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I don't want to make it sound I hated things about it, because I really didn't. Mostly, I felt it tried to pack too much in and ended up feeling both rushed and to condensed in a lot of areas. Unlike some who feel that it could have benefited from another 15-20 minutes I felt it could have had more trimming of characters and story elements in writing to give what was left it more breathing room. And it also seemed so intent on 'wrapping up' so neatly that it felt a bit too obliged to keep moving briskly along when it could have then a bit more time to spread its wings in some areas. It didn't make it a bad movie, per se, but there was a sense of a certain 'magic' from the previous two wearing off and that it was just enough time for it to get out with its head still held high....some of which can naturally happen to any third movie after really defining itself over the previous two. And some of the things that we kind of 'let slide' in the other movies like the surplus of verbalized exposition and such started to finally get more burdensome.
Basically, a 7.5/10 for me, with BB being a. 8.5 and TDk a 9-9.5/10. But again, not a bad movie, and it did its job quite well in putting a bow on this series. So I certainly wouldn't NOT recommend anyone seeing it, whereas other movies that I do actually find bad I would strongly suggest against unless it was just killing time on Netflix.
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Not a bad movie. Thus I think TDKR escaped the Third Act Curse.
Has any other CBM done it? Did Nolan save CBMs in yet another way?! <3 :hope:
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There is no curse. There is good and bad filmmaking.
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First off, I think there's been some misconception as to my meaning. When I refer to the "Third Act Curse", I do not mean that by some supernatural means all third films are inherently predestined to suck/do badly. I am referring to a PATTERN that has existed for quite some time, unbroken until, ironically, now.
I do feel that Rises has escaped this pattern. While not without its faults, it is overall both the best third act of the genre thus far AND the best of the trilogy. While I wasn't crazy about the ending, HATED the costumes and Bane's voice I personally found off-putting,* it avoided the common pitfalls of the likes of Spider-Man 3 and X3, and the general good points of the movie greatly outweighed the bad. All in all, I do feel that it's a worthwhile film and the second-best movie I've seen this year. And that's saying a LOT. *Don't be offended-this is all my opinion. Ain't nothin' that I'm sayin' law.
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See I don't even consider the Nolan trilogy to be comic book movies. I see it more as action/crime dramas staring comic book characters, opposed to an actual comic book movie, that really really embraces the source material, like avengers did.
Though this was a good movie, not as good as the Dark Knight, and not as good as BB, but it certainly didn't get caught up in the Third Movie Curse. Spiderman 3 |
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I never really bought into the 3rd film curse business.Most of my favorate films are 3rd acts.Jedi is my all time favorite.Last Crusade,Army of Darkness,Return of the king-all strong films.
In the comic genre it's a bit closer,but I like S-M3 better than 2,X3 almost as much as X2 and personally,I think Batman Forever was the best of the 90's Batfilms. Having said that,ironically I think TDKR is the weakest of the trilogy.But it's still a great movie. |
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I guess I feel a bit disappointed as I was hoping for something even better than TDK for the conclusion, and for me it did not occur.
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Exactly.
There are a few great "3rd act films", but most of those are in no way great. Last Crusade Jedi Return Of the King At Worlds End Back to the Future And... TDKR Last edited by Alex Logan; 09-07-2012 at 09:07 AM. |
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I never had much anticipation for any of Nolan's Batfilms simply because I believe in the director and he's never failed me(except for Insomnia, sadly), and since I didn't expect much, I came out of the midnight showing loving TDKR. To me, TDKR is the best of the trilogy, but to each their own. Plus...as a CBM, TDKR does indeed break the curse. Spider-Man 3, X-Men: The Last Stand, Batman Forever, Blade: Trinity, Superman III, whichever ones I forget...please. They can't hold a candle, let alone a matchstick, to The Dark Knight Rises. |
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I don't get the hate for Spider-man 3 in the first place,but the same objections for that film can be found in TDKR:
The villain's being "reinterpreted" somewhat differently from the comic A new "love interest" being hastily thrown at the hero (Miranda/Gwen) A last act reworking of a villain's origin (Sandman/Ra's) The main objective being the same in all three films (Save MJ....again/Save Gotham from a terrorist attack...again) The Butler making an important revelation that he should have made several years earlier. There are probably others that I'm forgetting,but my point is not to say TDKR is awful,but that SM 3 isn't any more flawed than TDKR. |
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Sandman was given a motivation.Since he was a simple thug in the comics,it was needed.The real comparison is not with Bane but with Talia,who is given a completely different motivation than the comics.(Revenge in honor of a dead father whom she hated?)
"Miranda wasn't even much of a love interest to begin with." My point exactly. ![]() Ra's flashback-story seemed as hastily conceived as Sandman killing Uncle Ben.You can't tell me either was planned from the beginning in either case. Spider-Man did save the city in S-M 2 I'll concede TDKR Butler scene is better executed (Thanks in large part to Caine) but it's still pretty stupid.Didn't Alfred think Bruce would become more withdrawn thinking his true love died wanting to be with him? I really don't want to be in a place of "bashing" the film,as I enjoyed it very much (I gave it 9/10 on the Rate poll),and if it's your favorite of the 3,that's fine.(I like Spidey 3 more than 2.Does that make it a "better" film?Nope.I just enjoy it more.) But people who want to wave the banner of "1st perfect trilogy!" and "1st flawless 3rd act!" are either seeing it through rose tinted glasses or have clearly seen a different movie than most of us. Last edited by Human Torch; 09-09-2012 at 04:23 PM. |
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You're right. The only problem with most of those is that the director changed and they choose to go in a different direction. Spider-Man 3 is the only exception to that rule. I also never really liked the Blade or X-Men films so those were a total wash anyway. |
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Comparing his motivation to Taila's just doesn't make sense because it's too much of a stretch. Taila's motivations in the comics are all over the place. Sometimes she chooses Batman, sometimes she chooses her father, but Batman never had anything to do with Ra's death in the comcs. In fact, Taila herself had a hand in killing her own father not that long ago. So who knows what she would do if Batman had accidently killed her father. Quote:
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