock's power set. I say that as someone who's a fan of both in the comics, btw.

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I think you've pretty much said what I (and a lot of other people, apparently) have been thinking for awhile, but couldn't pinpoint exactly -- I knew I LIKED TASM best and that it felt the most right to me (though it is obviously not without its flaws, and quite a few of them), but thought SM2 was a better film as far as being more cohesive, grander in scale, handling multiple themes and character arcs, etc. But yeah, I wasn't too fond of quite a few characterizations in it save for JJJ and Harry, I think. And while I still think Ock was the best movie villain if I look at the whole package and don't think about the comics, when I do think of the comics, it kind of bugs me that he was pretty much the Lizard with Ock's power set. I say that as someone who's a fan of both in the comics, btw.
That's pretty much exactly how I feel. When I watch films I try to seperate them from the source material, if I didn't, I'd have issues with a lot of movies I love. I've read all the Bourne books (the original 3 that is) and I love them, I also love the movies, though they're very, VERY different. Same with Jurassic Park.

SM2 is pretty much the same. It's a very well made movie, but not what I wanted out of a Spider-man movie. I never really liked the way PP/Spidey was handled, and I absolutely hated the way they potrayed MJ. And, like you, I never liked that Ock had an arc that should have belonged to Connors. I remember hearing that originally Raimi intended Lizard and Doc Ock to be in SM2, and it's easy to see that. He basically gave Ock the Lizard's arc.

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Silk Trap, Car Theif and High School Fight are TREMEDOUS scenes.
Stan Lee's cameo

I'm sure they are going to be iconic.
Something has to be iconic when the movie as a whole won't be

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Something has to be iconic when the movie as a whole won't be
now that´s kinda trolling
the movie is not perfect but i don´t get "Iconic as a whole" thing
tell me what is a movie is iconic as a whole?

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How is it trolling? This film is no Spider-Man 2. This film is no The Dark Knight.

Show me anywhere where TAS-M has been hailed as the greatest CBM? If it never got that title, how in the world would it ever be iconic? ESPECIALLY when it deals with an origin that another film dealt with years ago that actually became iconic for the kind of trend it started.

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How is it trolling? This film is no Spider-Man 2. This film is no The Dark Knight.

Show me anywhere where TAS-M has been hailed as the greatest CBM? If it never got that title, how in the world would it ever be iconic? ESPECIALLY when it deals with an origin that another film dealt with years ago that actually became iconic for the kind of trend it started.
I would agree that TASM didn't do anything iconic. And that's not a bad thing. There are tons of movies out there that I love that I wouldn't consider iconic, and there are some movies that I don't like that are.

But all you have to do is look at the influence TASM had on pop culture. With SM1, you had people parodying the upside down kiss within the first few months of it's release, and a Weird Al song to boot.

TASM wasn't iconic. At the same time, I still prefer it much more then any of the previous three films. I don't think Anno_Domini was trying to troll or bash on TASM when he said it wasn't iconic.

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How is it trolling? This film is no Spider-Man 2. This film is no The Dark Knight.

Show me anywhere where TAS-M has been hailed as the greatest CBM? If it never got that title, how in the world would it ever be iconic? ESPECIALLY when it deals with an origin that another film dealt with years ago that actually became iconic for the kind of trend it started.
ok, is not hailed as one of the best CBM and is not an iconic movie because someone did that before ...but the "iconic" movies that you say are sequels
and how is "The Dark knight" iconic?, just curiosity

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ok, is not hailed as one of the best CBM and is not an iconic movie because someone did that before ...but the "iconic" movies that you say are sequels
and how is "The Dark knight" iconic?, just curiosity
We may be getting into semantics here, but I consider a film iconic if it's had a major impact on pop culture, and has scenes/lines that people will quote for years afterwards.

The "I think we're going to need a bigger boat" in Jaws.
The T-Rex escaping in Jurassic Park,
Indy shooting the swordsman in Raiders, etc.

I'd categoraize TDK in the "iconic" category, because Ledger's Joker has become iconic, along with his catchphrases "Wanna know how I got these scars?" Or "Why so serious" and (at least I think) will continue to be remembered for many years. That categorizes it as an iconic movie for me.

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We may be getting into semantics here, but I consider a film iconic if it's had a major impact on pop culture, and has scenes/lines that people will quote for years afterwards.

The "I think we're going to need a bigger boat" in Jaws.
The T-Rex escaping in Jurassic Park,
Indy shooting the swordsman in Raiders, etc.

I'd categoraize TDK in the "iconic" category, because Ledger's Joker has become iconic, along with his catchphrases "Wanna know how I got these scars?" Or "Why so serious" and (at least I think) will continue to be remembered for many years. That categorizes it as an iconic movie for me.
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And again, I don't look at that as a bad thing. I would call Prestige an "iconic" movie either, but it's still one of my favorites.

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How is it trolling? This film is no Spider-Man 2. This film is no The Dark Knight.

Show me anywhere where TAS-M has been hailed as the greatest CBM? If it never got that title, how in the world would it ever be iconic? ESPECIALLY when it deals with an origin that another film dealt with years ago that actually became iconic for the kind of trend it started.
SM2 and TDK arent iconic either.
No superhero movie is iconic,only some parts maybe.
Like the upside down kiss in SM1

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I think Speed Racer is one of the coolest movies I've ever seen, definitely one of the most inventive. I could watch it over and over and never get bored. But I don't think I'd call it iconic.

TASM is one of the best character-driven CBM's I've ever seen and that's really what I praise it for. It's not the best film I've ever seen, but it's the most honest Spider-Man movie I've ever seen and that's all I really wanted from it.

I am a little upset with how Sony handled it after seeing those deleted scenes.

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Well I think Infinity answered the question on how TDK is considered iconic. Let alone, it's memorized as a CBM that literally changed things and this isn't a pun from one of Joker's lines as it's clearly the truth. Nolan's entire trilogy will be memorable, but out of those three films, it'll be The Dark Knight that is known as a very iconic film in the lines of Spider-Man 2, Superman: The Movie. And in regards to a film that started something, no other Spider-Man film period will be as iconic as the '02 film for really pushing the trend of all CBMs for the 21st century. I don't see anywhere where The Amazing Spider-Man will be known as very iconic or a film that started something as Superman: The Movie, Spider-Man, Batman Begins.

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Well I think Infinity answered the question on how TDK is considered iconic. Let alone, it's memorized as a CBM that literally changed things and this isn't a pun from one of Joker's lines as it's clearly the truth. Nolan's entire trilogy will be memorable, but out of those three films, it'll be The Dark Knight that is known as a very iconic film in the lines of Spider-Man 2, Superman: The Movie. And in regards to a film that started something, no other Spider-Man film period will be as iconic as the '02 film for really pushing the trend of all CBMs for the 21st century. I don't see anywhere where The Amazing Spider-Man will be known as very iconic or a film that started something as Superman: The Movie, Spider-Man, Batman Begins.
i agree with most of what you said
but how exactly The Dark Knight changed things? i get the Joker was very iconic
but what else?

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Well I think Infinity answered the question on how TDK is considered iconic. Let alone, it's memorized as a CBM that literally changed things and this isn't a pun from one of Joker's lines as it's clearly the truth. Nolan's entire trilogy will be memorable, but out of those three films, it'll be The Dark Knight that is known as a very iconic film in the lines of Spider-Man 2, Superman: The Movie. And in regards to a film that started something, no other Spider-Man film period will be as iconic as the '02 film for really pushing the trend of all CBMs for the 21st century. I don't see anywhere where The Amazing Spider-Man will be known as very iconic or a film that started something as Superman: The Movie, Spider-Man, Batman Begins.
BB wasnt anything iconic even though it was a good movie.
TDK was iconic,or better still,Ledger's joker and his lines are iconic,I think you are confusing 'Influential' and 'Iconic'
Parts of SM1 and SM2 are iconic
As I said,no movie as a whole is iconic,some parts are.Same with TASM
And not being iconic isnt anything bad.SM1 had more iconic parts than SM2 yet SM2 is a better movie overall


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SM2 and TDK arent iconic either.
No superhero movie is iconic,only some parts maybe.
Like the upside down kiss in SM1
That's not what's been said the past couple of pages, but whatever floats your boat.

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TDK was iconic,or better still,Ledger's joker and his lines are iconic,I think you are confusing 'Influential' and 'Iconic'
Parts of SM1 and SM2 are iconic
As I said,no movie as a whole is iconic,some parts are.Same with TASM
And not being iconic isnt anything bad.SM1 had more iconic parts than SM2 yet SM2 is a better movie overall
You just said TDK wasn't iconic, but now you say it is?

And once again you underestimate Batman Begins. Nevertheless, I did not say it was as iconic as films such as Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight(which, they are iconic, so I hate to burst your bubble), but Batman Begins is only memorable for starting a trend as much as the 2002 Spider-Man is memorable for starting a new wave of CBMs and Superman: The Movie is memorable for starting the wave of CBMs completely.

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That's not what's been said the past couple of pages, but whatever floats your boat.
You just said TDK wasn't iconic, but now you say it is?
Read full,I said parts of it
You are throwing the word 'Iconic' too loosely around here,no movie is totally iconic,only some parts.Parts of SM1,SM2 and TDK are iconic

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Thats being influential,not Iconic
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Apparently they will revise and improve on the suit.
Not surprising, but Webb made his bed and he needs to lie in it as in, not drastically changing his suit. He should keep everything but have an actual belt this time.

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Read full,I said parts of it
You are throwing the word 'Iconic' too loosely around here,no movie is totally iconic,only some parts.Parts of SM1,SM2 and TDK are iconic
A CBM can be iconic as in becoming integral parts of their history, and not filmmaking history as a whole, much as how a horror film can be iconic and important with that specific genre. And in regards to that, yes, I still say Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight can be considered in that aspect.

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Goodness dude, you're not even paying attention. I've been talking about TWO different things. Being an iconic CBM and being a memorable film that started a trend. Batman Begins fits in the latter.

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What else? Lol. Crossing the lines in making a CBM feel more than just a CBM. By having more philosophical elements in a superhero film that was received very well and doing a better job at it then even Singer's X-Men films. I don't know how you can say TDK didn't change things with the genre as a whole.

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What else? Lol. Crossing the lines in making a CBM feel more than just a CBM. By having more philosophical elements in a superhero film that was received very well and doing a better job at it then even Singer's X-Men films. I don't know how you can say TDK didn't change things with the genre as a whole.
This.
TDK proved you can have a long, dark, intricate movie that takes itself as seriously as any crime drama, doesn't sacrifice its rich storyline to make itself more appealing AND still manages to make a bajilion dollars at the box-office.

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What else? Lol. Crossing the lines in making a CBM feel more than just a CBM. By having more philosophical elements in a superhero film that was received very well and doing a better job at it then even Singer's X-Men films. I don't know how you can say TDK didn't change things with the genre as a whole.
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TDK didn't really have any influence on comic book movies that came after. Name me one superhero flick that is like TDK since 2008 (TDKR not withstanding, obviously)? If anything, Batman Begins is the influential one, as the likes of Favreau, Gavin Hood (Wolverine director), and Marc Webb has name dropped it as influences. Begins also had an impact on Hollywood at large being the first successful reboot which now allows Hollywood to be very reboot happy. The only film that has been cited by its filmmakers as being influenced by TDK is Skyfall, which is not even a comic book film. JJ Abrams also cites TDK as an influence for his Star Trek sequel, which has yet to come out, and once again, isn't a comic book film.

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