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Old 04-05-2016, 08:03 AM   #1
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For all of the armchair screenplay writers, I wanted to ask what you would have done differently re: the plot. The only thing I'd immediately do would be to scrap the Louis Lane investigation subplot. What would you do?

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More BATMAN vs SUPERMAN and less DAWN OF JUSTICE

Felt like to me that they squandered a potentially awesome movie all in order to rush to the Justice League as fast as possible, resulting in a highly overstuffed movie.

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Oh and Dear Snyder.

I asked for Lex Luthor, not the Riddler.

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The first thing that occurs to me is that IF I have studio directives to include Batman and WW, and to make this an intro to the JL, instead of just a MoS sequel, I DON'T use TDKR and DoS as the building blocks of my movie.

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I would have gone batman/superman instead of batman v superman. Once you decided the6 has to fight the movie really seemed forced to make it happen.

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Honestly, the best thing they could have done for this movie is:
A. Take out Batman altogether.
B. Re-cast Lex Luthor. He should be an "evil Bruce Wayne".
C. The secondary villain should be Bizarro, Luthor's attempt at cloning Superman.
D. The film needs to end with Luthor NOT going to jail.
E. More focus should be on the character of Superman/Clark Kent.

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I would have taken out Lex, Wonder Woman and Doomsday altogether. Give us a real Batman V Superman movie. There's enough going on with each character to keep a good story going. More time on Supes being at the Daily Planet and trying to balance his life with the weight of the world on his shoulders. Batman being Batman, the GA eats that up. Have them fight, multiple times with Bats getting his arse whooped the first time.

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How about lifting the right stuff from TDKR instead of just some cool visuals?

Superman as an agent of the government and status quo, Batman as an uncontrolled vigilante that needs to be supressed / dealt with once and for all. There's your conflict, based on their opposing ideologies.

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How about lifting the right stuff from TDKR instead of just some cool visuals?

Superman as an agent of the government and status quo, Batman as an uncontrolled vigilante that needs to be supressed / dealt with once and for all. There's your conflict, based on their opposing ideologies.
While I personally loved Batman v Superman, I could see your idea above working out quite well. They could have opened the film with Superman meeting the senate and discussing the events of Metropolis. The government could instill what it means to be a hero/consciousness of "casualties of war". It kind of brainwashes Superman into being the "boy scout" he's always been. Striving to do the right thing. (I do enjoy Snyder's take though. Even if it's not comic accurate, I felt it was more real/believabe. Like a Superman that would exist in our world. Someone struggling to do the right thing and be accepted amongst an inferior race.)

With everything Superman learns, that's why he has such a hard time accepting Batman because he essentially goes against our laws and order to an extent.

If that's kind of what you were going for, I dig it.

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It really is that simple. I'm amazed they mucked it up.

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How about lifting the right stuff from TDKR instead of just some cool visuals?

Superman as an agent of the government and status quo, Batman as an uncontrolled vigilante that needs to be supressed / dealt with once and for all. There's your conflict, based on their opposing ideologies.

You've been borderline-obsessive with your negative criticisms of the film and Snyder's version of Superman, and yet you actually suggest that they should have made Superman an agent of the government? That's probably one of the biggest fears people initially had about Superman in this movie when it became evident there were some level of TDKR influence going on, and one of the few fears some people had that actually DIDN'T come true for them.

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You've been borderline-obsessive with your negative criticisms of the film and Snyder's version of Superman, and yet you actually suggest that they should have made Superman an agent of the government? That's probably one of the biggest fears people initially had about Superman in this movie when it became evident there were some level of TDKR influence going on, and one of the few fears some people had that actually DIDN'T come true for them.
Yes. Absolutely. Because it makes sense to Superman's character.

...real Superman I mean, not Snyder's, obviously.

Superman is at heart a trusting, open person - brought up in a bucolic environment and taught by his loving parents to think the best of people. A man like that is ripe for manipulation from bad men ready to take advantage of that trust.

It's Superman's real weakness. Not the bloody kryptonite.

Batman was born in blood and death. His parents murder taught him to trust nothing in this world, other than yourself. To take control, rather than hand it to others.

There's your ideological conflict.

...And you call it borderline obsession, I call it seeing a terrible movie for what it is.

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...And you call it borderline obsession, I call it seeing a terrible movie for what it is.
Over 400 negative posts in 10 days, no you're definitly not obsessed.

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Superman as an agent of the government and status quo, Batman as an uncontrolled vigilante that needs to be supressed / dealt with once and for all. There's your conflict, based on their opposing ideologies.
Naaaaah bro, having Superman's mom get kidnapped is so much better lulz.

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Naaaaah bro, having Superman's mom get kidnapped is so much better lulz.

Actually it was IMO.

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For all of the armchair screenplay writers, I wanted to ask what you would have done differently re: the plot. The only thing I'd immediately do would be to scrap the Louis Lane investigation subplot. What would you do?
I would have taken everything out and started over.

As someone who wants to be a screenplay writer and taking classes in it, I would just start over. Maybe keep the first 10 minutes where it's the flashback to MOS but from Bruce's POV but that's it.

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Take out JL characters out of Batman and Superman. Make the movie about Batman & Superman's character differences & opposing views instead of manipulation of Lex. If Lex had to be involved more subtle make him using goverment & media to create more tention between two. No doomsday. Also no to weirdo Lex.

Simply a movie about Superman and Batman, why they are so different despite they are fighting for justice.

No african scenes, no mos references (except first scene maybe), no superman is killer plot, no alternate universes etc.

BvS is basically JL introduction forced with a weak story to justify Batman vs Superman and eventually sacrifice of Superman to form JL. Ugh.

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This is a long one, but here we go.

Open with death of Robin, Batman unmasks while cradling Robin's body, revealing his face. This is cross-cut with the death of Bruce Wayne's parents.
Title: Batman v Superman
Metropolis battle flashback from Bruce's POV

18 months later...

Superman is performing saves around the world after the Metropolis attack. He's a popular figure among the downtrodden and now the charming hero we expect him to be. As a gesture of peace, he has allowed the US government to keep the scout ship. The world still is unsure how to feel about him, so he's trying very hard to prove himself a savior.

He has a quiet life with Lois, but he's frustrated that his Superman persona is limited by geopolitics and his own fallibility, and cannot do more to help people. He can hear the cries every day of those he can't save, and this saddens him.

In Gotham, Batman has grown more ruthless since the rumored death of Robin at the hands of the Joker five years ago. We open with the warehouse action scene and a subsequent car cahse, and KGBeast is easily dispatched and branded, while many of his men are killed. Alfred warns Bruce in the Batcave that he no longer is what he used to be, implying that he enjoys hurting people now. Bruce argues back that his no-kill rule is what cost Robin his life.

We find Lex Luthor, jealous of Superman's power, convincing the government to give him access to the scout ship and the World Engine, and he finds Kryptonite. He contacts Bruce at a gala in Gotham. Bruce drops his playboy persona around him and Lex offers him some Kryptonite, which Bruce accepts later at Wayne Enterprises.

Back at Wayne Manor, Bruce analyzes the Kryptonite and Lex's data. Alfred seems disturbed by Bruce's obsession with Superman, but goes along with Bruce's plan to develop weapons that can stop him. Alfred asks Bruce if he's ever considered Superman may have a human persona, but Bruce rejects the notion and can only see Superman as inhuman.

Meanwhile, Clark catches wind of Batman's vigilantism and decides that if he can't do all he can as Superman, he should at least try to as Clark Kent. He and Lois venture to Gotham to expose Batman as a criminal. Clark visits GCPD, looks through old records, and discovers Batman's appearance coincides with Bruce Wayne's return to Gotham 20 years ago. He also finds out Batman's methods used to be less brutal. Lois focuses on Batman's high-tech gadgets and discovers Wayne Enterprises invested in projects like a powerful military car and a grappel gun that were eventually canned - and are used by Batman.

That night, some of Luthor's experimental drones are hacked in Gotham and turn on its citizens, forcing Superman and Batman to come to the city's rescue. Superman easily takes out some drones and does so while protecting people, while Batman brutally knocks them out of the sky with the Batwing, forcing Superman to stop the debris from hitting the city. The two of heroes angrily confront each other after the battle. Superman warns Batman to stop his cruelty or stop being a vigilante, and reveals he doesn't need X-ray vision to know he is Bruce Wayne; Batman warns Superman that his time will come and asks him if he bleeds. Superman flies back to Metropolis.

Clark and Lois are assigned to interview Luthor after the disaster. Luthor appears distraught over the incident, and disparages Superman's intervention as "reckless." Clark, visibly hurt by the comment, argues that Superman is here to do good and he wants to help people, but Luthor says humanity should not be lifted up by gods, that humanity should rise up on their own to be stronger. Clark leaves the interview bitter. A scene reveals Luthor has been tailing Clark for some time now and knows he is Superman.

Clark later confides in Lois that he's tired of being hurt by what people think of him. Lois suggests he hold a press conference and announce his intentions to the world. Then he flies off to save a girl from committing suicide, and we see he has to make a complete 180 and become the shoulder to lean on.

Meanwhile, Bruce finishes developing the Kryptonite weapons. Bruce gives Alfred his 1% speech and tells him he is going to save the world. Alfred reveals how much he despises what Bruce is becoming and leaves Wayne Manor. Bruce later leaves for another gala, which Clark is covering. Clark confronts Bruce, revealing his identity. Bruce is initially taken aback, but rejects Clark's humanity. Clark tells Bruce he won't let him hurt any more people; Bruce says the same.

Lex learns more about the ship and decides to create Doomsday as a fail-safe in case the upcoming battle does not go as planned. Mercy Graves asks him why he didn't use Doomsday first. Lex replies he wants humanity to make God bow.

Superman contacts the mayor of Metropolis and a press conference is later held at the Black Zero memorial (there is no Supes statue yet). Superman is suddenly weakened by a Kryptonite ray from an unknown source and his heat vision goes nuts, destroying part of the park and city. Clark thinks Bruce is behind it; Bruce thinks Clark attacked the city. Superman flies away. The city goes on high alert.

That night, Batman calls Superman to Gotham. Before going, Clark and Lois talk. Lois tells him not to go, that she doesn't think Bruce is behind it, and even if he is, Clark should go through the police instead. Clark refuses, telling her that Superman needs to prove himself, not be saved by others.

Lois frantically attempts to stop the fight.

Superman arrives, and both accuse the other of causing the disaster. The fight is vicious as both heroes tear through an abandoned part of Gotham. The fight ends when Superman restrains himself from crippling Batman, allowing Batman to gain the upper hand with the Kryptonite spear. Clark tells Bruce to tell Lois he loves her just as Lois bursts in from a DP helicopter. This stops Bruce from killing him, as he realizes he is becoming a murderer.

Superman and Batman both realize they are on the same side. They head back to the Batcave, where the three of them deduce that Lex is behind all this. The drones were used to bring them into conflict and he supplied the Kryptonite. Superman and Batman go to Lex at the scout ship, where he unleashes Doomsday. Superman and Batman lead Doomsday away from Metropolis and back to Gotham, where Superman kills Doomsday with the Kryptonite spear.

Back at LexCorp, Superman confronts Lex from outside his office. They discuss Superman's place in the world, and Superman parts telling Lex that he will always be watching. Lex rejects Superman's human identity as a sham. In the end, Lex is secretly horrified by what he has done in his attempt to destroy Superman.

In the aftermath, Superman and Batman are hailed as public heroes, and Clark finally feels satisfied with his heroism. A Supes statue is unveiled. Lex has blamed the incident on the Kryptonian technology and holdover genetic experiments, and suggested that the ship's technology was responsible for causing Superman's powers to go crazy. Bruce reunites with Alfred.

At the Kent Farm, Clark and Bruce decide to work together, and Clark urges they they assemble a league to solve the problems they alone cannot.

Closing title: Dawn of Justice

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I was actually thinking of this topic this AM at the gym. I had something similar to IncognitoWalrus, but his is way cooler than mine!

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Open with death of Robin, Batman unmasks while cradling Robin's body, revealing his face. This is cross-cut with the death of Bruce Wayne's parents.
Title: Batman v Superman
Metropolis battle flashback from Bruce's POV

18 months later...

Superman is performing saves around the world after the Metropolis attack. He's a popular figure among the downtrodden and now the charming hero we expect him to be. As a gesture of peace, he has allowed the US government to keep the scout ship. The world still is unsure how to feel about him, so he's trying very hard to prove himself a savior.

He has a quiet life with Lois, but he's frustrated that his Superman persona is limited by geopolitics and his own fallibility, and cannot do more to help people. He can hear the cries every day of those he can't save, and this saddens him.

In Gotham, Batman has grown more ruthless since the rumored death of Robin at the hands of the Joker five years ago. We open with the warehouse action scene and a subsequent car cahse, and KGBeast is easily dispatched and branded, while many of his men are killed. Alfred warns Bruce in the Batcave that he no longer is what he used to be, implying that he enjoys hurting people now. Bruce argues back that his no-kill rule is what cost Robin his life.

We find Lex Luthor, jealous of Superman's power, convincing the government to give him access to the scout ship and the World Engine, and he finds Kryptonite. He contacts Bruce at a gala in Gotham. Bruce drops his playboy persona around him and Lex offers him some Kryptonite, which Bruce accepts later at Wayne Enterprises.

Back at Wayne Manor, Bruce analyzes the Kryptonite and Lex's data. Alfred seems disturbed by Bruce's obsession with Superman, but goes along with Bruce's plan to develop weapons that can stop him. Alfred asks Bruce if he's ever considered Superman may have a human persona, but Bruce rejects the notion and can only see Superman as inhuman.

Meanwhile, Clark catches wind of Batman's vigilantism and decides that if he can't do all he can as Superman, he should at least try to as Clark Kent. He and Lois venture to Gotham to expose Batman as a criminal. Clark visits GCPD, looks through old records, and discovers Batman's appearance coincides with Bruce Wayne's return to Gotham 20 years ago. He also finds out Batman's methods used to be less brutal. Lois focuses on Batman's high-tech gadgets and discovers Wayne Enterprises invested in projects like a powerful military car and a grappel gun that were eventually canned - and are used by Batman.

That night, some of Luthor's experimental drones are hacked in Gotham and turn on its citizens, forcing Superman and Batman to come to the city's rescue. Superman easily takes out some drones and does so while protecting people, while Batman brutally knocks them out of the sky with the Batwing, forcing Superman to stop the debris from hitting the city. The two of heroes angrily confront each other after the battle. Superman warns Batman to stop his cruelty or stop being a vigilante, and reveals he doesn't need X-ray vision to know he is Bruce Wayne; Batman warns Superman that his time will come and asks him if he bleeds. Superman flies back to Metropolis.

Clark and Lois are assigned to interview Luthor after the disaster. Luthor appears distraught over the incident, and disparages Superman's intervention as "reckless." Clark, visibly hurt by the comment, argues that Superman is here to do good and he wants to help people, but Luthor says humanity should not be lifted up by gods, that humanity should rise up on their own to be stronger. Clark leaves the interview bitter. A scene reveals Luthor has been tailing Clark for some time now and knows he is Superman.

Clark later confides in Lois that he's tired of being hurt by what people think of him. Lois suggests he hold a press conference and announce his intentions to the world. Then he flies off to save a girl from committing suicide, and we see he has to make a complete 180 and become the shoulder to lean on.

Meanwhile, Bruce finishes developing the Kryptonite weapons. Bruce gives Alfred his 1% speech and tells him he is going to save the world. Alfred reveals how much he despises what Bruce is becoming and leaves Wayne Manor. Bruce later leaves for another gala, which Clark is covering. Clark confronts Bruce, revealing his identity. Bruce is initially taken aback, but rejects Clark's humanity. Clark tells Bruce he won't let him hurt any more people; Bruce says the same.

Lex learns more about the ship and decides to create Doomsday as a fail-safe in case the upcoming battle does not go as planned. Mercy Graves asks him why he didn't use Doomsday first. Lex replies he wants humanity to make God bow.

Superman contacts the mayor of Metropolis and a press conference is later held at the Black Zero memorial (there is no Supes statue yet). Superman is suddenly weakened by a Kryptonite ray from an unknown source and his heat vision goes nuts, destroying part of the park and city. Clark thinks Bruce is behind it; Bruce thinks Clark attacked the city. Superman flies away. The city goes on high alert.

That night, Batman calls Superman to Gotham. Before going, Clark and Lois talk. Lois tells him not to go, that she doesn't think Bruce is behind it, and even if he is, Clark should go through the police instead. Clark refuses, telling her that Superman needs to prove himself, not be saved by others.

Lois frantically attempts to stop the fight.

Superman arrives, and both accuse the other of causing the disaster. The fight is vicious as both heroes tear through an abandoned part of Gotham. The fight ends when Superman restrains himself from crippling Batman, allowing Batman to gain the upper hand with the Kryptonite spear. Clark tells Bruce to tell Lois he loves her just as Lois bursts in from a DP helicopter. This stops Bruce from killing him, as he realizes he is becoming a murderer.

Superman and Batman both realize they are on the same side. They head back to the Batcave, where the three of them deduce that Lex is behind all this. The drones were used to bring them into conflict and he supplied the Kryptonite. Superman and Batman go to Lex at the scout ship, where he unleashes Doomsday. Superman and Batman lead Doomsday away from Metropolis and back to Gotham, where Superman kills Doomsday with the Kryptonite spear.

Back at LexCorp, Superman confronts Lex from outside his office. They discuss Superman's place in the world, and Superman parts telling Lex that he will always be watching. Lex rejects Superman's human identity as a sham. In the end, Lex is secretly horrified by what he has done in his attempt to destroy Superman.

In the aftermath, Superman and Batman are hailed as public heroes, and Clark finally feels satisfied with his heroism. A Supes statue is unveiled. Lex has blamed the incident on the Kryptonian technology and holdover genetic experiments, and suggested that the ship's technology was responsible for causing Superman's powers to go crazy. Bruce reunites with Alfred.

At the Kent Farm, Clark and Bruce decide to work together, and Clark urges they they assemble a league to solve the problems they alone cannot.

Closing title: Dawn of Justice

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This is a long one, but here we go.

Open with death of Robin, Batman unmasks while cradling Robin's body, revealing his face. This is cross-cut with the death of Bruce Wayne's parents.
Title: Batman v Superman
Metropolis battle flashback from Bruce's POV

18 months later...

Superman is performing saves around the world after the Metropolis attack. He's a popular figure among the downtrodden and now the charming hero we expect him to be. As a gesture of peace, he has allowed the US government to keep the scout ship. The world still is unsure how to feel about him, so he's trying very hard to prove himself a savior.

He has a quiet life with Lois, but he's frustrated that his Superman persona is limited by geopolitics and his own fallibility, and cannot do more to help people. He can hear the cries every day of those he can't save, and this saddens him.

In Gotham, Batman has grown more ruthless since the rumored death of Robin at the hands of the Joker five years ago. We open with the warehouse action scene and a subsequent car cahse, and KGBeast is easily dispatched and branded, while many of his men are killed. Alfred warns Bruce in the Batcave that he no longer is what he used to be, implying that he enjoys hurting people now. Bruce argues back that his no-kill rule is what cost Robin his life.

We find Lex Luthor, jealous of Superman's power, convincing the government to give him access to the scout ship and the World Engine, and he finds Kryptonite. He contacts Bruce at a gala in Gotham. Bruce drops his playboy persona around him and Lex offers him some Kryptonite, which Bruce accepts later at Wayne Enterprises.

Back at Wayne Manor, Bruce analyzes the Kryptonite and Lex's data. Alfred seems disturbed by Bruce's obsession with Superman, but goes along with Bruce's plan to develop weapons that can stop him. Alfred asks Bruce if he's ever considered Superman may have a human persona, but Bruce rejects the notion and can only see Superman as inhuman.

Meanwhile, Clark catches wind of Batman's vigilantism and decides that if he can't do all he can as Superman, he should at least try to as Clark Kent. He and Lois venture to Gotham to expose Batman as a criminal. Clark visits GCPD, looks through old records, and discovers Batman's appearance coincides with Bruce Wayne's return to Gotham 20 years ago. He also finds out Batman's methods used to be less brutal. Lois focuses on Batman's high-tech gadgets and discovers Wayne Enterprises invested in projects like a powerful military car and a grappel gun that were eventually canned - and are used by Batman.

That night, some of Luthor's experimental drones are hacked in Gotham and turn on its citizens, forcing Superman and Batman to come to the city's rescue. Superman easily takes out some drones and does so while protecting people, while Batman brutally knocks them out of the sky with the Batwing, forcing Superman to stop the debris from hitting the city. The two of heroes angrily confront each other after the battle. Superman warns Batman to stop his cruelty or stop being a vigilante, and reveals he doesn't need X-ray vision to know he is Bruce Wayne; Batman warns Superman that his time will come and asks him if he bleeds. Superman flies back to Metropolis.

Clark and Lois are assigned to interview Luthor after the disaster. Luthor appears distraught over the incident, and disparages Superman's intervention as "reckless." Clark, visibly hurt by the comment, argues that Superman is here to do good and he wants to help people, but Luthor says humanity should not be lifted up by gods, that humanity should rise up on their own to be stronger. Clark leaves the interview bitter. A scene reveals Luthor has been tailing Clark for some time now and knows he is Superman.

Clark later confides in Lois that he's tired of being hurt by what people think of him. Lois suggests he hold a press conference and announce his intentions to the world. Then he flies off to save a girl from committing suicide, and we see he has to make a complete 180 and become the shoulder to lean on.

Meanwhile, Bruce finishes developing the Kryptonite weapons. Bruce gives Alfred his 1% speech and tells him he is going to save the world. Alfred reveals how much he despises what Bruce is becoming and leaves Wayne Manor. Bruce later leaves for another gala, which Clark is covering. Clark confronts Bruce, revealing his identity. Bruce is initially taken aback, but rejects Clark's humanity. Clark tells Bruce he won't let him hurt any more people; Bruce says the same.

Lex learns more about the ship and decides to create Doomsday as a fail-safe in case the upcoming battle does not go as planned. Mercy Graves asks him why he didn't use Doomsday first. Lex replies he wants humanity to make God bow.

Superman contacts the mayor of Metropolis and a press conference is later held at the Black Zero memorial (there is no Supes statue yet). Superman is suddenly weakened by a Kryptonite ray from an unknown source and his heat vision goes nuts, destroying part of the park and city. Clark thinks Bruce is behind it; Bruce thinks Clark attacked the city. Superman flies away. The city goes on high alert.

That night, Batman calls Superman to Gotham. Before going, Clark and Lois talk. Lois tells him not to go, that she doesn't think Bruce is behind it, and even if he is, Clark should go through the police instead. Clark refuses, telling her that Superman needs to prove himself, not be saved by others.

Lois frantically attempts to stop the fight.

Superman arrives, and both accuse the other of causing the disaster. The fight is vicious as both heroes tear through an abandoned part of Gotham. The fight ends when Superman restrains himself from crippling Batman, allowing Batman to gain the upper hand with the Kryptonite spear. Clark tells Bruce to tell Lois he loves her just as Lois bursts in from a DP helicopter. This stops Bruce from killing him, as he realizes he is becoming a murderer.

Superman and Batman both realize they are on the same side. They head back to the Batcave, where the three of them deduce that Lex is behind all this. The drones were used to bring them into conflict and he supplied the Kryptonite. Superman and Batman go to Lex at the scout ship, where he unleashes Doomsday. Superman and Batman lead Doomsday away from Metropolis and back to Gotham, where Superman kills Doomsday with the Kryptonite spear.

Back at LexCorp, Superman confronts Lex from outside his office. They discuss Superman's place in the world, and Superman parts telling Lex that he will always be watching. Lex rejects Superman's human identity as a sham. In the end, Lex is secretly horrified by what he has done in his attempt to destroy Superman.

In the aftermath, Superman and Batman are hailed as public heroes, and Clark finally feels satisfied with his heroism. A Supes statue is unveiled. Lex has blamed the incident on the Kryptonian technology and holdover genetic experiments, and suggested that the ship's technology was responsible for causing Superman's powers to go crazy. Bruce reunites with Alfred.

At the Kent Farm, Clark and Bruce decide to work together, and Clark urges they they assemble a league to solve the problems they alone cannot.

Closing title: Dawn of Justice

This would definitely have been a big improvement!

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This is a long one, but here we go.

Open with death of Robin, Batman unmasks while cradling Robin's body, revealing his face. This is cross-cut with the death of Bruce Wayne's parents.
Title: Batman v Superman
Metropolis battle flashback from Bruce's POV

18 months later...

Superman is performing saves around the world after the Metropolis attack. He's a popular figure among the downtrodden and now the charming hero we expect him to be. As a gesture of peace, he has allowed the US government to keep the scout ship. The world still is unsure how to feel about him, so he's trying very hard to prove himself a savior.

He has a quiet life with Lois, but he's frustrated that his Superman persona is limited by geopolitics and his own fallibility, and cannot do more to help people. He can hear the cries every day of those he can't save, and this saddens him.

In Gotham, Batman has grown more ruthless since the rumored death of Robin at the hands of the Joker five years ago. We open with the warehouse action scene and a subsequent car cahse, and KGBeast is easily dispatched and branded, while many of his men are killed. Alfred warns Bruce in the Batcave that he no longer is what he used to be, implying that he enjoys hurting people now. Bruce argues back that his no-kill rule is what cost Robin his life.

We find Lex Luthor, jealous of Superman's power, convincing the government to give him access to the scout ship and the World Engine, and he finds Kryptonite. He contacts Bruce at a gala in Gotham. Bruce drops his playboy persona around him and Lex offers him some Kryptonite, which Bruce accepts later at Wayne Enterprises.

Back at Wayne Manor, Bruce analyzes the Kryptonite and Lex's data. Alfred seems disturbed by Bruce's obsession with Superman, but goes along with Bruce's plan to develop weapons that can stop him. Alfred asks Bruce if he's ever considered Superman may have a human persona, but Bruce rejects the notion and can only see Superman as inhuman.

Meanwhile, Clark catches wind of Batman's vigilantism and decides that if he can't do all he can as Superman, he should at least try to as Clark Kent. He and Lois venture to Gotham to expose Batman as a criminal. Clark visits GCPD, looks through old records, and discovers Batman's appearance coincides with Bruce Wayne's return to Gotham 20 years ago. He also finds out Batman's methods used to be less brutal. Lois focuses on Batman's high-tech gadgets and discovers Wayne Enterprises invested in projects like a powerful military car and a grappel gun that were eventually canned - and are used by Batman.

That night, some of Luthor's experimental drones are hacked in Gotham and turn on its citizens, forcing Superman and Batman to come to the city's rescue. Superman easily takes out some drones and does so while protecting people, while Batman brutally knocks them out of the sky with the Batwing, forcing Superman to stop the debris from hitting the city. The two of heroes angrily confront each other after the battle. Superman warns Batman to stop his cruelty or stop being a vigilante, and reveals he doesn't need X-ray vision to know he is Bruce Wayne; Batman warns Superman that his time will come and asks him if he bleeds. Superman flies back to Metropolis.

Clark and Lois are assigned to interview Luthor after the disaster. Luthor appears distraught over the incident, and disparages Superman's intervention as "reckless." Clark, visibly hurt by the comment, argues that Superman is here to do good and he wants to help people, but Luthor says humanity should not be lifted up by gods, that humanity should rise up on their own to be stronger. Clark leaves the interview bitter. A scene reveals Luthor has been tailing Clark for some time now and knows he is Superman.

Clark later confides in Lois that he's tired of being hurt by what people think of him. Lois suggests he hold a press conference and announce his intentions to the world. Then he flies off to save a girl from committing suicide, and we see he has to make a complete 180 and become the shoulder to lean on.

Meanwhile, Bruce finishes developing the Kryptonite weapons. Bruce gives Alfred his 1% speech and tells him he is going to save the world. Alfred reveals how much he despises what Bruce is becoming and leaves Wayne Manor. Bruce later leaves for another gala, which Clark is covering. Clark confronts Bruce, revealing his identity. Bruce is initially taken aback, but rejects Clark's humanity. Clark tells Bruce he won't let him hurt any more people; Bruce says the same.

Lex learns more about the ship and decides to create Doomsday as a fail-safe in case the upcoming battle does not go as planned. Mercy Graves asks him why he didn't use Doomsday first. Lex replies he wants humanity to make God bow.

Superman contacts the mayor of Metropolis and a press conference is later held at the Black Zero memorial (there is no Supes statue yet). Superman is suddenly weakened by a Kryptonite ray from an unknown source and his heat vision goes nuts, destroying part of the park and city. Clark thinks Bruce is behind it; Bruce thinks Clark attacked the city. Superman flies away. The city goes on high alert.

That night, Batman calls Superman to Gotham. Before going, Clark and Lois talk. Lois tells him not to go, that she doesn't think Bruce is behind it, and even if he is, Clark should go through the police instead. Clark refuses, telling her that Superman needs to prove himself, not be saved by others.

Lois frantically attempts to stop the fight.

Superman arrives, and both accuse the other of causing the disaster. The fight is vicious as both heroes tear through an abandoned part of Gotham. The fight ends when Superman restrains himself from crippling Batman, allowing Batman to gain the upper hand with the Kryptonite spear. Clark tells Bruce to tell Lois he loves her just as Lois bursts in from a DP helicopter. This stops Bruce from killing him, as he realizes he is becoming a murderer.

Superman and Batman both realize they are on the same side. They head back to the Batcave, where the three of them deduce that Lex is behind all this. The drones were used to bring them into conflict and he supplied the Kryptonite. Superman and Batman go to Lex at the scout ship, where he unleashes Doomsday. Superman and Batman lead Doomsday away from Metropolis and back to Gotham, where Superman kills Doomsday with the Kryptonite spear.

Back at LexCorp, Superman confronts Lex from outside his office. They discuss Superman's place in the world, and Superman parts telling Lex that he will always be watching. Lex rejects Superman's human identity as a sham. In the end, Lex is secretly horrified by what he has done in his attempt to destroy Superman.

In the aftermath, Superman and Batman are hailed as public heroes, and Clark finally feels satisfied with his heroism. A Supes statue is unveiled. Lex has blamed the incident on the Kryptonian technology and holdover genetic experiments, and suggested that the ship's technology was responsible for causing Superman's powers to go crazy. Bruce reunites with Alfred.

At the Kent Farm, Clark and Bruce decide to work together, and Clark urges they they assemble a league to solve the problems they alone cannot.

Closing title: Dawn of Justice
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Couple of extremely random thoughts.

- Take out the Justice League teasers. Wonder Woman included.
- Have more emphasis on the good that Superman does. Not just that he's saving people, but allow the audience some opportunities to see him being heroic without being bogged down by controversy. Show his down-to-earth nature. He doesn't think himself above these people, so show him interacting with them on a human level. Show them that he's not so different. Put Cavill's charm and humor to better use. And after being Superman for two years, he should be more resolved in what he's doing. Someone like him is going to face animosity and skepticism. He should have the emotional strength and moral fortitude to press on against it.
- Change Luthor's characterization so he's not some spastic weirdo with a daddy complex.
- I'd reduce Batman to more of a supporting role. i don't mind him having an existential crisis, and I don't mind him harboring some resentment towards Superman, but I'd definitely refrain from showing Batman as someone who had been pushed to torturing and murdering people.
- Drop Doomsday altogether. In the wake of Superman's arrival, Wayne Enterprises and LexCorp partner up on a new program to defend the world against metahumans: OMAC. Things go haywire in the end when the program's first test subjects are driven mad with power. The purpose here is to demonstrate what happens when humans are given God-like powers. They get drunk off the power. Superman, meanwhile, maintains his humanity, humility, and empathy despite his powers.
- I honestly would drop the Batman versus Superman angle altogether. You could show Batman planning some type of contingency against Superman throughout the film, conducting his own investigations into him while Luthor's attempts to destroy him in the media, but he has a change of heart when he witnesses Superman do something that hits close to home (Superman talking down a suicidal teenager).
- After turning public support mostly against Superman, Lex shoots him with a Kryptonite bullet and has his men dump his dying body beneath his statue in Heroes Park. Batman, having seen Superman save the young girl's life earlier, swoops in and saves him.
- While Alfred attends to Superman's wounds, Batman investigates LexCorp. He is attacked by the OMAC test subjects. Superman, after regains consciousness and flies to help Batman (despite Alfred's objections). Have Superman save Batman's life against the OMACs.
- While Superman deals with the OMACs, Batman tracks down Luthor (who is, of course, holed up somewhere with plenty of security).
- Superman defeats the OMACs (for the world to see), and Batman brings down Luthor. Superman and Luthor share a moment where their arch rivalry is all but solidified, before Luthor is taken into custody by the police.
- Once the OMACs and Luthor are defeated, Bruce catches Clark outside the Daily Planet and tells him to get in his car. He tells Alfred to drive to an undisclosed location. While in the car, Bruce and Clark discuss their ideologies and what they stand for. Bruce concedes in the end that he was wrong about Superman. Clark, in turn, confides in Bruce that it is difficult having so many people against you, but that he will not let it dishearten him. "We don't always deal in absolutes," says Bruce. "Sometimes you have to take the small victories." They arrive at a diner and Bruce tells him to have a cup of coffee. Bruce and Alfred drive off. Clark goes inside and sits down. The television is on a news station that is in the middle of a heated argument about Superman. Clark tries not to let it get to him, when a woman asks him if he's been helped yet. It's the suicidal teenager he had helped earlier, and after a moment she recognizes him. Cue Henry Cavill's boyish grin.
- I really would have tried to make this more of a Superman movie with Batman in a supporting role.
Christ, both of these are so dope. Just a real bummer that we didn't get anything like these

The only thing I don't really like is how Luthor knows Supes is Clark. I know the whole concept of Clark Kent is shaky (unless you set it up right like in Superman: Birthright) and Lex is the smartest guy around but I still like Lex not knowing. Hell I like Lois not knowing at the beginning but they threw that out the window

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I know some people don't like Max Landis, but he seriously had one of the best ideas for a sequel to MOS that I ever came across. Granted it's not perfect, but it's a very solid pitch that had potential for some epic scenes. His pitch, which he came up with basically on the spot, is here...



If you don't want to watch it, here's the rundown...

...following the events of MOS, Superman is a controversial figure. After all, his first appearance to the world was when Zod arrived. Clark has been working at the Daily Planet for a while but considers giving up his city life, along with being Superman, to move back to the farm with his mom, but he's suddenly sent on one last assignment...to interview Lex Luthor. During the interview Lex uses his intelligence, personality and charisma to get Clark to trust him. He then reveals that he knows that Clark is Superman and that he wants to help him repair Superman's image by being his international eyes and ears, giving him intel on major crisis so Superman can save people and stop disastrous events. In essence, Luthor is sponsoring Superman but in return Luthor, in the guise of bettering humanity, needs favors from Superman such as repairing facilities. So then we get to see Superman doing Superman-type things like saving people and preventing disasters and the collective consciousness starts to look favorably upon Superman.

That's when Clark gets a visit in his apartment from a mysterious figure. This figure tries to convince Clark that he can't trust Lex because he has bigger plans and bad intentions. Clark realizes this figure is the infamous Batman from Gotham. Batman tries to persuade Clark to work for him, instead of Luthor, in order to unify the world's greatest heroes, but to no avail.

Luthor then convinces Superman that the other metahumans, demigods, and aliens are scary and a threat to mankind saying things like "This flash of red has powers that are out of control. This woman is a serial killer. It's a wonder she hasn't been caught yet. This bow and arrow guy is another vigilante. And this martian is a monstrous manhunter." So with strategic and tactical help from Lex Luthor, Superman hunts and captures all of them. He then reveals to Superman that what he's created by capturing everyone is a sovereign force more powerful than any on Earth. This team can take down an army. No nation in the world can stand against them. Essentially Lex can rule the world. Red flags start appearing to Superman, but Lex tells Superman his next job is to take out Batman.

Torn between his loyalty to Lex (he DID help Superman repair his international image) and his new found skepticism, he reluctantly confronts Batman but ends up joining him and going rogue. Superman realizes that he can't physically or lawfully go head to head with Lex and that what he needs to do is to free those that he captured. Him and Batman stage a jailbreak to free the prisoners. This prompts Lex to send his Luthor droids to combat the prisoners. Superman takes command and shouts out orders and tactics to the freed prisoners in order to minimize civilian casualties and property damage. Superman pinpoints one Luthor droid and rips it open. Lex is in it. "What are you doing? You can't kill me! You destroyed half the city...." but in reality, thanks to Superman's leadership, Metropolis is almost unharmed. Superman taps Luthor on his head, knocking him out. The Justice League has now been formed.

Not a fan of Landis's pitch. A good idea though is Lex tricking Supes by claiming to help his public image.

A thing I really liked in IncognitoWalrus's pitch is that Lex is free at the end. I dont think Lex shouldve gone to jail this early in the game.

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A thing I really liked in IncognitoWalrus's pitch is that Lex is free at the end. I dont think Lex shouldve gone to jail this early in the game.
Thanks Blackman!

I think the first fight between Superman and Lex should be a moral battle as well and Superman should emerge a moral victor, rather than defeating Lex completely.

I didn't say in my pitch, but I envision Lex erasing all the evidence of his handiwork inside the ship before heading back to LexCorp, ensuring Superman and Batman don't have anything to pin on him by the time the Doomsday battle is over. In their conversation, Superman also tells Lex he will tell the Metropolis police, but Lex tells him all the evidence is gone. This would lead into Lex telling Superman why he did what he did. They would part with these last words to each other:

Lex: You haven't won. Not today.
Superman: No, I haven't. But one day I will. One day, I will save you.

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Christ, both of these are so dope. Just a real bummer that we didn't get anything like these

The only thing I don't really like is how Luthor knows Supes is Clark. I know the whole concept of Clark Kent is shaky (unless you set it up right like in Superman: Birthright) and Lex is the smartest guy around but I still like Lex not knowing. Hell I like Lois not knowing at the beginning but they threw that out the window



Not a fan of Landis's pitch. A good idea though is Lex tricking Supes by claiming to help his public image.

A thing I really liked in IncognitoWalrus's pitch is that Lex is free at the end. I dont think Lex shouldve gone to jail this early in the game.
Landis pitch is f****** horrible. What Superman is going to go capture meta humans as a favour to good guy Lex? Superman would go to Flash and talk to him and that'd be that.

And how exactly does this movie go from there. Superman picks up Lex and puts him in jail, end of movie.

Landis can go and ***** the ***** with his ********

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-Show Batman and Superman (Clark and Bruce) interacting more.
-I honestly wouldve gone the Public Enemies route and adapted a lot from that.
-No Dawn of Justice stuff
-Wouldve slowed the Lois/Clark love story down A LOT (bums me out how much they're messing it up)
-Not really a plot point but I wouldve recast Eisenberg

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