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Old 07-24-2013, 05:23 PM   #651
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Couldn't Bucky sounding different be him having a Russian accent?
I wonder how good SS's Russian accent is...

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I put up a link to the Empire interview with Feige on the A2 board, but in it, he was asked about Ultron and he made a point of emphasizing that it was Tony's mask who turned into Ultron.
....Yes, and as I (vocally) discussed the issue there the other day, that does *not* "prove" that Tony Stark creates Ultron. Correlation does not imply causation.

Yes, Iron Man's mask turns into Ultron. That doesn't make Tony Stark its creator. Ultron took over Iron Man in a famous recent story arc (the post-CW Mighty Avengers), but obviously that didn't mean Tony Stark created him.

Look, at this point, I'm willing to bet you and Dent anything you care to lose that Tony Stark does *not* create Ultron. And that the imagery from the teaser, in fact, *does* imply a callback to Mighty Avengers. Ultron will *take over* Iron Man.

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....Yes, and as I (vocally) discussed the issue there the other day, that does *not* "prove" that Tony Stark creates Ultron. Correlation does not imply causation.

Yes, Iron Man's mask turns into Ultron. That doesn't make Tony Stark its creator. Ultron took over Iron Man in a famous recent story arc (the post-CW Mighty Avengers), but obviously that didn't mean Tony Stark created him.

Look, at this point, I'm willing to bet you and Dent anything you care to lose that Tony Stark does *not* create Ultron. And that the imagery from the teaser, in fact, *does* imply a callback to Mighty Avengers. Ultron will *take over* Iron Man.
I don't understand how you can be so confident considering we know almost nothing about the story besides that Ultron will be in it. We don't know if Stark is the creator, or if Ultron takes over Iron Man. Everything is just speculation.

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I don't understand how you can be so confident considering we know almost nothing about the story besides that Ultron will be in it. We don't know if Stark is the creator, or if Ultron takes over Iron Man. Everything is just speculation.
Ironically he was confident that Ant-Man would be in AoU.

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It would be cool if he did have an eerie voice. No asthma though
He should sound like Elmer Fudd trapped in a can of beans.




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Yeah theres no evidence at this point that Stark creates, or even has a hand in creating, Ultron. Whedon has multiple options, including scenarios that no one has thought of yet because they're totally original (not inspired by the comics).

The bottom line is we have no idea at this point. And that's a good thing!

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It's funny how people originally thought that this would be the movie that ends Marvel's streak, but now people think it may be Marvel's "The Dark Knight"
IMHO more like Robert Redford's political movies w/a dash of 007.

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From all the interviews I read I am thoroughly impressed. What I once thought might be the black sheep of phase 2 might turn out to be its Golden Goose!
Funny all MCU coming out,the weakest could be A2 (along the Antman movie,which won't surprise some people much).

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The weakest could be any of them.

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"'Alexander Pierce' is really Red Skull" is a popular theory going around fan circles on this movie. I've always maintained that the timeline on such a theory would be out of whack, and that it just doesn't make any sense that Red Skull would have returned from his Cosmic Cube sometime between 1945 and present to begin infiltrating SHIELD higher echelons.

That being said: maybe Pierce *is* Red Skull.

Just not Johan Schmidt.

Consider Crossbones' origin story. We know from Grillo's interviews that Rumlow most likely won't don the Crossbones identity/costume in this movie, but a later one. So maybe, god help us, we should actually consult the comics for inspiration.

How did Crossbones become Crossbones? A *fake* Red Skull, Albert Malik, sent him to infiltrate Arnim Zola's stronghold. (Malik was a Soviet who had adapted Skull's persona in the height of the Cold War. ) Once Rumlow got to Zola's place, he encountered the *real* Red Skull (Schmidt), who had returned from the past and was impressed enough with his skills to hire him as a lieutenant, and gave him his nickname.

So....maybe Pierce is Malik. He sends Rumlow to Zola's, only to find that Zola is using Sleeper robots to somehow bring the *real* Red Skull back. There's your ending to CATWS.
I never understood that theory since he's been a low level S.H.I.E.L.D. agent after the fall of S.H.I.E.L.D. from corrupted LMD's.

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Interesting.

Zola gets his hands on some Stark tech, combined with what he was already working on with the MODOK stuff.
....or Kang or Professor Phineas T. Horton

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Funny all MCU coming out,the weakest could be A2 (along the Antman movie,which won't surprise some people much).
That is extremely unlikely.

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IMHO more like Robert Redford's political movies w/a dash of 007.
I think they just meant Marvel's most critically acclaimed movie. Like TDK is the most critically acclaimed movie in the trilogy. Not that CA 2 is like TDK.

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Yeah theres no evidence at this point that Stark creates, or even has a hand in creating, Ultron. Whedon has multiple options, including scenarios that no one has thought of yet because they're totally original (not inspired by the comics).

The bottom line is we have no idea at this point. And that's a good thing!
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....Yes, and as I (vocally) discussed the issue there the other day, that does *not* "prove" that Tony Stark creates Ultron. Correlation does not imply causation.

Yes, Iron Man's mask turns into Ultron. That doesn't make Tony Stark its creator. Ultron took over Iron Man in a famous recent story arc (the post-CW Mighty Avengers), but obviously that didn't mean Tony Stark created him.

Look, at this point, I'm willing to bet you and Dent anything you care to lose that Tony Stark does *not* create Ultron. And that the imagery from the teaser, in fact, *does* imply a callback to Mighty Avengers. Ultron will *take over* Iron Man.
Did you guys watch the video? I'm aware that any number of possibilities are in play here, but the way Feige answered that question, it seemed clear what he was implying.

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Maybe a russian accent? who knows

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Did you guys watch the video? I'm aware that any number of possibilities are in play here, but the way Feige answered that question, it seemed clear what he was implying.
Based on that, and Joss' comments "You don't need A Pym to create AN Ultron", I got out of it that stark does, or plays a role in building Ultron's body.

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What is with the complete lack of red? Especially with the shield.

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^That's the SHIELD suit that he wears early on in the movie.

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What is with the complete lack of red? Especially with the shield.
The Russos said his shield is like that due him being a SHIELD operative and going on stealth missions. It would make sense once seen in the context of the film.

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What is with the complete lack of red? Especially with the shield.
Red isn't edgy enough.

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It all makes sense now. They painted the red parts of the shield silver for stealth. The photo above shows the silver coating coming off, exposing the red colour.

Who guessed right?

Of course I could be totally wrong, but this seems very likely.

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Great interview w/the custom designer.


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I'll be honest the poster looks like silver rather than blue like in the con display so not sure I totally buy that.

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Great interview w/the custom designer.

Nice! Sounds like Crossbones will get most of his suit, at least.

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