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Old 06-17-2013, 02:13 AM   #1
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"Hmm...I saw Superman stopping Zod...didn't see Superman randomly and arbitrarily going around grabbing citizens and snapping their necks...
But Zod was causing a lot of destruction that Superman tried his best to minimize..kind of hard to do that though when the guy is hitting you through buildings...I don't know..call me crazy. I guess he was supposed to waste time escorting citizens 2 at a time out of the city while Zod just stood waiting..that would have made more sense I guess."


For the most part, IMDB is a giant cesspool of negativity and ******** but I came across this post and it made me laugh my nutz off LoL!

I did think at some points (namely the Zod and Superman crash through the gas station with the giant explosion haha) that there was a negligence to the amount of deaths being caused by all the fighting that was going on but...seriously...that above post made me really analyze the whole 'death and destruction' thing.

I just think people should take their foot off the gas and stop getting their sphincters in a knot! Who really cares if there was a huge amount of casualties..it makes it more realistic if you ask me. Kal-El was pretty much just THRUST into this entire situation with ZERO training and pretty much ZERO notice. Give the guy a break LoL he didn't have the tactical, military and combat background his enemies had, not to mention his enemies weren't going to Earth to play paddycake or pick up sticks for christ sakes...they wanted to DESTROY the world! Kal must have been just a wee bit stressed I'd imagine. He did the best he could. And who gives a **** if he killed Zod. Zod was a vicious programmed warrior hellbent on destroying Earth, what was he going to do? Spank him and put him in the corner for a time out?

Just my opinion on the matter.


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Old 06-17-2013, 02:23 AM   #2
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I agree with you. My only complaint would be the lack of remorse over all of the casualties that Superman showed. If there had been one scene with Lois after the final battle where the two acknowledge the devastation and lives lost, I think there would be fewer complaints. But it just jumps straight to a happy ending instead.

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Old 06-17-2013, 12:05 PM   #3
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I agree with you. My only complaint would be the lack of remorse over all of the casualties that Superman showed. If there had been one scene with Lois after the final battle where the two acknowledge the devastation and lives lost, I think there would be fewer complaints. But it just jumps straight to a happy ending instead.

I just had to had to jump in and add a few things here. When Zod and Superman destructed the gas pump, the people who were NOT in their vehicle at the time, were shown in a flash, first, inside the gas station BEFORE their car caught fire and blew up. The vehicle was empty. The station itself was fine.

Now maybe that was rude for Superman to punch Zod for killing his father, then trying to kill his Earth mother all the while burning up someone's car, but I don't know, if you're super powered aliens maybe it kind of gets excused I think.

Second, Perry White notices things happening outside the Daily Planet, a tall building in Metropolis, and says, time to evacuate the building, or something close to that. Then we see Superman and Zod crash into a building later while fighting and that tall office building is clearly empty.

These two events, the statement from Perry and the empty building scene imply that everyone left the buildings when they saw alien things going on outside. Maybe there were some people who didn't run fast enough on the ground when the buildings fell, but the general implication I took from the film was everyone had time to evacuate and there were some, but not many casualties.

I think generally, a lot of people are missing these modern day film explanations, which are quick flashes and comments, and instead make their own assumptions, which may not be the correct assumptions.

They show Metropolis when Zod and Superman are flying and you can see, most of Metropolis is still in tact. There's only a portion of it with a lot of destruction.

I do agree with someone's comment I read above, I think most people were aware of the alien invasion and had evacuated the city. It makes sense the top newspaper reporters would have tried to stay until the last minute to get the "story".


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Old 06-18-2013, 01:42 PM   #4
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I agree with you. My only complaint would be the lack of remorse over all of the casualties that Superman showed. If there had been one scene with Lois after the final battle where the two acknowledge the devastation and lives lost, I think there would be fewer complaints. But it just jumps straight to a happy ending instead.
I don't know. That wail at the end doesn't seem to just be over Zod.

Film doesn't convey time very well. How long has it been when we get to the drone downing at the end, the talk with Ma Kent, or Clark coming to the Planet? We don't know. I think that worked better than having Superman sulk. I get that so many people want this to be perfect, but you only have a limited time to deal with everything.

I think the reaction to this should really come in a second film anyways, as Superman begins to truly form who he is - what kind of rules he tries to play by, etc.

Did we ever really get an answer in the past as to why Superman tried to direct fights away from populations, etc? I think here we may have an answer as this experience informs him and causes him to be far more prepared when the next menace rears its head.

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hmmm... not sure if this controversial issue a good thing or a bad thing to the box office result...

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"Hmm...I saw Superman stopping Zod...didn't see Superman randomly and arbitrarily going around grabbing citizens and snapping their necks...
But Zod was causing a lot of destruction that Superman tried his best to minimize..kind of hard to do that though when the guy is hitting you through buildings...I don't know..call me crazy. I guess he was supposed to waste time escorting citizens 2 at a time out of the city while Zod just stood waiting..that would have made more sense I guess."


For the most part, IMDB is a giant cesspool of negativity and ******** but I came across this post and it made me laugh my nutz off LoL!

I did think at some points (namely the Zod and Superman crash through the gas station with the giant explosion haha) that there was a negligence to the amount of deaths being caused by all the fighting that was going on but...seriously...that above post made me really analyze the whole 'death and destruction' thing.

I just think people should take their foot off the gas and stop getting their sphincters in a knot! Who really cares if there was a huge amount of casualties..it makes it more realistic if you ask me. Kal-El was pretty much just THRUST into this entire situation with ZERO training and pretty much ZERO notice. Give the guy a break LoL he didn't have the tactical, military and combat background his enemies had, not to mention his enemies weren't going to Earth to play paddycake or pick up sticks for christ sakes...they wanted to DESTROY the world! Kal must have been just a wee bit stressed I'd imagine. He did the best he could. And who gives a **** if he killed Zod. Zod was a vicious programmed warrior hellbent on destroying Earth, what was he going to do? Spank him and put him in the corner for a time out?

Just my opinion on the matter.

And the kicker is that Zod probably would have lay waste to Metropolis anyway, if he was any more used to his heat vision the whole city would be in flames. Anyway, I liked that heat vision seems to take anger and focus. It's like the comics, when Supes gets heat vision, you KNOW he's angry. It seemed like he was just getting started to get used to heat vision at the end. If he had all this experience, he would have burnt down the buildings crushed those running out at warp speed. You know he would.

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And the kicker is that Zod probably would have lay waste to Metropolis anyway, if he was any more used to his heat vision the whole city would be in flames. Anyway, I liked that heat vision seems to take anger and focus. It's like the comics, when Supes gets heat vision, you KNOW he's angry. It seemed like he was just getting started to get used to heat vision at the end. If he had all this experience, he would have burnt down the buildings crushed those running out at warp speed. You know he would.
When Kal-el used his heat vision to cauterize Lois's wounds the second time they meet (they first meet as she is getting off the helicopter, and he is the worker taking her bags) he is not angry when using heat vision.

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i guess people missed superman saving the entire planet from becoming this


but i guess it is more heroic to do it individually

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LoL seriously!

CHRIST almighty people!!! This is to the people who are complaining and *****ing about the movie....PLEASE lighten the **** up!

Seriously.

Ok, look..if you hate the movie? Ok, if it didn't 'wow' you, cool...if it's not your 'cup of tea' that's quite alright. I just think a lot of people are stopping themselves from actually enjoying a really awesome Superman movie with the 'lets put every frigging thing under a microscope and ***** and moan all day long about this, that and the other thing' instead of seeing what's RIGHT in front of us-----> Superman is on the big screen. There's big character moments, beautiful acting, gorgeous cinematography, a score that sounds like baby angels cooing, explosions, hand to hand combat, high stakes, love, sacrifice, morality, all that is good, vanquishing evil, hope & heart...it's got everything!

If this movie came out like 15 years ago (I know it'd probably be impossible with the effects and whatnot but I'm just saying...indulge me here folks) when people weren't such cynical *******s maybe they'd stand up and be proud of what Zack Snyder and everyone accomplished, maybe they'd cheer and clap as soon as the credits rolled and that beautiful Superman 'Hope' glyph appeared.


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LoL seriously!

CHRIST almighty people!!! This is to the people who are complaining and *****ing about the movie....PLEASE lighten the **** up!

Seriously.

Ok, look..if you hate the movie? Ok, if it didn't 'wow' you, cool...if it's not your 'cup of tea' that's quite alright. I just think a lot of people are stopping themselves from actually enjoying a really awesome Superman movie with the 'lets put every frigging thing under a microscope and ***** and moan all day long about this, that and the other thing' instead of seeing what's RIGHT in front of us-----> Superman is on the big screen. There's big character moments, beautiful acting, gorgeous cinematography, a score that sounds like baby angels cooing, explosions, hand to hand combat, high stakes, love, sacrifice, morality, all that is good, vanquishing evil, hope & heart...it's got everything!

If this movie came out like 15 years ago (I know it'd probably be impossible with the effects and whatnot but I'm just saying...indulge me here folks) when people weren't such cynical *******s maybe they'd stand up and be proud of what Zack Snyder and everyone accomplished, maybe they'd cheer and clap as soon as the credits rolled and that beautiful Superman 'Hope' glyph appeared.

If the movie came out 15 years ago, people would be even MORE critical. There's this stigma of "Superman is campy, so he shouldn't be serious"

If critics weren't ready for a reboot of an origin 35 years later, what makes you think they won't get mad on the 20th anniversary? Also it'd be a little over decade since Reeve made his last appearance. All we can hope on is for the film to make bank so that it can get more money in the sequel.

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I wish Superman would have told people to run and show more concern but hey I'm not complain it just a minor thing for me.

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I wish Superman would have told people to run and show more concern but hey I'm not complain it just a minor thing for me.
This! If he saved the people from one building, Zod would throw cars through other buildings. I think he was a little too reckless, but he's had to hold back his entire life. Punching in moderation is something he's probably not used to. Also, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense that if he throws Zod higher in the air, the more likely he could cause devastation in other parts of the world, faster than Superman could keep track and stop him. So in order to "control the damage" he just bear him on the ground.

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This! If he saved the people from one building, Zod would throw cars through other buildings. I think he was a little too reckless, but he's had to hold back his entire life. Punching in moderation is something he's probably not used to. Also, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense that if he throws Zod higher in the air, the more likely he could cause devastation in other parts of the world, faster than Superman could keep track and stop him. So in order to "control the damage" he just bear him on the ground.
Well, the building they went through was entirely empty. I think the idea was meant to be all the buildings were empty. It is reasonable to assume that Perry would view DP as essential services, and so be slower to evacuate than in other buildings. So I think we are meant to assume all buildings were evacuated.

The catch is that in MOS Zod is an intensive fighter, who does not give his enemy any chance, but attacks with full force. It is very different than Superman II, although even there it makes little sense than Superman is able to prevent all deaths, especially when he causes debris to rain down on people.

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I wish Superman would have told people to run and show more concern but hey I'm not complain it just a minor thing for me.
What people!!!!!! The last battle took place in the AFTERMATH of the World Engine. THERE WERE NO PEOPLE AROUND FOR SUPERMAN TO SAVE/TELL TO RUN! DO PEOPLE NOT SEE THIS!?

F-king hell! It's like people saw a totally different movie....where Supes decimates skyscrapers and people by hurling his opponents into them and smiling about it...where Supes fights in a crowded street filled with people getting squashed left and right. He flew threw a gas station and got his ***** handed to him in an IHOP. Big freakin' deal! Its. A. Movie. Where is every *****ing about Batman killing innocents by blowing up their cars in TDK? Or probably killing the driver of the garbage truck? Or the possible death that could have occurred while he was flipping over cop cars in BB? What about The Avengers? Sure, Cap, Hawkeye and Black Widow are shown helping people, but Hulk, Iron Man, and Thor show no concern over the destruction. Iron Man is blasting beasts and aliens out of the sky, possibly crushing people. Hulk is rampaging through building with no regard for the people around him...have some perspective people.


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What people!!!!!! The last battle took place in the AFTERMATH of the World Engine. THERE WERE NO PEOPLE AROUND FOR SUPERMAN TO SAVE/TELL TO RUN! DO PEOPLE NOT SEE THIS!?

F-king hell! It's like people saw a totally different movie....where Supes decimates skyscrapers and people by hurling his opponents into them and smiling about it...where Supes fights in a crowded street filled with people getting squashed left and right. He flew threw a gas station and got his ***** handed to him in an IHOP. Big freakin' deal! Its. A. Movie. Where is every *****ing about Batman killing innocents by blowing up their cars in TDK? Or probably killing the driver of the garbage truck? Or the possible death that could have occurred while he was flipping over cop cars in BB? What about The Avengers? Sure, Cap, Hawkeye and Black Widow are shown helping people, but Hulk, Iron Man, and Thor show no concern over the destruction. Iron Man is blasting beasts and aliens out of the sky, possibly crushing people. Hulk is rampaging through building with no regard for the people around him...have some perspective people.
Y'know until you calm down and write legible posts it's all going to look like this.


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Y'know until you calm down and write legible posts it's all going to look like this.

Petty insults. Nice. At least I'm not one of those fans who whined and begged and pleaded for YEARS for a Superman film to let loose and show the full potential of these characters only to get that, and then whine about it.


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Petty insults. Nice. At least I'm not one of those fans who whined and begged and pleaded for YEARS for a Superman film to let loose and show the full potential of these characters only to get that, and then whine about it.
I didn't actually ask for anything of the sort. I asked for a good Superman film. I got a pretty good one, but it had flaws which I'm happily discussing with most people.

However, there's a few people as always who will go full on militant in their defense of the film and start losing their **** over criticisms of it. Oh well, that's the internet.

So that in mind I use the tools I have at my disposal to drive the point home at how absurdly intolerant people like you are at accepting people's opinions. Not as facts, but simply as those people's opinions.

Please move on from the hyperbole and caps so that a proper discussion can be had or you'll devolve into the likes of sf2 and his text speak phase of communication.

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But on the pecking order of his responsibilities I always thought it went:

1. Protecting the innocent
2. Fighting/Brawling

Was really surprised that this movie featured absolutely none of the luring away of the bad guy to keep them from harming the public. Supes to the fight to them IN public.
A relatively logical assumption is being made that this is Clark fresh off the farm so to speak so it's something he'll learn in time. It might even be something that gets put under the microscope early in the sequel when he fails to save the lives of people and takes the loss personally.

I'm looking forward to it with cautious optimism.

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Maybe I have a complete minunderstanding of the character that is Superman .....

But on the pecking order of his responsibilities I always thought it went:

1. Protecting the innocent
2. Fighting/Brawling

Was really surprised that this movie featured absolutely none of the luring away of the bad guy to keep them from harming the public. Supes took the fight to them IN public.


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Maybe I have a complete minunderstanding of the character that is Superman .....

But on the pecking order of his responsibilities I always thought it went:

1. Protecting the innocent
2. Fighting/Brawling

Was really surprised that this movie featured absolutely none of the luring away of the bad guy to keep them from harming the public. Supes to the fight to them IN public.
So they set up their big machine over Metropolis and start destroying the city, and you think Superman can just "lure them away" and they will willingly follow? If I were in their shoes, I would stay behind and think to myself "that was easier than I thought!" ;-)

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Maybe I have a complete minunderstanding of the character that is Superman .....

But on the pecking order of his responsibilities I always thought it went:

1. Protecting the innocent
2. Fighting/Brawling

Was really surprised that this movie featured absolutely none of the luring away of the bad guy to keep them from harming the public. Supes to the fight to them IN public.
He did save two military personnel during the Smallville fight. But the big blue boy scout was missing. Im sad that it wasnt in there for people to really enjoy.

I think most of the complaints about the film really stem from the audience not connecting with Superman. Most of the were entertained but many couldnt enjoy the film because they were too busy looking for the character they recognized, the Boy Scout. But he was not in there. And I hate that for the fans that love that side of Superman, that fell in love with that side of Superman. That was a deal breaker for many. No matter how excellent everything was that was a deal breaker. And I cant say that they're wrong.

Me, I loved the film. And for those like me, we saw a Superman we've never seen before. And we were waiting for this side of him to show up. Not so much how he handle Zod at the end but how he battled, how he flew, his heat vision. His power and ability was so breathtaking to see. And how Zack Snyder coordinated these fight scenes was masterful. And I loved the dialouge in between the fights. It was a nice way to break up the mayhem.

I've said alot, the sequel will make people appreciate today's MOS.


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Maybe I have a complete minunderstanding of the character that is Superman .....

But on the pecking order of his responsibilities I always thought it went:

1. Protecting the innocent
2. Fighting/Brawling

Was really surprised that this movie featured absolutely none of the luring away of the bad guy to keep them from harming the public. Supes took the fight to them IN public.
and then he takes the opportunity in ground zero to make out with his girlfriend.

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Was really surprised that this movie featured absolutely none of the luring away of the bad guy to keep them from harming the public. Supes took the fight to them IN public.
Actually, he rammed Zod and punched him for trying to kill his mother. Zod was at his mother's home, he did not take him there.

There was a terraforming ship located in the city. The Kryptonians were throwing Superman around the city. Sort of difficult to force them to stop destroying the Earth when they were doing it from the city, unless you ummm.....fight them off in the city.

Cutting to the chase, it wasn't a lot of destruction for saving the entire human race from getting killed.

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Maybe I have a complete minunderstanding of the character that is Superman .....

But on the pecking order of his responsibilities I always thought it went:

1. Protecting the innocent
2. Fighting/Brawling

Was really surprised that this movie featured absolutely none of the luring away of the bad guy to keep them from harming the public. Supes took the fight to them IN public.
You misunderstand Zod's goals. Zod's goal is to kill and destroy humans. His goal is not to defeat Superman per se. So if Superman tries to "lure" Zod away, Zod will just go on a killing spree.

Plus you ignore the fact that Superman put protecting the innocent first. He went after the World Engine as fast as he could. That saved billions of lives.

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Here's my two cents on the whole "Superman killed at the end of MOS" debate:

Superman killed another kryptonian, not a human. So big deal...

If Superman went around killing every HUMAN villain, then yes, that would be a scary thing, because all humans know Superman is unstopable (no human military or weapon can hurt him). But if Superman kills another Kryptonian, especially one who is out of control and trying to destroy the planet and can't be reasoned with, who cares if Superman kills him? They are on equal ground. It would be like if Jesus Christ killed Lucifer... both Biblical and "other-worldly" figures... but if Jesus came down to Earth and just started brutally killing all human criminals, then Jesus would be dark, gritty, and very frightening...

I think as long as Ka-El takes a stance against killing all humans, then his character's moral compass stays intact.

But if Superman kills Darkseid (another alien) or Brianiac (a machine)... who cares?

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Here's my two cents on the whole "Superman killed at the end of MOS" debate:

Superman killed another kryptonian, not a human. So big deal...

If Superman went around killing every HUMAN villain, then yes, that would be a scary thing, because all humans know Superman is unstopable (no human military or weapon can hurt him). But if Superman kills another Kryptonian, especially one who is out of control and trying to destroy the planet and can't be reasoned with, who cares if Superman kills him? They are on equal ground. It would be like if Jesus Christ killed Lucifer... both Biblical and "other-worldly" figures... but if Jesus came down to Earth and just started brutally killing all human criminals, then Jesus would be dark, gritty, and very frightening...

I think as long as Ka-El takes a stance against killing all humans, then his character's moral compass stays intact.

But if Superman kills Darkseid (another alien) or Brianiac (a machine)... who cares?
So you think the no killing rule shouldn't apply to other non humans? Say if supergirl turns evil or wonder woman, or most of the Green Lantern core..etc?

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